New Hampshire vs Alaska

Stick with New Hampshire

5 (20%)

Move to Alaska

15 (60%)

Give up and enjoy the welfare state

5 (20%)

Total Members Voted: 13

[money dollars]

clouds?

IIRC
Average winter temp 70
Average summer temp 80

http://jamaica-guide.info/weather/

Average temperatures in Jamaica range between 80 degrees Fahrenheit and 90 degrees Fahrenheit (27 degrees Celsius-2 degrees Celsius), with July and August being the hottest months and February the coolest. Temperatures in Jamaica generally vary approximately 10 degrees from summer to winter. Nevertheless, you should be prepared for winter in Jamaica to be slightly cooler, especially at the higher altitudes. In the mountains, temperatures can dip to 40 degrees Fahrenheit (4 degrees Celsius).

[Elitist Bitch]

"temperatures can dip to 40 degrees Fahrenheit (4 degrees Celsius)."

Damn, that's a heat wave during an Idaho winter.

[bonerjoe]

No wonder there's so much weed there.

[phantomofroute66]

Better get used to the idea of stiff competition for female companionship.  There's already a shortage of women in Alaska, and it would be even worse after an influx of liberty-minded individuals.

[bonerjoe]

Better get used to the idea of stiff competition for female companionship.  There's already a shortage of women in Alaska, and it would be even worse after an influx of liberty-minded individuals.

Finding a liberty-minded women is hard enough normally. I'd expect my chances to rise in some place like Alaska, actually. But that's just me.

[Charles]

I'd expatriate to Hong Kong as well.  Expatriates are treated pretty well there.

[Ed]

I am going to Mt. Zion, cus I am religious and shit.

But not the jew one, the jamaican one.
http://www.maplandia.com/jamaica/clarendon/mount-zion/

Damn, looks nice. Are you serious?

[Bill Brasky]

The only problem is US interests will never allow a state to become a nation.  Or even some sort of self-governed territory. 

The old Soviet government didn't want to their empire broken up, either. But, it happened.

If enough people want something to happen, it WILL happen.

Good point.  I think the soviets were having some economic issues at the time, though.  Maybe their states were draining them and they chipped off the barnacles.  Russia still exists. 

Just shooting from the hip.  Bottom line, though, they were fairly rough with their citizens, I don't think the collapse of the USSR was completely because of the actions of the citizenry.  I'm thinking russia jettisoned their useless baggage to keep the whole ship from going down in the storm. 

[mikehz]

The same thing happened in Ireland and India. The people decided they wanted independence, and they got it.

[Bill Brasky]

Irelands struggle has been nasty. 

[mikehz]

Irelands struggle has been nasty. 

And successful. Now, both Scotland and Wales are considering Independence.

[money dollars]

I am going to Mt. Zion, cus I am religious and shit.

But not the jew one, the jamaican one.
http://www.maplandia.com/jamaica/clarendon/mount-zion/

Damn, looks nice. Are you serious?

That is the plan....I just need to figure out how to make it happen.

I was also thinking about treasure beach, and wouldn't mind having a shack/hemp hotel/bed and breakfast there.....

http://www.sangstersrealty.com/properties/prop7197.htm

Particulars:
Property type: Residential House / Hotel or Guest House
Sale Price: $30,000,000
30,000,000 Jamaican Dollar = 437,764 US Dollar
Address:  Treasure Beach, St. Elizabeth
Ref #: 7197
Bedrooms: 10
Bathrooms: 10
Building Size: 11,000 sq ft

Location:
Beautiful 10 bedroom property, which can be used as a guest house/hotel or home, located at Treasure Beach

Know any investors?

I looked at getting a loan a couple years ago, but the APR was 14% 

[phantomofroute66]

And successful. Now, both Scotland and Wales are considering Independence.

Is this due in any part to the police state south of them?  Good luck with that.  They wouldn't turn loose of a bunch of rocks with nothing but sheep on them back in '81.

[Andy]

Irelands struggle has been nasty. 

Yeah, but that had a lot to do with the number of locals who really didn't want to be independent.

And successful. Now, both Scotland and Wales are considering Independence.

Is this due in any part to the police state south of them?  Good luck with that.  They wouldn't turn loose of a bunch of rocks with nothing but sheep on them back in '81.

I don't know much about Wales but unfortunately Scottish independence would probably only make the socialism worse. They do have a chance of getting it though especially given the lopsided flow of government funds to Scotland stirring up resentment in England.

Of course the worst part is that they would almost certainly remain in the E.U.

[mikehz]

American Indian tribes have succeeded in obtaining sovereign status.

Now, if we could only cut off foreign aid to them...