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Which one would you prefer?

Monarchy
- 8 (66.7%)
Democracy
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Monarchy vs Democracy
« on: April 29, 2010, 12:13:09 AM »

This is just my vague opinion-

Monarchy tends to encourage longer time horizons for economic planning.  That tends to favor investment in capital and skilled, specialized labor.  That tends to produce economic growth.  And that tends to benefit the peons as well as the monarch.

Democracy tends to encourage shorter time horizons for economic planning.  That tends to encourage consumption on credit.  That tends to produce economic crisis.  And that tends to benefit *only* the upper class.


If Britain only had the royal family and no democracy would they still have their empire :?:
   
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Re: Monarchy vs Democracy
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2010, 12:17:09 AM »

Depends. If it is a small group, then direct democracy. Large countryside, then Monarchy.
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Re: Monarchy vs Democracy
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2010, 12:28:31 AM »

Depends. If it is a small group, then direct democracy. Large countryside, then Monarchy.


Does the current representative democracy mean  that you get to vote for your monarchs?
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Re: Monarchy vs Democracy
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2010, 12:48:45 AM »

Depends. If it is a small group, then direct democracy. Large countryside, then Monarchy.


Does the current representative democracy mean  that you get to vote for your monarchs?

If you have multiple monarchs, then it isnt a monarchy is it?

Would the folks down in Chiapas have a direct democracy? (or close)
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Re: Monarchy vs Democracy
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2010, 01:14:06 AM »

I like the Emperor Norton Monopoly model. A local lunatic abolishes Democracy by fiat, marches around in a civil war jacket, and demands $0.50 sidewalk taxes from tourists who laugh him of as often as pay him. Let him print his own money so long as there's obligation to accept it. Let him proclaim his own laws so long as there's no one to enforce it.

I'd say that's all the government we need.
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Re: Monarchy vs Democracy
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2010, 01:17:31 AM »

Depends. If it is a small group, then direct democracy. Large countryside, then Monarchy.


Does the current representative democracy mean  that you get to vote for your monarchs?

If you have multiple monarchs, then it isnt a monarchy is it?

Would the folks down in Chiapas have a direct democracy? (or close)

It is a form of monarchy called aristocracy,or "rule of betters" in which an elite by virtue of birth or wealth are the rulers.(As opposed to now where the financial elite rule by proxy ?)
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Re: Monarchy vs Democracy
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2010, 01:18:40 AM »

Chiapas ?

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Re: Monarchy vs Democracy
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2010, 03:35:35 AM »

Depends. If it is a small group, then direct democracy. Large countryside, then Monarchy.

this. but of course no government is better government.

If you have a evil monarch the people would be more apt to rise up if they they tried to take their guns, or too much money etc. and Monarchs are easier to "take out" than a large group of people

If you have evil neighbors in a direct democracy, well get out ASAP. or at least reason and logic would be easier to use on them to get them to your point of view.

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Re: Monarchy vs Democracy
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2010, 01:27:35 PM »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiapas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapatista_Army_of_National_Liberation aka EZLN.

If I remember correctly, they have a panel of people who make all the decisions, and every few weeks they completely vote them out.  Also, they are a small, very impoverished community.
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Re: Monarchy vs Democracy
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2010, 02:30:33 PM »

One can kill an honest tyrant and be proclaimed a hero.

"Democracy" leads directly to the fiction that "We rule ourselves", so killing politicians becomes a crime against my neighbors.

And agreed on the "time horizon" thing.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy:_The_God_That_Failed
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Re: Monarchy vs Democracy
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2010, 03:44:01 PM »

Factor into your response the house of Saud.
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Re: Monarchy vs Democracy
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2010, 03:19:02 AM »

In a proper government that respects human rights, it probably doesn't matter. The average citizen of such a nation might take little notice of who is in charge of whatever limited government exists. It would be like me giving a crap about who the supervisor is of my local library. I may use the service, but I don't much care who runs it, so long as I get my books.

Still, history shows that monarchies are only good if you get the right leader. Get the wrong one, and you're stuck with Caligula!
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Re: Monarchy vs Democracy
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2010, 05:18:33 AM »

 Democracy is a effective safeguard. It goes wrong when used as a excuse.
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