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How much will you contribute to Bob Barr's campaign if he gets the LP nomination (and no other noteworthy libertarians stay in the final race)?

Nothing, not even my vote
- 32 (57.1%)
Nothing except my vote
- 10 (17.9%)
Less than $10 (and my vote)
- 0 (0%)
$10 or more
- 1 (1.8%)
$20 or more
- 0 (0%)
$30 or more
- 0 (0%)
$50 or more
- 2 (3.6%)
$75 or more
- 1 (1.8%)
$100 or more
- 2 (3.6%)
$200 or more
- 1 (1.8%)
$300 or more
- 0 (0%)
$500 or more
- 1 (1.8%)
$1000 or more
- 0 (0%)
$1500 or more
- 0 (0%)
$2000 or more
- 0 (0%)
The legal maximum
- 1 (1.8%)
I'm ineligible to donate / vote in U.S.
- 5 (8.9%)

Total Members Voted: 24


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Ecolitan

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Re: Lower the Barr?
« Reply #105 on: May 25, 2008, 06:53:32 PM »

We can continue Ron Paul's momentum, take a big-ass bite out of McCain, and maybe get SEVERAL TIMES more votes than LP has ever received before!


Bob Barr is not Ron Paul

I'm gonna bookmark this one.  C'ya in November. 
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Taors

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Re: Lower the Barr?
« Reply #106 on: May 25, 2008, 06:55:03 PM »

Bob Barr is nothing compared to Dr. Paul.
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Alex Libman

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Re: Lower the Barr?
« Reply #107 on: May 25, 2008, 06:56:55 PM »

Congrats LP, you've destroyed yourself.

The only party being destroyed is the Republican Party.

We would have had a second Libertarian Party dedicated to 100% no-compromise zero-government anarcho-capitalism, but all of the potential supporters of such a party (myself excluded) don't seem to want to get their hands dirty.

So in November the choice will be Obama (presumably), McCain, Barr, some Constitution Party theocrat, some Green Party nutcase, and a few more socialists.  Who you gonna pick?
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JWI

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Re: Lower the Barr?
« Reply #108 on: May 25, 2008, 06:57:17 PM »

Fortunately, the "realists" didn't win the day in 1776.

Yes they did.

The realists supported the monarchy, because they didn't see a "realistic" chance of winning.  So yeah, they obviously won the day in 1776.  :roll:
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JWI

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Re: Lower the Barr?
« Reply #109 on: May 25, 2008, 07:03:35 PM »

Congrats LP, you've destroyed yourself.

The only party being destroyed is the Republican Party.

We would have had a second Libertarian Party dedicated to 100% no-compromise zero-government anarcho-capitalism, but all of the potential supporters of such a party (myself excluded) don't seem to want to get their hands dirty.

So in November the choice will be Obama (presumably), McCain, Barr, some Constitution Party theocrat, some Green Party nutcase, and a few more socialists.  Who you gonna pick?


The Republican Party is destroying the LP by putting their pro-income tax icky democracy thinking people up for election in LP primaries.  The LP is helping them by falling for it to gain a higher profile.

Some of us got our hands dirty for years, donating money, attending boring meetings, running for office and what's to show for it?   More of the same with just a different label?  Oh wait, we'll change the tax system a bit, call that change and then smile for our holy pictures.  Good show.

I won't vote for any of the morons listed above.  I refuse to vote for Barr and let the LP think that's the kind of person I want representing me.

When I left the party my final speech was about how the LP was selling out in order to grow by a few percentage points.  That was 5 years ago.  Glad to see I haven't been proven wrong yet.
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rabidfurby

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Re: Lower the Barr?
« Reply #110 on: May 25, 2008, 07:04:18 PM »

maybe get SEVERAL TIMES more votes than LP has ever received before!

That...is why you fail.

Votes are meaningless. The goal of the LP is not to get as many votes for Libertarian candidates as possible. Its goal is to create more libertarians. If they're successful at this, getting more votes will be a natural side-effect, but it is not the primary goal.

The biggest reason the LP is fundamentally flawed is that as a political party, people think the measure of its success is how many votes they get, how many candidates get elected, and how much money they raise. In the drive to maximize these things, they throw out their principles, because principles are "un-electable" and not "mainstream".
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JWI

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Re: Lower the Barr?
« Reply #111 on: May 25, 2008, 07:05:14 PM »

maybe get SEVERAL TIMES more votes than LP has ever received before!

That...is why you fail.

Votes are meaningless. The goal of the LP is not to get as many votes for Libertarian candidates as possible. Its goal is to create more libertarians. If they're successful at this, getting more votes will be a natural side-effect, but it is not the primary goal.

The biggest reason the LP is fundamentally flawed is that as a political party, people think the measure of its success is how many votes they get, how many candidates get elected, and how much money they raise. In the drive to maximize these things, they throw out their principles, because principles are "un-electable" and not "mainstream".

QFT!
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Alex Libman

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Re: Lower the Barr?
« Reply #112 on: May 25, 2008, 07:06:54 PM »

We can continue Ron Paul's momentum, take a big-ass bite out of McCain, and maybe get SEVERAL TIMES more votes than LP has ever received before!


Bob Barr is not Ron Paul

I'm gonna bookmark this one.  C'ya in November. 


To clarify, "SEVERAL TIMES" means at least 2x more votes than LP has ever received before.  You don't think Barr can get 1,842,598 votes (twice Clark's record from 1980) in November?

Think about it.  Ron Paul got over 1.1+ million votes in GOP primaries - not really counting the caucus states.  Do you really think so many Ron Paul supporters will vote for McCain?
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Taors

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Re: Lower the Barr?
« Reply #113 on: May 25, 2008, 07:07:20 PM »

Furby wins again.
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Taors

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Re: Lower the Barr?
« Reply #115 on: May 25, 2008, 07:23:04 PM »

Quote
But the National Review collective recently editorialized against the "new Barr," saying that he is a "non-interventionist anti-government purist committed to a thoroughgoing civil libertarianism."

Which is a complete lie.

Check signature for details.
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Alex Libman

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Re: Lower the Barr?
« Reply #116 on: May 25, 2008, 07:30:27 PM »

And when you were a baby you pooped your diapers.

Is that how you want to be remembered?
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rabidfurby

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Re: Lower the Barr?
« Reply #117 on: May 25, 2008, 07:35:01 PM »

Quote from: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,350248,00.html
HANNITY: What would your vote be? Would you vote to legalize heroin and crack?

BARR: No, I would not vote to legalize heroin and crack, Sean. We've talked about this. You keep coming back to it.
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Alex Libman

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Re: Lower the Barr?
« Reply #118 on: May 25, 2008, 07:42:53 PM »

Ah, so that's what it's all about...
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Taors

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Re: Lower the Barr?
« Reply #119 on: May 25, 2008, 07:44:01 PM »

Ah, so that's what it's all about...

Yes, government intervention. Which the LP is supposed to be against.

Fail.
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