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Free Talk Live => The Polling Pit => Topic started by: AlexLibman on February 04, 2007, 12:53:47 PM
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This is a growing poll - post more ideas, and I'll add them. Remember, you can change your vote.
We all know we don't wanna assassinate anybody, but there is a fear on the Internet about this subject, and the more people stand up to this fear the more difficult it will be for them to go after us. They can arrest a dozen people for saying something "dangerous", but not a million.
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"this one is for saddam"
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"on the behalf of our posterity..."
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"I heartily accept the motto, "That government is best which governs least"; and I should like to see it acted up to more rapidly and systematically. Carried out, it finally amounts to this, which also I believe--"That government is best which governs not at all"; and when men are prepared for it, that will be the kind of government which they will have. Government is at best but an expedient; but most governments are usually, and all governments are sometimes, inexpedient. The objections which have been brought against a standing army, and they are many and weighty, and deserve to prevail, may also at last be brought against a standing government. The standing army is only an arm of the standing government. The government itself, which is only the mode which the people have chosen to execute their will, is equally liable to be abused and perverted before the people can act through it. Witness the present Mexican war, the work of comparatively a few individuals using the standing government as their tool; for in the outset, the people would not have consented to this measure.
This American government--what is it but a tradition, though a recent one, endeavoring to transmit itself unimpaired to posterity, but each instant losing some of its integrity? It has not the vitality and force of a single living man; for a single man can bend it to his will. It is a sort of wooden gun to the people themselves. But it is not the less necessary for this; for the people must have some complicated machinery or other, and hear its din, to satisfy that idea of government which they have. Governments show thus how successfully men can be imposed upon, even impose on themselves, for their own advantage. It is excellent, we must all allow. Yet this government never of itself furthered any enterprise, but by the alacrity with which it got out of its way. It does not keep the country free. It does not settle the West. It does not educate. The character inherent in the American people has done all that has been accomplished; and it would have done somewhat more, if the government had not sometimes got in its way. For government is an expedient, by which men would fain succeed in letting one another alone; and, as has been said, when it is most expedient, the governed are most let alone by it. Trade and commerce, if they were not made of india-rubber, would never manage to bounce over obstacles which legislators are continually putting in their way; and if one were to judge these men wholly by the effects of their actions and not partly by their intentions, they would deserve to be classed and punished with those mischievious persons who put obstructions on the railroads.
But, to speak practically and as a citizen, unlike those who call themselves no-government men, I ask for, not at once no government, but at once a better government. Let every man make known what kind of government would command his respect, and that will be one step toward obtaining it.
After all, the practical reason why, when the power is once in the hands of the people, a majority are permitted, and for a long period continue, to rule is not because they are most likely to be in the right, nor because this seems fairest to the minority, but because they are physically the strongest. But a government in which the majority rule in all cases can not be based on justice, even as far as men understand it. Can there not be a government in which the majorities do not virtually decide right and wrong, but conscience?--in which majorities decide only those questions to which the rule of expediency is applicable? Must the citizen ever for a moment, or in the least degree, resign his conscience to the legislator? Why has every man a conscience then? I think that we should be men first, and subjects afterward. It is not desirable to cultivate a respect for the law, so much as for the right. The only obligation which I have a right to assume is to do at any time what I think right. It is truly enough said that a corporation has no conscience; but a corporation of conscientious men is a corporation with a conscience. Law never made men a whit more just; and, by means of their respect for it, even the well-disposed are daily made the agents of injustice. A common and natural result of an undue respect for the law is, that you may see a file of soldiers, colonel, captain, corporal, privates, powder-monkeys, and all, marching in admirable order over hill and dale to the wars, against their wills, ay, against their common sense and consciences, which makes it very steep marching indeed, and produces a palpitation of the heart. They have no doubt that it is a damnable business in which they are concerned; they are all peaceably inclined. Now, what are they? Men at all? or small movable forts and magazines, at the service of some unscrupulous man in power? Visit the Navy Yard, and behold a marine, such a man as an American government can make, or such as it can make a man with its black arts--a mere shadow and reminiscence of humanity, a man laid out alive and standing, and already, as one may say, buried under arms with funeral accompaniment, though it may be,
"Not a drum was heard, not a funeral note,
As his corse to the rampart we hurried;
Not a soldier discharged his farewell shot
O'er the grave where our hero was buried."
The mass of men serve the state thus, not as men mainly, but as machines, with their bodies. They are the standing army, and the militia, jailers, constables, posse comitatus, etc. In most cases there is no free exercise whatever of the judgement or of the moral sense; but they put themselves on a level with wood and earth and stones; and wooden men can perhaps be manufactured that will serve the purpose as well. Such command no more respect than men of straw or a lump of dirt. They have the same sort of worth only as horses and dogs. Yet such as these even are commonly esteemed good citizens. Others--as most legislators, politicians, lawyers, ministers, and office-holders--serve the state chiefly with their heads; and, as they rarely make any moral distinctions, they are as likely to serve the devil, without intending it, as God. A very few--as heroes, patriots, martyrs, reformers in the great sense, and men--serve the state with their consciences also, and so necessarily resist it for the most part; and they are commonly treated as enemies by it. A wise man will only be useful as a man, and will not submit to be "clay," and "stop a hole to keep the wind away," but leave that office to his dust at least:
"I am too high born to be propertied,
To be a second at control,
Or useful serving-man and instrument
To any sovereign state throughout the world."
He who gives himself entirely to his fellow men appears to them useless and selfish; but he who gives himself partially to them is pronounced a benefactor and philanthropist.
How does it become a man to behave toward the American government today? I answer, that he cannot without disgrace be associated with it. I cannot for an instant recognize that political organization as my government which is the slave's government also.
All men recognize the right of revolution; that is, the right to refuse allegiance to, and to resist, the government, when its tyranny or its inefficiency are great and unendurable. But almost all say that such is not the case now. But such was the case, they think, in the Revolution of '75. If one were to tell me that this was a bad government because it taxed certain foreign commodities brought to its ports, it is most probable that I should not make an ado about it, for I can do without them. All machines have their friction; and possibly this does enough good to counter-balance the evil. At any rate, it is a great evil to make a stir about it. But when the friction comes to have its machine, and oppression and robbery are organized, I say, let us not have such a machine any longer. In other words, when a sixth of the population of a nation which has undertaken to be the refuge of liberty are slaves, and a whole country is unjustly overrun and conquered by a foreign army, and subjected to military law, I think that it is not too soon for honest men to rebel and revolutionize. What makes this duty the more urgent is the fact that the country so overrun is not our own, but ours is the invading army."
*BAM BAM BAM*
Think I could get it all out before the Feds shoot me?
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Think I could get it all out before the Feds shoot me?
better just store it onto a disk and plant it in some journalist's purse, or something....
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"PWNED"
But seriously, I don't want to kill Bush. I just want him out of any position of authority.
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I would sing him the n00b song (http://noobpwning.ytmnd.com/). :lol:
-- Bridget
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Maybe we should just call the Feds and ask them to investigate us now, before they figure it out on their own. :lol:
I'd probably say something sucktastic like "How do you like having your freedoms taken at gunpoint?!"
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how about a simple:
"asshole..."
complete with a sneer of disgust?
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and where are all the conspircy theorists casting their vote for "this is for 9-11!"
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"Strategery?!"
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ding dong King George the II is dead
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I would sing him the n00b song (http://noobpwning.ytmnd.com/). :lol:
-- Bridget
Followed closely by a rousing "BOOM HEADSHOT".
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I would sing him the n00b song (http://noobpwning.ytmnd.com/). :lol:
-- Bridget
Followed closely by a rousing "BOOM HEADSHOT".
And the insane giggle.
-- Bridget
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I would sing him the n00b song (http://noobpwning.ytmnd.com/). :lol:
-- Bridget
Followed closely by a rousing "BOOM HEADSHOT".
And the insane giggle.
-- Bridget
(http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/83/dougnadewo0.jpg)
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Just after John Wilkes Booth shot Lincoln he yelled Sic Semper Tyrannus "Thus always to tyrants."
Any of you get a visit from Secret Service yet?
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no, but i left a note attached to my door asking them to please remove their shoes before removing me from my bed this evening...
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I thought you said we could change our mother fucking vote?
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"That's what I call a Patriot Act."
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I'm not touching this thread with my 10 foot penis..
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I can't believe strategery didn't get added. :x
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I'm not touching this thread with my 10 foot penis..
I know what you mean....but i just couldn't help it...
mine is 12 feet.
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I can't believe strategery didn't get added. :x
I thought it was clever.
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"Fool me once, shame on...shame on...you....Ifyfoolmya can't get fooled again!" POP
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I'm not touching this thread with my 10 foot penis..
I know what you mean....but i just couldn't help it...
mine is 12 feet.
Midgets.
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Any of you get a visit from Secret Service yet?
Nope. 8)
I thought you said we could change our mother fucking vote?
Ouch, the forum software screwed up. So... I RESET THE VOTE COUNT TO ZERO! Everyone, vote again.
I can't believe strategery didn't get added. :x
My bad.
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As far as I know you've never been able to change your vote.
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I voted for "That's what I call a patriot act!"
But I'd really say something more like:
"WHAT THE HELL PART OF DONT TREAD ON ME DID YOU NOT GET?"
"I PLEAD SELF-DEFENSE!"
"THATS WHAT THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS ALL ABOUT!"
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You should have made it so that we could pick more than one. I had a hard time choosing between "That's what I call a Patriot Act!" and "pwn3d"
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Or... Here's the Singularity coming, Mr.President. *BANG* *BANG* *BANG*
-- Bridget
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Wait for it...
YOU ARE EDUCATED STUPID AND EVIL!
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Or... Here's the Singularity coming, Mr.President. *BANG* *BANG* *BANG*
Added, though technically this isn't a "What do you say to Bush before you blow him away?" poll, this is what your last words would be AFTER his liquefied brains hit the dirt, knowing you only have a couple of seconds.
As far as I know you've never been able to change your vote.
You should have made it so that we could pick more than one.
Yeah, let's use this as a "beta" thread for people to submit their ideas.
After things slow down, we'll launch a new version with check-boxes - maximum of how many, 3? 5?
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Dirka dirka allah muhommad
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Dirka dirka allah muhommad
It goes "Dirka dirka mohammed jihad".
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I'm gonna start a Jihad up in this bitch...
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Homeland Security reads this BBS.
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Homeland Security reads this BBS.
Wow. What a waste of tax dollars. Is there nothing more important they have to keep an eye on than a bunch of folk discussing the doctorine of leaving people alone?
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Homeland Security reads this BBS.
Wow. What a waste of tax dollars. Is there nothing more important they have to keep an eye on than a bunch of folk discussing the doctorine of leaving people alone?
No. All dissenters will be assimilated or liquidated.
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Homeland Security reads this BBS.
(http://carl.leksvin.se/uploaded_images/ep1223%20fuck%20you%20fuckin-706482.jpg)
quit your jobs.
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Homeland Security reads this BBS.
How do you know?
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Pretty sure Ian or somebody said so once. We know they read error's blog homelandstupidity.us, or at least pay some random-ass contractor to do it.
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Nope. OFK is in 'Homeland Security college'. She's graduating soon from what I can remember.
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I have a relative that I'd heard is going to start working for DHS, sometime soon.
$$$----$ix figure $alary----$$$
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Your relative needs to be whipped.
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nmmmmmmm....no comment.
da fif'
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$$$----$ix figure $alary----$$$
You can make that much money without selling your soul entirely.
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sure you can.... there are different means to different ends.
some more illegal than others...
some more immoral than others...
its all relative, i think.
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I think it's all objective, actually.
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sweet.
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No shit.
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respeck.
(http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/01/14/ali_g_narrowweb__200x258.jpg)
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Hell YEAH. I have that recorded on my TV. Is it any good?
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Rather than saying anything, I'd hold up a sign, Wile E. Coyote style, with some slogan on it. So far, I can only think of "YIKES!"
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Hell YEAH. I have that recorded on my TV. Is it any good?
it's rather amusing. i saw it for the first time last night. i like the ali g character...he sounds so fucking stupid talking like an urban-kinda guy immersed in hip hop culture, with a british accent....so its like worlds colliding.
and he thinks he's black. despite the obvious fact that he is not.
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Hell YEAH. I have that recorded on my TV. Is it any good?
it's rather amusing. i saw it for the first time last night. i like the ali g character...he sounds so fucking stupid talking like an urban-kinda guy immersed in hip hop culture, with a british accent....so its like worlds colliding.
and he thinks he's black. despite the obvious fact that he is not.
Kind of like Cyro, huh?
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Homeland Security reads this BBS.
Only in the form of ME Buahahahahahaha!!!! :lol:
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Homeland Security reads this BBS.
Only in the form of ME Buahahahahahaha!!!! :lol:
Are you going to get a real job one of these days?
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I Do have a real job. I help keep my agency from pulling too much shit by NOT calling "Bag check" on bullshit like drinks & perfume whenever I'm working the X-Ray. And when my bosses do something momumentally stupid, I call the show & expose them on it. 8) And how many screeners, besides ME, do YOU think would let passengers bring weed on the plane & even tell them how to better hide it? Hell, I wish the people who wrote the rules were like me. People would get through SO much quicker because we'd only look for bombs.
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I Do have a real job. I help keep my agency from pulling too much shit by NOT calling "Bag check" on bullshit like drinks & perfume whenever I'm working the X-Ray. And when my bosses do something momumentally stupid, I call the show & expose them on it. 8) And how many screeners, besides ME, do YOU think would let passengers bring weed on the plane & even tell them how to better hide it? Hell, I wish the people who wrote the rules were like me. People would get through SO much quicker because we'd only look for bombs.
Shit son, people need their bombs too...you should let them keep them.
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I Do have a real job. I help keep my agency from pulling too much shit by NOT calling "Bag check" on bullshit like drinks & perfume whenever I'm working the X-Ray. And when my bosses do something momumentally stupid, I call the show & expose them on it. 8) And how many screeners, besides ME, do YOU think would let passengers bring weed on the plane & even tell them how to better hide it? Hell, I wish the people who wrote the rules were like me. People would get through SO much quicker because we'd only look for bombs.
Shit son, people need their bombs too...you should let them keep them.
Dude, good luck finding an airline willing to let you take one on board. I doubt even an "N.R.A." airline would allow that. :? If you want Bombs for your home, on your private property, Who am I to say you can't? Hell, I'd have some too if I knew I wouldn't get raided by the Feds for it.
And for those who "Bitchslapped" me over my working for TSA, look at it this way: Whenever I let someone go after discovering weed in his or her bag (& in my 4 & a half years there, I've let go 9), and teach him/her how to hide it better, I SAVE the taxpayers $50,000 per prisoner per year for NOT Ratting them out to my Supervisor! Thats $450,000 per year I saved the taxpayers. I saved those 9 people from having their Lives RUINED by the drug war.
I think that more than makes up for my Salary ($35,000). I think there outta be a "Free GOV project" where we get 20,000 liberty minded people like myself to infiltrate the government & throw monkey wrenches into the system (Discreetly mind you). Hell, in a way, L.E.A.P. is sort of an unofficial, unknowing member for example.
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Well said.
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Thanks. That little comment Ian made monday night about how All bueraucrats are bad & that he has No Respect for ANYONE who earns their paycheck through "Government force" Kinda pissed me off.
After all, minus MY income, I DID save those taxpayers $415,000 a year so far with all the people that were NOT locked up for drug possession Thanks to ME. That HAS to count for something.
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I'd quote the Matrix: "Dodge this"