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Title: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Alex Libman on April 14, 2008, 04:30:27 AM
(If you could get away with it, and you could only molest one at a time, and those were your only choices, and not molesting was not an option.)
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Blackie on April 14, 2008, 07:49:31 AM
and not molesting was not an option.
It's always an option. It's called suicide.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Alex Libman on April 14, 2008, 08:42:26 AM
Nope, the evil alien terrorists have you strapped down.  You have to pick one of those kids to rape or Earth goes boom.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: dalebert on April 14, 2008, 08:50:49 AM
Alex... It was funny to joke about pedophilia, but now it's time for a new humor subject.  :shock:
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Blackie on April 14, 2008, 08:52:19 AM
Earth goes boom.
Problem solved.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: jimmed on April 14, 2008, 10:32:10 AM
Nope, the evil alien terrorists have you strapped down.  You have to pick one of those kids to rape or Earth goes boom.

Which one did you molest as a kid?
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Alex Libman on April 14, 2008, 10:36:01 AM
Um, "did"?  Most of them are older than me, that would not be possible.  :lol:
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: jimmed on April 14, 2008, 10:38:21 AM
Um, "did"?  Most of them are older than me, that would not be possible.  :lol:

Coulda, woulda, shouda.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on April 14, 2008, 02:06:25 PM
 :?
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: jimmed on April 14, 2008, 02:07:00 PM
No votes so far, I'm impressed.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Alex Libman on April 14, 2008, 03:30:21 PM
C'mon, it's to save the world, people!
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: sandm000 on April 14, 2008, 04:05:14 PM
You're one sick fuck.

/also when someone comes by and does put in a vote, either as a serious answer or a joke, you're going to jump around shouting "PERVERT, PERVERT"
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: John Shaw on April 14, 2008, 04:08:10 PM
You're one sick fuck.

/also when someone comes by and does put in a vote, either as a serious answer or a joke, you're going to jump around shouting "PERVERT, PERVERT"

And when people rag on him for it he'll delete his post and pretend he doesn't know what you're talking about. Also he'll call you insane for making up stuff about him.

And obviously, the girl for fuck's sake. Sheesh.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Alex Libman on April 14, 2008, 05:05:22 PM
Which one?
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: dalebert on April 14, 2008, 06:48:32 PM
There are one or two that I might molest now that they're adults.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: NHArticleTen on April 14, 2008, 08:39:14 PM
Earth goes boom.
Problem solved.
this
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: timmysoboy on April 14, 2008, 08:50:48 PM
well, it's definitely a tough choice, but I'd probably chose mark, so he's prepared for prison...
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Taors on April 14, 2008, 08:54:30 PM
Who the fuck voted for Mark?
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: hellbilly on April 15, 2008, 12:32:25 AM
well, it's definitely a tough choice, but I'd probably chose mark, so he's prepared for prison...


you see.. this is awful.


and yet it is things such as this that make me come here. :)
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Alex Libman on April 15, 2008, 07:13:52 AM
I aim to please.  ;)
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: timmysoboy on April 15, 2008, 11:14:17 AM
Who the fuck voted for Mark?

scroll up just a hair...
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Taors on April 15, 2008, 10:08:22 PM
Who the fuck voted for Mark?

scroll up just a hair...

But he was a Republican back then...
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Taors on April 15, 2008, 11:12:58 PM
Who the fuck voted for Mark?

scroll up just a hair...

But he was a Republican back then...

Mark was nothing as a little kid.  He became a commie in high school.

I'm pretty sure he was a Republican first, then to be rebellious became a commie, then went back to being a Republican, and is now a closet anarcho-capitalist.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Alex Libman on April 16, 2008, 02:21:31 AM
That has nothing to do with molest-ability.  First of all, no matter how heterosexual you are, girls that age are simply much harder to molest than boys.

Who do you think is most likely to take twenty bucks and keep his/her mouth shut afterwards?  :lol:
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: YixilTesiphon on April 16, 2008, 02:33:45 AM
That has nothing to do with molest-ability.  First of all, no matter how heterosexual you are, girls that age are simply much harder to molest than boys.

Who do you think is most likely to take twenty bucks and keep his/her mouth shut afterwards?  :lol:


What the fuck...
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Alex Libman on April 16, 2008, 08:13:52 AM
Shock threads are a part of this forum's culture, and this is my personal contribution to that time-honored tradition.  I was aiming at doing something squimish yet intellectually stimulating that will end in questions like...  "Can I buy Julia's permission to photoshop her under-aged face onto an otherwise-legal pornographic photo or drawing?"
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Alex Libman on April 16, 2008, 09:13:13 AM
Wasting time on forums is a part of my life, and it's damn fun!

So, I guess it's Mark and Nick racing for second place, with Ian left in the gutter!  :lol:
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Riddler on April 16, 2008, 06:22:38 PM
Shock threads are a part of this forum's culture, and this is my personal contribution to that time-honored tradition.  I was aiming at doing something squimish yet intellectually stimulating that will end in questions like...  "Can I buy Julia's permission to photoshop her under-aged face onto an otherwise-legal pornographic photo or drawing?"




and YOU have the audacity to shit talk or critique anyone?
what a fucked up , twisted cocksucker
to think I GOT FUCKING BANNED FROM THIS SITE
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Alex Libman on April 16, 2008, 09:24:59 PM
Wow, Little Nicky sure is popular...

(http://www.alexlibman.com/__imagebucket/little-nicky-icecream.png)


(Related thread about banning me for this thread. (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=20695))
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Santiago Johimbe on April 16, 2008, 10:48:52 PM
Hmm. Sorry. None of them really do anything for me. Maybe in ten years or so.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Alex Libman on April 17, 2008, 02:14:24 AM
Doctor, I committed a thought-crime!  I joked about pedophilia in an Internet forum!  Please lock me up and throw away the key!
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Alex Libman on April 20, 2008, 10:31:11 PM
Nick -vs- Julia, 3:3...  who will cast the tie-breaking vote?  :lol:
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Alex Libman on April 03, 2009, 12:36:49 PM
Ah, fresh meat!

(http://freetalklive.com/images/littledalebert.jpg) (http://wiki.freetalklive.com/Dale_Everett)

:lol:
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Jetfire on April 03, 2009, 12:49:47 PM
fuck what a sick thread this is
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Riddler on April 03, 2009, 04:05:27 PM
Ah, fresh meat!

(http://freetalklive.com/images/littledalebert.jpg) (http://wiki.freetalklive.com/Dale_Everett)

:lol:




see?
the little sick faggot is at it again.
bullett + head + you
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Alex Libman on April 03, 2009, 04:17:46 PM
bullett + head + you

As in bullettproducts.com (http://www.bullettproducts.com/)?  :lol:
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: pete1061 on April 05, 2009, 04:33:12 AM
Just when I thought this forum couldn't get any more depraved.
Kudos! that's liberty in action! :shock:
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Riddler on April 05, 2009, 10:42:52 AM
bullett + head + you

As in bullettproducts.com (http://www.bullettproducts.com/)?  :lol:



no.
the kind that make the contents of your skull (in your case.....limited) leak out all over the floor/walls/ceiling....depending on caliber....
in other words.....go BIG
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Alex Libman on April 05, 2009, 05:11:18 PM
Well, this thread is an exercise in free speech.  I will trust that The Riddler is not going to kill me, just as I expect others to trust that I would never harm a child (or skin Obama alive and boil him in Tabasco sauce).
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Bill Brasky on April 05, 2009, 05:44:43 PM
Well, this thread is an exercise in free speech.  I will trust that The Riddler is not going to kill me, just as I expect others to trust that I would never harm a child (or skin Obama alive and boil him in Tabasco sauce).


No, this thread is an exercise in poor taste.  When a subject is repeatedly proffered by someone, it is evident that they are captivated by it in some way.  It dwells in their thoughts.  It is part of their daily ruminations.  John, guns.  Me, capitalism and wealth building.  You, computer geek stuff and pedo.  Richard, latent homosexuality.  Joy, running, cooking.  Brede, logic and AI.  The jews, jew stuff.  See how it works?

Now, lets examine that further.  John plays with guns.  I obsessively read about investing - and invest.  You see where this is going, right?

So, no.  I don't trust that your interests wouldn't spill over into reality.   
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Alex Libman on April 05, 2009, 06:40:24 PM
No, this thread is an exercise in poor taste.

Exactly.  So?


When a subject is repeatedly proffered by someone, it is evident that they are captivated by it in some way.  It dwells in their thoughts.  It is part of their daily ruminations.  John, guns.  Me, capitalism and wealth building.  You, computer geek stuff and pedo.  Richard, latent homosexuality.  Joy, running, cooking.  Brede, logic and AI.  The jews, jew stuff.  See how it works?

Yes, and I've had "legalize kiddy porn" threads on other forums as well, but what fraction of my posts are concerned with that issue? Less than 1%, I am sure.  And it is probably the most important issue that the pigs will use to end Internet freedom as we know it!  Without Internet freedom nothing else is possible.


[...]  So, no.  I don't trust that your interests wouldn't spill over into reality.

Well, you should give me a benefit of doubt, in as much as I don't assume John Shaw is a serial killer just because gun rights are important to him.  The fact that I use my real name here is your first hint.  Real pedos (or Obama abductors / torturers) don't do that.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Bill Brasky on April 05, 2009, 08:53:05 PM
No, this thread is an exercise in poor taste.

Exactly.  So?


When a subject is repeatedly proffered by someone, it is evident that they are captivated by it in some way.  It dwells in their thoughts.  It is part of their daily ruminations.  John, guns.  Me, capitalism and wealth building.  You, computer geek stuff and pedo.  Richard, latent homosexuality.  Joy, running, cooking.  Brede, logic and AI.  The jews, jew stuff.  See how it works?

Yes, and I've had "legalize kiddy porn" threads on other forums as well, but what fraction of my posts are concerned with that issue? Less than 1%, I am sure.  And it is probably the most important issue that the pigs will use to end Internet freedom as we know it!  Without Internet freedom nothing else is possible.


[...]  So, no.  I don't trust that your interests wouldn't spill over into reality.

Well, you should give me a benefit of doubt, in as much as I don't assume John Shaw is a serial killer just because gun rights are important to him.  The fact that I use my real name here is your first hint.  Real pedos (or Obama abductors / torturers) don't do that.


You're full of shit.  

I understand the argument perfectly well.  You, apparently, don't.  This is not, nor will it ever be, a Libertopia.  There will always be a segment of the moral majority who seeks to enact censorship legislation regarding certain aspects of the human behavior spectrum.  The question is not whether those lines will be drawn, because they already are, but where they will be drawn.  Its a moving target, and the solution is not to remove the target or gun, but to use some intellect in the market and the courts.  

What you propose is the wholesale absolution of all media regardless of content, looking right at photographed proof of heinous and amoral behavior, and shrugging it off from a legal perspective.  I could make legitimate money as a business owner and be impervious to legal action.  In a modern and civilized society, this is not the proper avenue for commerce.  There are things people should not do, and as such, these are often the same things that should not be legitimized.  

I am an avid proponent that you cannot legislate morality.  But at the same time, there are a few flaws and imperfections that should not be justified.  Certain things will always happen.  And in my world, when those things happen, and the perpetrators are stupid enough to be found, I have no qualms about taking appropriate action to prevent the continuation of those people behaving outside of - what I consider to be - a very wide and free margin.  

Its not a censorship issue, its an AOC issue.  And the foundation of your argument is, there is no AOC.  And that is simply untrue.  Theres no reason that science and law cannot align to draw a proverbial line, and hear the arguments when the line is not so clearly defined.  Its not for me to draw the line, but only an asshole would say there is no appropriate line at all, and use that flawed logic to waive any sort of reasonable oversight.  
 

Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Riddler on April 05, 2009, 08:59:26 PM
Well, this thread is an exercise in free speech.  I will trust that The Riddler is not going to kill me, just as I expect others to trust that I would never harm a child (or skin Obama alive and boil him in Tabasco sauce).



riddler didn't threaten, in any way.
riddler hopes that you seek help.
failing that, the only other alternative to your sickness is.........ceasing to exist. someone, somewhere may take greater offense to your sick perversions than I...
not by my hand, unless you fuck wit my kid.
then, i run you through a wood chipper.
feet first.
just above idle.....throttling up as necessary, to prevent pesky engine stall.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Alex Libman on April 05, 2009, 09:03:45 PM
Any claim Brasky ever had to libertarianism just went bye-bye.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Riddler on April 05, 2009, 09:05:12 PM
you need ''bye-bye''
self-induced.
do yourself a big fat favor ( & societies)
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Bill Brasky on April 05, 2009, 09:22:17 PM
Any claim Brasky ever had to libertarianism just went bye-bye.

How long have you been here?

I had 11,000 posts in my first incarnation, 3,000 in my second, and probably 1000 or more posts now.

I've always maintained a minarchist perspective.  I've never once claimed to be a libertarian.  I don't believe in DRO's.  I don't believe in market-based ostracism as a solution.  I don't agree with profiteering on certain things, and I approve of the use of force when necessary or appropriate - one of which is preventing harm to those who cannot protect themselves.  Naturally, in this sense, the harm may already be done, but future harm can be prevented by removing the perpetrators of proven acts, and identifying pattern behavior is evident. 
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: sillyperson on April 05, 2009, 09:37:33 PM
It's just a matter of time before you're marching 'em into the showers, Brasky....  :lol:
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Alex Libman on April 05, 2009, 09:59:25 PM
That's taking it too far, but many a tyrant included lines like "I am an avid proponent that you cannot legislate morality, BUT ..." in their propaganda.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: davann on April 05, 2009, 10:00:07 PM
Well, this thread is an exercise in free speech.  I will trust that The Riddler is not going to kill me, just as I expect others to trust that I would never harm a child.


Not sure why you would expect others to trust you have not or will not harm children. If I ever met you and there were children around I would knock you unconscious just to be safe.

BTW, have you removed all that child porn from your PC you collected as a teenager? I only ask to hopefully get the feds, if they actually do troll here, pointed in your direction.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Alex Libman on April 05, 2009, 10:04:34 PM
You went from "harming children" to "child porn" as if they were the same thing.  And the people joked about in this thread -- NEWSFLASH -- are no longer children.  And they're not being harmed in any conceivable way - I didn't even copy the photos embedded above, just linked to the ones on the About page of the main site (http://freetalklive.com/about.php).

The purpose of this thread was to fish out any unlibertarian prejudices on this forum, and it has been a smashing success.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Bill Brasky on April 05, 2009, 10:26:24 PM
It's just a matter of time before you're marching 'em into the showers, Brasky....  :lol:

Yeah.  They can't build the chambers fast enough for me.  Maybe sports arenas. 
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Bill Brasky on April 05, 2009, 10:26:49 PM
That's taking it too far, but many a tyrant included lines like "I am an avid proponent that you cannot legislate morality, BUT ..." in their propaganda.


Really?   Name one. 
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Alex Libman on April 05, 2009, 10:50:49 PM
Obama.  Either Bush.  Either Clinton.  And so on.

Any politician really.  "Legislating morality" sounds bad, so they don't support it outright.  But they do it anyway.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Bill Brasky on April 05, 2009, 10:53:35 PM
You went from "harming children" to "child porn" as if they were the same thing.  And the people joked about in this thread -- NEWSFLASH -- are no longer children.  And they're not being harmed in any conceivable way - I didn't even copy the photos embedded above, just linked to the ones on the About page of the main site (http://freetalklive.com/about.php).

The purpose of this thread was to fish out any unlibertarian prejudices on this forum, and it has been a smashing success.


No, the purpose of this thread is simply another one of Libmans famous "Look how crazy I am" pieces of shit.  You're ego-surfing, and wiping a dual-purpose dirty sanchez under the nose of both your vile perversion in broad daylight, where it is most unacceptable - thus most enjoyable to discuss, amid the molestation and corruption of the childhood personnas of the now-adult figures who own this place, which you've quit countless times because nobody recognizes your 'brilliance'.  

A mans philosophy is his core.  There are several that are within the bounds of reason, there is more than one right way.  Whether you are Libertarian or Anarchist or Objectivist or Minarchist is moot, because any of those positions can be held by moral or immoral people.  Like fire, it is a tool that is neither good nor bad inherently, but what you do with it, and why you utilize its power is what makes it wrong or right in its implementation.  It seems to me that you embrace the philosophy for the purposes of doing whatever strokes your sick fuckin' triggers, rather than having the right purpose in your soul and seeking the philosophy that promotes it.  Its a corruption of the concept of immunity, an exploitation.  The reason for freedom and liberty is to promote growth and positive benefits of the human condition, not to promote the filth as an example to entice reform.  The scum is an unfortunate side effect that may be tolerated, not the reason in and of itself.  You fucking idiot.  
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Alex Libman on April 05, 2009, 10:57:03 PM
You're repeating yourself.  And every "compassionate conservative" that came before you.  Go sprout your jihad somewhere else.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Bill Brasky on April 05, 2009, 11:03:47 PM
Obama.  Either Bush.  Either Clinton.  And so on.

Any politician really.  "Legislating morality" sounds bad, so they don't support it outright.  But they do it anyway.


No kidding they do it anyway.  You're arguing from the opposite side of 'no fucking duh'.  Any legislation is a condemnation of behavior of one kind or another.  Its a restriction of *something*.  Thus, only a complete lack of restriction in every imaginable form is acceptable to you.  Which is pure anarchy.  So, you are incapable of being a Libertarian because you reject the foundation necessary to implement it.  

Which makes me wonder why I'm painted with the brush you don't give a fuck about.  
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Bill Brasky on April 05, 2009, 11:07:47 PM
You're repeating yourself.  And every "compassionate conservative" that came before you.  Go sprout your jihad somewhere else.


I'm repeating myself?  In yet another one of your Pedo threads? 

I'm pretty sure one of us is repeating.  And one of us is sprouting something. 
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Alex Libman on April 05, 2009, 11:13:38 PM
Thus, only a complete lack of restriction in every imaginable form is acceptable to you.

Ever hear of the non-aggression principle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-aggression_principle)?  Parents' rights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parents%27_rights_movement)?  Suing for child emancipation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_of_minors)?  Freedom of speech (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech)?  Freedom of contract (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_contract) (through which one could grant the permission to use the likeness of oneself as a child)?

Admit it, you're into FTL just for the lulz, you haven't learned a thing.  It is people like you who would stand by and do nothing as Internet freedoms are taken away, if only the freedoms you personally care about were not affected.  You disgust me!
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on April 06, 2009, 02:36:55 AM
libman topic
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Bill Brasky on April 06, 2009, 06:49:55 AM
Thus, only a complete lack of restriction in every imaginable form is acceptable to you.

Ever hear of the non-aggression principle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-aggression_principle)?  Parents' rights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parents%27_rights_movement)?  Suing for child emancipation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_of_minors)?  Freedom of speech (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech)?  Freedom of contract (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_contract) (through which one could grant the permission to use the likeness of oneself as a child)?

Admit it, you're into FTL just for the lulz, you haven't learned a thing.  It is people like you who would stand by and do nothing as Internet freedoms are taken away, if only the freedoms you personally care about were not affected.  You disgust me!


Yeah, I've heard of all of those things.  Half of those cancel out the other half, Johnny Cockring.  Nebulous litigation is the bane of logic, and you propose to make the courts the playground of the monied elite, tipped in favor of those who can sustain a prolonged court appearance.  

More fantasy fluff from Lipertopians who seek to mystify.  Bailiff, bring forth the docket, lets schedule Mr. Libman for the Fifth of Never, as he has clearly demonstrated a technical loophole we, the corrupt yet toothless courts, shall hear his brilliant arguments and swoon to the tune of his jibberjabber.  I propose a change of venue, to the Courts of Neverland, where Judge Jackson will rule with impartial benevolence.  

Throw out the evidence, it is digital, and can be altered, and was gathered in foreign countries where the actions are legal.  Throw out the testimony, as the drugs rendered temporary insanity.  Emancipate the victim, so the defendant can marry him in a gay ceremony and then strike the whole thing as a crime of passion, a lovers spat that cannot be considered criminal.  Send it to civil court, where the defendant can sue the former family for damages incurred in his defense.  

All that chicanery is much better than cutting through the crap with clear eyes.  How wrong of me to find that 1+1 does not equal two, but can be argued infinitum into a land of senselessness.  

The word you seek, Alex, is 'boondoggle'.  
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Alex Libman on April 06, 2009, 07:47:05 AM
Oh noes, People's Kommissar Comrade Brasky does not approve of a justice system, whether centralized or decentralized, that is based on natural rights (http://www.isil.org/resources/introduction.swf).  What are we to do?  Let's make him king and from his divine right to rule we shall have order!  :roll:

Decentralization of the justice system is one of the final and most theoretical steps in the Anarcho-Capitalist theory.  As I've pointed out many times, I'm on both sides of the anarchist / minarchist debate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism_and_minarchism), I see one as a stable version of a product while the other is an unstable pre-alpha version.  What you've said has absolutely nothing to do with the substance of this thread, which is freedom of speech, victimless crimes, and so on.

You have been blinded by prejudice.  Go run a diagnostic on your logic circuitry.  This thread has been a test, and you have failed big time.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: davann on April 06, 2009, 11:00:09 AM
This thread has been a test, and you have failed big time.


Unless the real test was to spot the  pedo, then there have been many winners. Where's my worthless stuffed dolphin?
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Alex Libman on April 06, 2009, 11:55:45 AM
Anyone can call anyone else a pedophile.  You can't prove a negative.  But you have no reason to believe that I'm a pedophile except for my interest in free speech and Internet freedom, both of which are being diminished by the prohibition of child porn.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on April 06, 2009, 12:16:07 PM
Anyone can call anyone else a pedophile.  You can't prove a negative.  But you have no reason to believe that I'm a pedophile except for my interest in free speech and Internet freedom, both of which are being diminished by the prohibition of child porn.


or I can think you're a pedophile because you made a topic called "If you were a pedophile . . ." and then posted lots of pics of young kids asking which one would we molest
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Alex Libman on April 06, 2009, 02:02:44 PM
And I could think whoever supports gun rights is a serial killer.

But the key difference between us is - I'm not stupid.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on April 06, 2009, 02:22:35 PM
And I could think whoever supports gun rights is a serial killer.

But the key difference between us is - I'm not stupid.


not the same thing.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Alex Libman on April 06, 2009, 02:30:08 PM
... because ...
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on April 06, 2009, 03:07:03 PM
... because ...

because one is having the "right" to fuck little kids and the other is the right to bear arms.

that's the difference.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Alex Libman on April 06, 2009, 03:12:27 PM
Huh?  What does this thread have to do with "fucking little kids"?  That's awful!  :?

You're no different than a gun grabbing socialist who makes the leap from gun rights to some idiot firing indiscriminately into a crowd and killing dozens of people.  This thread is about free speech and nothing else.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Bill Brasky on April 06, 2009, 06:17:40 PM
Anyone can call anyone else a pedophile.  You can't prove a negative.  But you have no reason to believe that I'm a pedophile except for my interest in free speech and Internet freedom, both of which are being diminished by the prohibition of child porn.


or I can think you're a pedophile because you made a topic called "If you were a pedophile . . ." and then posted lots of pics of young kids asking which one would we molest

That doesn't imply consent, or internet freedoms...  Now does it?

Beat me to it.  Here I am, with that loaded in my pocket, and you drop it on him.  Dammit. 
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on April 07, 2009, 03:59:08 AM
Huh?  What does this thread have to do with "fucking little kids"?  That's awful!  :?


Quote from: Alex Libman
If you were a pedophile...
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Alex Libman on April 07, 2009, 05:07:51 AM
The question is:

Quote
If you were a pedophile, which of those kids would you molest first?

And we all know it is impossible for a pedophile to molest the kids on those photographs because they are no longer kids.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on April 07, 2009, 05:29:50 AM
The question is:

Quote
If you were a pedophile, which of those kids would you molest first?

And we all know it is impossible for a pedophile to molest the kids on those photographs because they are no longer kids.


Yeah, but it was possible to molest them back then, and it's possible to molest kids who look like them now.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Alex Libman on April 07, 2009, 05:43:12 AM
Well, if you molest anybody and I find out about it, there will be hell to pay.

(Of course it should be up to the victim and/or her parents to decide if she has been "molested" or not.)

But any "speech" (including copying of photographs, video, etc) of you doing that, even if it indeed was a crime, should not be illegal.  No quantity or possible combination of 1's and 0's should ever be a crime!
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on April 07, 2009, 06:36:03 AM
Well, if you molest anybody and I find out about it, there will be hell to pay.

(Of course it should be up to the victim and/or her parents to decide if she has been "molested" or not.)

But any "speech" (including copying of photographs, video, etc) of you doing that, even if it indeed was a crime, should not be illegal.  No quantity or possible combination of 1's and 0's should ever be a crime!


That's a bunch of doublespeak.

The only way to get original child pornography is to molest a child.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Alex Libman on April 07, 2009, 07:05:00 AM
Ways of getting child pornography without molesting a child:







(There likely are other scenarios that I'm failing to think of.)
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Riddler on April 13, 2009, 10:46:54 AM
Ways of getting child pornography without molesting a child:

  • (1) Children posting images of themselves with no adults involved, like I did when I was ~15.

  • (2) Drawing / 3D modeling / photoshopping images.

  • (3) Emancipated minors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_of_minors) who can be as young as you care to imagine - emancipation from one's parents / guardians should be based on one's mental faculties and abilities, not accidents of chronology.

  • (4) Adults who look much younger than they really are, which could become more prevalent in the future (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=28489.0).

  • (5) Children getting permission from their parents - this one is controversial, I know.

  • (6) Kids who grow up / get emancipated from their parents and grant pardon to their "molester" (who was presumably prosecuted by their parents against the "victim's" wishes), thereby declaring that what happened was not a crime.

(There likely are other scenarios that I'm failing to think of.)


how comforting it is to see you've thoroughly thought out & written about overcoming the obstacles to procuring kiddy porn.
you've, once again, proven your sickness, for all to see.
bravo for you.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Alex Libman on April 13, 2009, 11:03:33 AM
Opposing mass hysteria over victimless crimes that could lead to ever more Internet censorship is "sickness"...  Sure...

Do you even make the tiniest effort to think rationally about this, or is your mind hopelessly stuck in a "bash whoever is not bashing pedophiles hard enough" loop?  Snap out of it!  Without freedom of information all other freedoms are meaningless!  And, like all prohibitions, it can be used to silence any political dissent - you may have "kiddy porn" on your computer right now and not even know it until you're in a prison cell!
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Riddler on April 13, 2009, 11:11:12 AM
Opposing mass hysteria over victimless crimes that could lead to ever more Internet censorship is "sickness"...  Sure...

Do you even make the tiniest effort to think rationally about this, or is your mind hopelessly stuck in a "bash whoever is not bashing pedophiles hard enough" loop?  Snap out of it!  Without freedom of information all other freedoms are meaningless!  And, like all prohibitions, it can be used to silence any political dissent - you may have "kiddy porn" on your computer right now and not even know it until you're in a prison cell!


sorry asshole, but you're ''free speech'' battle via: kiddy porn puts a big, self-imposed bullseye target on your back.....
you couldn't have picked a worse battle position if you tried.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: John Shaw on April 13, 2009, 11:23:02 AM
you couldn't have picked a worse battle position if you tried.

He did try.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: miamiballoonguy on April 13, 2009, 11:31:07 AM
There is something definately wrong with you for even thinking of this crap.

Everyone should keep their kids away from you at all costs.  There is nothing funny about molesting children.  You are a sick man.  Get some help before you get raped in prison.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Alex Libman on April 13, 2009, 11:40:28 AM
I've expressed many opinions on this BBS.  I was wrong a number of times, and I have admitted it when proven wrong.  This thread, on the other hand, remains - a triumph, in my mind, of philosophical satire against irrational emotion and peer pressure.  You have failed to make any points against free speech here, all you've done is make insults and threaten to initiate violence.  You fail.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: John Shaw on April 13, 2009, 11:43:36 AM
I've expressed many opinions on this BBS.  I was wrong a number of times, and I have admitted it when proven wrong.  This thread, on the other hand, remains - a triumph, in my mind, of philosophical satire against irrational emotion and peer pressure.  You have failed to make any points against free speech here, all you've done is make insults and threaten to initiate violence.  You fail.

Or you're just missing the fact that people understand your point perfectly, yet still find your actions personally distasteful and repellent.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Alex Libman on April 13, 2009, 12:06:13 PM
If that's the case, good for them, but the above replies make it seem like a lot of people either miss the point completely or prefer to err on the side of collective intolerance.

(And, to clarify, you mean my posts here, which in fact were intended to be distasteful and repellent.  There are no "actions".  My sexual ethics "in real life" are above reproach.)
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Soundwave on April 13, 2009, 12:23:39 PM
I won.

Uhhh...
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: kalmia on April 13, 2009, 12:25:54 PM
Don't you people feel sorry for Wayne, Torgo and Jason?
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Alex Libman on April 13, 2009, 12:34:57 PM
No one would be willing to get their permission to travel back in time to molest them as children, but at least someone would be willing to eat (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=23261.0) or violate (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=20734.0) their corpses...  :lol:
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: kalmia on April 13, 2009, 12:43:32 PM
Here you go, Alex

http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=28729.0
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Rillion on April 14, 2009, 01:02:37 PM
Ways of getting child pornography without molesting a child:

  • (1) Children posting images of themselves with no adults involved, like I did when I was ~15.

  • (2) Drawing / 3D modeling / photoshopping images.

  • (3) Emancipated minors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_of_minors) who can be as young as you care to imagine - emancipation from one's parents / guardians should be based on one's mental faculties and abilities, not accidents of chronology.

  • (4) Adults who look much younger than they really are, which could become more prevalent in the future (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=28489.0).

  • (5) Children getting permission from their parents - this one is controversial, I know.

  • (6) Kids who grow up / get emancipated from their parents and grant pardon to their "molester" (who was presumably prosecuted by their parents against the "victim's" wishes), thereby declaring that what happened was not a crime.

(There likely are other scenarios that I'm failing to think of.)

Yep, like (7) Acquiring child porn from someone else who did molest a child.  Or from somebody else who got it from that person, and so on down the line.  This seems to account for the vast majority of child porn convictions, and I don't think it should be against the law.  At least, not unless we also start outlawing photos depicting everything else that is illegal. 

The worst one (in terms of being against the law) is
Quote
(2) Drawing / 3D modeling / photoshopping images.

The opportunity for flagrant violations of free speech is staggering:
Quote
Bart, Lisa and Maggie Simpson are at the center of a legal case in Australia that ponders a bizarre — and slightly creepy — question: Are drawings that depict the younger members of the Simpsons clan engaged in carnal activities merely offensive and crude? or do they actually constitute child pornography?

Yesterday, an Australian judge ruled that such images are indeed illegal. The decision upholds the conviction of a man who was found guilty in February of possessing child pornography, after the offending cartoons (which were piracies and not official Simpsons ware) were discovered on his computer. It is not clear how or why the man was arrested, or whether his arrest was part of a larger sting operation.
-- http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/08/bart-simpson-child-pornography-and-free-speech/ (http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/08/bart-simpson-child-pornography-and-free-speech/)

I don't think, Alex, that there is something wrong with you for thinking in depth about the ramifications of child porn being illegal.  I do think that this thread was a really inappropriate way to discuss it. 

Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Low-Eight on April 14, 2009, 03:20:08 PM
This is a horrible, horrible little thread. . .
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Alex Libman on April 14, 2009, 05:19:52 PM
Of course.  It was the most "horrible" outlet for that idea I could think of at that time.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: ChristianAnarchist on May 07, 2009, 10:00:46 AM
There is something definately wrong with you for even thinking of this crap.

Everyone should keep their kids away from you at all costs.  There is nothing funny about molesting children.  You are a sick man.  Get some help before you get raped in prison.

Wow!  What a thread.  Still I have to chime in here in support of (surprise) Libman...

Back in my younger days (believe it or not before "child porn" was illegal) we had a porn mag called "Hustler" (maybe you've heard of it).  In it there was a funny comic strip called "Chester the molester".  It poked fun at molestation and quite frankly, I think we had a healthier view of child molestation back then.  Of course it was looked down upon and condemned as it should be, but we didn't elevate it to the level of murder either.  One can be a victim of molestation and go on to live healthy normal lives.  It's not the end of the world.  Indeed, look at how many people have admitted that they were molested as a child who are famous or wealthy today.  They managed some how.  We also had "bathroom books" which had funny comics in them about kids and sex.  Most still had many family members in the farming community and so the kids grew up watching the animals mating and everyone is bright enough to put 2+2 together and figure out what their "special purpose" is for.  "Boys will be boys" was what people said when some kid tried to get too fresh with his 14 year old neighbor and he would get a slap and maybe get in some level of trouble with the families involved, but the law was not called in to put him in jail and brand him for life with a letter "A" tatooed to his forehead (a reference to the book "Scarlett Letter" and the modern-day equivilant called "sexual-predator registration")...

Now if I had a daughter and some guy molested her I would take care of it the "old-fashioned" way (figure it out yourself...)
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Riddler on May 07, 2009, 11:08:04 AM
 
Now if I had a daughter and some guy molested her I would take care of it the "old-fashioned" way (figure it out yourself...)


One can be a victim of molestation and go on to live healthy normal lives.  It's not the end of the world.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Alex Libman 13 on May 07, 2009, 10:44:52 PM
Thanks, Gene.

And any parent / guardian whose child was molested obviously does have the right to seek justice.

This thread is about ridiculing thought-crime and nothing else.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Alex Libman 15 on September 23, 2009, 07:14:24 AM
Hmm, should I reset the poll to add...

(http://www.freetalklive.com/images/littledalebert.jpg) (http://www.freetalklive.com/about.php)

:lol:
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on September 23, 2009, 05:39:48 PM
 
Now if I had a daughter and some guy molested her I would take care of it the "old-fashioned" way (figure it out yourself...)


One can be a victim of molestation and go on to live healthy normal lives.  It's not the end of the world.

Not always :(

Thanks, Gene.

And any parent / guardian whose child was molested obviously does have the right to seek justice.

This thread is about ridiculing thought-crime and nothing else.


I used to have a copy of a magazine called "Novice" that was produced in France, and had ads for a magazine featuring what appeared to be nude 14 year old girls on one page.

If you're not attracted to 16 year old girls and you're attracted to women, there's something wrong with you.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Rillion on September 23, 2009, 05:43:03 PM
If you're not attracted to 16 year old girls and you're attracted to women, there's something wrong with you.

I find 16 year old boys repulsive in every way, yet I'm attracted to men.  Guess there must be something wrong with me. 
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Libertarianssuck on September 23, 2009, 05:44:47 PM
Quote
If you're not attracted to 16 year old girls and you're attracted to women, there's something wrong with you.

The physical yea there are definitely some girls I've seen who look gorgeous. Their personality though would kill the mood.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on September 24, 2009, 01:14:40 AM
If you're not attracted to 16 year old girls and you're attracted to women, there's something wrong with you.

I find 16 year old boys repulsive in every way, yet I'm attracted to men.  Guess there must be something wrong with me. 

because high school <B>girls</B> stay the same age while you keep on getting older
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: sandm000 on September 24, 2009, 09:25:53 AM
Quote
If you're not attracted to 16 year old girls and you're attracted to women, there's something wrong with you.

The physical yea there are definitely some girls I've seen who look gorgeous. Their personality though would kill the mood.
Which is why the ball gag was invented.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Rillion on September 24, 2009, 12:53:09 PM
If you're not attracted to 16 year old girls and you're attracted to women, there's something wrong with you.

I find 16 year old boys repulsive in every way, yet I'm attracted to men.  Guess there must be something wrong with me. 

because high school <B>girls</B> stay the same age while you keep on getting older

Thank you, Matthew McConaughey

(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d99/dasd52000/wooderson1.jpg)
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: miamiballoonguy on September 27, 2009, 07:12:20 AM
 
Now if I had a daughter and some guy molested her I would take care of it the "old-fashioned" way (figure it out yourself...)


One can be a victim of molestation and go on to live healthy normal lives.  It's not the end of the world.

yeah, but it takes years of therapy and love.  Sometimes the years of therapy take a lifetime.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Rillion on September 27, 2009, 11:25:13 AM
 
Now if I had a daughter and some guy molested her I would take care of it the "old-fashioned" way (figure it out yourself...)


One can be a victim of molestation and go on to live healthy normal lives.  It's not the end of the world.

yeah, but it takes years of therapy and love.

Not necessarily.  Sometimes it just takes shrugging and going on with life. 
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Alex Libman 15 on September 27, 2009, 03:15:56 PM
In semi-related news, POLANSKI ARRESTED IN ZURICH (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=30808.0).  :?
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Rillion on September 28, 2009, 09:33:09 AM
I can't see this topic come up without singing it in my head to the tune of "If I Were a Butterfly." (http://www.biblestudycharts.com/CH_If_I_Were_A_Butterfly.html)
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Alex Libman 15 on September 28, 2009, 11:06:08 AM
That's not creepy enough for this shock thread.  How about...

[youtube=425,350]8qd_eCmZnBI[/youtube]
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: DogCow on November 12, 2009, 09:14:24 AM
I love Julia, I would love to hear her on the show two or three nights a week.  She really makes FTL a better show when she's on, the show takes on a complete more complex character with her.

I have never met her and I understand that she is a bit camera shy.  She looks really young in all the pictures that I've seen. It's judging someone by their looks, but she seems responsible and intelegent and I enjoy her participation on the show.  She just looks like my sister when she was fourteen.  It just is, I don't mean that as a insult.

I couldn't molest any child because I don't feel sexual about any of them.  Julia looks like that to me in her pictures.  I really love her on the show and I'm sure I'd like her, she just looks so young.  I wonder if anyone else has thought of that or if she just doesn't photograph well... or there's lots of old picture up there of her.

Anyway... A follow up to the question should be how do you want to molest the person you chose.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on November 12, 2009, 11:43:59 AM
I'm thinking time travel, androids (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.I._Artificial_Intelligence), or holodecks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodeck).  :lol:
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Soundwave on November 14, 2009, 09:55:03 PM
I love Julia, I would love to hear her on the show two or three nights a week.  She really makes FTL a better show when she's on, the show takes on a complete more complex character with her.

I have never met her and I understand that she is a bit camera shy.  She looks really young in all the pictures that I've seen. It's judging someone by their looks, but she seems responsible and intelegent and I enjoy her participation on the show.  She just looks like my sister when she was fourteen.  It just is, I don't mean that as a insult.

I couldn't molest any child because I don't feel sexual about any of them.  Julia looks like that to me in her pictures.  I really love her on the show and I'm sure I'd like her, she just looks so young.  I wonder if anyone else has thought of that or if she just doesn't photograph well... or there's lots of old picture up there of her.

Anyway... A follow up to the question should be how do you want to molest the person you chose.

I hate pictures. The ones you've seen are at least three years old though. I look young, but not 14. Here's a more recent one:

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b129/Hoppapotamus/DSCF02701.jpg)

Thanks for the compliments though!
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Diogenes The Cynic on November 14, 2009, 11:16:42 PM


I hate pictures. The ones you've seen are at least three years old though. I look young, but not 14. Here's a more recent one:

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b129/Hoppapotamus/DSCF02701.jpg)

Thanks for the compliments though!

You're a cat? WTF?
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on November 15, 2009, 06:28:48 AM


I hate pictures. The ones you've seen are at least three years old though. I look young, but not 14. Here's a more recent one:

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b129/Hoppapotamus/DSCF02701.jpg)

Thanks for the compliments though!

You're a cat? WTF?

A declawed cat, no less.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Soundwave on November 16, 2009, 04:06:36 PM
Yes. I am a big fat fluffy orange cat.

MOW.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: rabidfurby on November 18, 2009, 12:38:40 AM
Yes. I am a big fat fluffy orange cat.

MOW.

Your owner is hot.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: kalmia on November 25, 2009, 03:15:23 AM
If you're not attracted to 16 year old girls and you're attracted to women, there's something wrong with you.

I find 16 year old boys repulsive in every way, yet I'm attracted to men.  Guess there must be something wrong with me. 

Men are generally attracted to women younger, and women are generally attracted to men who are older.

Attraction happens in well under a second.  Going through with anything involves more thought.  A guy isn't thinking about all the reasons why not when he initially sees her in the fraction of a second.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on November 25, 2009, 04:45:12 AM
Someone should tell Osborne (http://wiki.freetalklive.com/Jason_Osborne) that a bunch of forum nuts want his baby photo for the FTL CoHosts Page (http://www.freetalklive.com/about.php), so they could discuss the merits of traveling back through time to rape him.  :lol:
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Riddler on November 25, 2009, 05:08:57 PM
why does sick-fuck keep resurrecting this creepy thread...????
poss. cuz sick-fuck is ....wait for it....
 .....a sick fuck???
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on November 25, 2009, 05:29:01 PM
The last people to bump this thread after a week or more of silence were kalmia (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?action=profile;u=3897), DogCow (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?action=profile;u=3913), some guest account, and ChristianRealist (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?action=profile;u=733).
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Riddler on November 25, 2009, 08:24:13 PM
they feel the need to comment on sick-fuck's orig. post, i presume, although i know not why
you need therapy now, no less than when i suggested it a year or more ago..................
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on November 25, 2009, 10:51:23 PM
I don't think any therapists can afford what I'd charge for my time.  ;)
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Riddler on November 26, 2009, 08:10:24 AM
they'd assuredly prescribe a bullett
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on November 26, 2009, 08:28:20 AM
During the middle ages whistling on Sunday would result in the same verdict.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Diogenes The Cynic on November 26, 2009, 06:04:01 PM
You're hijacking the thread from its news factoid: the fact that Julia turned from a little girl into a house-cat.
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on November 26, 2009, 11:57:08 PM
If the government starts sentencing people for decades in jail for possession of nude kitty images, I will protest that with a shock-thread as well.  :roll:


EDIT - fresh meat, Little Josh:

(http://www.freetalklive.com/images/littlejosh.jpg) (http://www.freetalklive.com/about.php)

 :lol:
Title: Re: If you were a pedophile...
Post by: Bobbins on November 27, 2009, 06:32:58 AM
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3192/4chanfullofnormalpeopleom6.png)