No, you've got it now. Thats basically correct. The point is, it's a shitload of people. The ramifications of that influx would be huge.
The point I was making with reverse engineering the data is that it's easily visible after a few moments consideration that fifteen or 30 million cannot sprout into 750M, no way in hell. Not in fifty years, at least.
So, I got a little aggrivated to have to go over it a second time, more thoroughly, when all I was suggesting is a huge influx of people will cause a big strain on the legal citizens already here who are feeling the pinch of a steadily declining economy. The gymnastics reference was to cast an unfavorable light on people who will bend their arguments into ridiculous shapes to try to show their support for an embryonic theory of "Open borders=good/bad/maybe/love it" Its not actually against you, it was just a comment that fit the moment.
Personally, I would like to streamline the process and grant legal citizenship to anyone who requests it. But thats not open borders, thats closed borders. Open borders suggests to me that there would be no oversight whatsoever and people could just come and go with absolutely no process at all, like an open highway, just zoom right through.
That would be catastrophic.
Thanks for explaining everything. I'm still confused, though, how the 150M illegal immigrants in 50 years would be more of a burden on society proportionally then the 15M illegal immigrants now. I'm assuming that the legal population will grow at the same rate as the illegal population, to if 15M illegal immigrants now is ~5% of the total population, then in 50 years 150M will be ~5% of the total population. Are you saying that a greater population in general is more of a burden on society (i.e., on itself)?
A burden on society... Okay, watch this...
Well, wouldn't you suppose the number crunchers expect their calculations to rise gradualy?
Spikes in any scenario throw everything off. Inflation is based upon population, as is every calculation the government uses to suck your taxes out of your pocket.
A rapid influx of lower strata population is definately gonna raise your taxes. Cant deny that.
Look man, I'm paying mega-taxes. There will be no sudden shift in my salary/tax bracket to the lower side. Never.
<gloves off> I do not wanna pay for these motherfuckers.
Okay?
Sorry if that is an inarticulate and unimaginative expression of my opinion, but me first. My money MINE!!
I simply dont give a shit about open borders if I have to live in poverty to help Juan escape from one barrio to another. Juans plight is not my problem. He can smoke crack in mexico. I can't live freely here. Why should I give a fuck where other people life in poverty if I am shouldering their burden?
Why cannot they strive for excellence in mexico?
Is there no capitalism in mexico?
Do you honestly expect me to believe in 2007 the people of mexico are incapable of using their wits to rise above their plight?
Fuck them. No, seriously... FUCK THEM. I work or I die. But they don't? The Mexican border means very little anymore. Capitalism is exploding in mexico, probably faster than it is here...
You know what we're taking across the border?
The losers.
Everybody knows money reigns supreme in mexico. The mexicans who make money will never come here, never. People who have cash to spend run into mexico like their asses are on fire. Because their dollars are worth more there.
So, we have an exodus of wealth going south, an exodus of losers coming north, and I'm expected to be happy about it?
Bull-fuckin-shit.
I'm never gonna be grateful about absorbing the mexican losers into the lower strata of the welfare system. And if you want to open the doors fully to a bank robbery, you're crazy.
That is simple debate on economics and theory, Mike Barsky, nothing more. I have no problem with individual people of any ethnicity. Just for the record.