Well, just remember this: For every pair who arrive here and are capable of producing offspring, they will equal ten or so within fifty years.
This means - by a factor of five - the fifteen million (or more) illegals will equal approximately 75 million by the year 2057, if they completely sealed the borders right now.
You could easily double that if you allowed the open borders, which means half the current population as it stands now, half of the entire population of this country, will put a nice big strain on the entire infrastructure as it currently stands. Traffic, hospitals, welfare/social security, the school systems, the utility network into metro areas, all would be maxed out, and that doesnt include the other 300,000,000 who will be breeding the whole time.
I'd like to see some progression tables of population. I'll bet we're looking at a total population of around 3/4 of a BILLION people by around 2060, maybe 2070 - and thats not taking into account longevity due to scientific breakthroughs.
Sounds like a hoot. I'm glad I'll be dead by then.
This doesn't make any sense. You're suggesting that if we close the borders right now, the current illegal immigrant population would grow five-fold in 50 years, and then you double this figure for some reason, and then you compare that to the rest of the population as it is now, without the same growth of 50 years. Are you suggesting that every pair of illegal immigrants who arrive here and are capable of producing offspring will equal ten or so within fifty years, but every pair of legal American citizens who are capable of producing offspring will not equal ten or so within fifty years? And if you double the illegal population, why don't you at least double the current legal population (let alone what the legal population would have grown to in the same 50 years)? If you closed the border right now, the illegal population as a percentage of the entire population would remain approximately the same (or lessen considerably if you consider current rules of naturalization by birth).
It makes perfect sense. Two people have children, take the cliche of 2.5 kids per family. Those 2 people now equal 4 or 5. So, those 2 or 3 children, 25 years after birth, each have 2 kids. That is eight to ten children and grandchildren plus the original immigrants. Given some benefit of the doubt, it is simple to have fifteen million people turn into 75 million within fifty years, if thats too hard to understand, just go to a family reunion some time.
Now. If theres fifteen million here now, I think its safe to assume the influx of immigrants would double the current number of illegals... or "un-illegals" if the borders are open. So, fifteen million doubles, and so do the number of siblings in fifty years, which would total 150,000,000 as opposed to the 75,000,000 in my scenario.
Its really not that difficult.
And if you would bother to reverse engineer the results of my hypotheses, you'd easily see the 300,000,000 is factored into the total. Fifteen to 30 million cannot suddenly become 750,000,000 without the help of the segment of the 300mil that are of the child bearing age, which I figured at about 25 to 30%. Old people dont reproduce, neither do children.
So, before you go into all sorts of contorted gymnastics in defense of your little pet projects, you should consider that these were obviously rubbery numbers to begin with, but they are certainly sizeable no matter how close they are to the truth, and I'm sure its not TOO far afield.
The end result is a huge population shift, period. So, better start saving your pennies, because you're gonna be paying some pretty steep taxes over the next few decades, as well as not having the social security returned to you that you've paid into for five decades.
Well, just remember this: For every pair who arrive here and are capable of producing offspring, they will equal ten or so within fifty years.
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Most likely, they will not equal ten or so in fifty years. A household's fertility decision is strongly determined by the opportunity cost of having children - i.e., the cost of everything foregone in favor of a given choice.
The biggest opportunity cost of having children is time, because it takes a lot of time to raise a child. As the parents' time becomes more valuable due to economic advancement, the opportunity cost of having offspring increases (as measured in foregone earned income), creating a very strong tendency not to have offspring.
Bullshit. Sorry. If you are trying to tell me there is a slower population growth in areas of economic instability, you are completely wrong. It is equal or faster than the average middle income two parent household. I can think of three grandparents who are 40 or younger right off the top of my head.
Name them? Sure thing. Michelle, Morris, and my acquaintance Jen's mom. Three seperate families.
Secondly, Latinos are predominantly Catholic. This means they are less likely to view abortion as an option. This has major significance over that large a population. Birth control is sketchy at best in underprivileged economic situations, and sex is recreational at a younger age, school dropouts are high, and this equals street education versus formalized education. Sex Ed doesnt happen until puberty begins normally around 9th grade, and this is when dropouts begin in any numerical significance. This means street sisters are looking up at older more experienced chicks to learn their lessons from, and that is the most dubious form of education there is.
You need to understand one thing, these people do not take day trips to the Misses institute for kicks, they lead hardscrabble lives for years until they finally get their shit together. They gravitate to the inner cities where rent is cheap or they seek out day labor to scratch by on. They come here on a wing and a prayer and struggle their asses off, having kids they can't afford, its a shitty life. Maybe better than where they came from, true.
But they rarely have the privilege of hitting up a college buddy that has a pull out couch in the basement they can call home for a few months. People who have no actual address cant get good work, and they cant get a home without having employment. Its a vicious cycle.