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Let's rephrase the wifi question to, "Is it bad to use another person's bandwidth, with his/her active/explicit permission?"

Yes.
- 4 (15.4%)
No.
- 14 (53.8%)
Maybe.
- 4 (15.4%)
Why do I need permission?
- 4 (15.4%)
I don't get it.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 7


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Re: I'm in your wifi, using your bandwidth, with your permission
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2006, 03:58:44 AM »

Now back on the argument.  Stealing is always stealing.  If you have someone's explicit permission to use their property, you are not stealing.  Its a gift.
I put the word "Stealing" in quotes in my other poll to denote the fact that it's arguable whether or not any real theft is taking place, but stealing is the word used to refer to it for the sake of brevity.

"Stealing" is not always stealing. Stealing is theft, theft is involuntary deprival of property rights, property rights are ownership, ownership is absolute irresponsible control. Still with me? As long as the person still has absolute control of their shit, they still retain ownership, if ownership is retained than no property rights violation has taken place, and thus, there is no theft.

Stealing wifi isn't depriving anyone of property. It's accessing something they own that they gave you access to (implicitly).


And I don't think materiality/physicality is relevant to whether you can own something or not. Scarcity is. Bandwidth is scarce, so you can own bandwidth. That said, if you're giving it away, you're giving up ownership of it.
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Re: I'm in your wifi, using your bandwidth, with your permission
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2007, 12:58:15 PM »

WIFI use without permission? If that is the question. My answer is this. If you leave the access open. You are giving them permisson. Is it wrong to do so without asking. NO. Your not stealing anythig. Look at it like a radio. No one pays to listen to it. But most have at least 1. Are you stealing the Radio waves? NO. They are open for anyone who buys a radio. So if you by a Wifi router. Your the radio Station. Your putting out the wave. And anyone who pays for a Lap top with wireless card. Or a PC card to get a wireliess conection. They bought a radio for there pc. So again. Your there Station.
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Re: I'm in your wifi, using your bandwidth, with your permission
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2007, 02:12:49 PM »

WIFI use without permission? If that is the question. My answer is this. If you leave the access open. You are giving them permisson. Is it wrong to do so without asking. NO. Your not stealing anythig. Look at it like a radio. No one pays to listen to it. But most have at least 1. Are you stealing the Radio waves? NO. They are open for anyone who buys a radio. So if you by a Wifi router. Your the radio Station. Your putting out the wave. And anyone who pays for a Lap top with wireless card. Or a PC card to get a wireliess conection. They bought a radio for there pc. So again. Your there Station.

That's a good point, but its in the wrong thread. The topic for this thread is "Is it bad to use another person's bandwidth, with his/her active/explicit permission?"
Earthwormzim created this thread to prove a point that we were already 'discussing' on another thread.

Its 15 pages of us going round and round in circles, but if it interests you, knock yourself out.
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=10456.0
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Re: I'm in your wifi, using your bandwidth, with your permission
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2007, 03:29:29 PM »

LOL glad you liked the point.  8) dose it realy matter that I responded to this post instead of the other ? And should I read each and every post to make sure I'm not starting a new post on same subject. Or to make sure my post gose were you think it should? If you liked the point and understood it. then my work is done. Dosen't matter were I post it.
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