"By proxy"? That's a load of BS. Most people wouldn't even be aware that this sort of thing could happen. And I'm sure none of them would agree that simply because they did not know better, that it automatically "by proxy" gives you permission to come in and steel their bandwidth.
Oh, yay, here's that "most people wouldn't agree" arguement AGAIN. Second time in two days. I swear, if democracy created reality we'd be living in fucking heaven on earth. It doesn't. That arguement demonstrates nothing that rebuts or refutes what I said.
No democracy here.
There is the implication that what the majority of people think is right is what's right. If not democracy itself, it's an idea very similar to democracy.
If you let anybody in, anyone can get in. If you let someone in that has the correct username and password, anyone with the UN/PW combo can get in.
If you don't encrypt your wifi, anyone can get in. If you let someone in that has the correct WEP key, anyone with the WEP key can get in.
Just because I don't lock my door, it does not mean you're welcome in my house.
Stealing wifi is not tresspassing on another's property. They brought their property to you, you're talking about taking me to your property. Very different situation. Stop using this analogy.
Stealing wifi isn't hacking. The router, as part of it's normal, user-expected function, authorizes access. Now, if someone changes the settings on the router or buffer-overflow attacks your computer or whatever, that's different. That's the hacker taking control of the device away from you. This doesn't happen with stealing wifi. You retain total control over that router.
Rebutted.
Where?
Hell...let's make all theft legal...if the person being stolen from didn't take all imaginable necessary precautions to thwart every type of theft known to man, no matter how technologically knowledgable or scientifically knowledgable it would require them to be, then they are just getting their just desserts, right? The victim is the one to blame.
My focus isn't on taking a measure to prevent it. It's on ownership. Ownership is absolute control. If you give control of your connection to a box that doesn't know any better, whatever that box does within the control you delegated to it is your fault. Taking control of that little box away from you would violate your ownership. Letting you keep control of that box and asking the box to do things for you (which you can tell it "yes do this, don't do that", and provided the programming wasn't altered by the hacker, which I don't do) does not violate your ownership of that wifi router.
So, this automatically validates anyone's claim having the right to steal from people who don't know all the in's and out's of the property they own?
Stealing wifi isn't really stealing. It's just the word that's used to refer to the action. No actual theft is involved. Your claim assumes that theft is involved.
How the hell does any of this have anything to do with "freedom of speech"? Lol. Maybe I missed something! And yes, there, I was talking about the resource of power, but in the case of stealing bandwidth, I'm talking about the resource of bandwidth.
Freedom of speech = I can broadcast whatever I want, be it via speech, wifi, radio, TV, writing a book, whatever. Because I have freedom of speech on my Wifi adapter, I can broadcast whatever I want from that wifi adapter. If it evokes a response from your hardware that I'm looking for, that's your fault for setting up the hardware to do that and not telling it not to do so. I'm not tresspassing or anything. I'm just talking somewhere on the 2.4 GHz EM range through a computer, and listening for responses. Everything else happens completely on your end, where you retain complete control. And if I'm tapping into your wifi, I'm really just talking. I have the right to do so.
If I own a wifi router, why can't I simply say, "No one has permission to use this, but me," even if I don't take the necessary steps to prevent others from going against my will, and doing so anyways?
Nobody is "using" your router. In a strict sense, I'm just sitting here reading and spewing out radio signals. Your router is choosing to pick up on my signals (a decision made, through ignorance or intention, by you) and send back some information I'm looking for. Why don't you get a dog, let the dog run around the neighborhood, and then throw a fucking hissy fit when the neighbor pets your dog? You want it all to yourself, keep it on your property and don't let it off. That applies to dogs and wifi signals.
It is my property,
The router. Not the signals it emits. They become mine when they fly through my property.
and even if I don't set a password, or what-have-you, I still have not given you expressed consent to use my property.
No, but you're giving all these wifi signals. Which is the thing I'm really interested in that you keep giving me.
Are you really that disrespectful that you'd just ignore what I said, and steal my bandwidth anyways, with that "by proxy" excuse?
Look. Here's how I see things.
Me ---> My computer ---> Wifi anteanna ||||||||| property line |||||||||| Wifi antenna ---> Wifi router ---> Your internet connection.
What is on the left side of the property line is mine. What is on the right side of the property line is yours.
What is yours stays yours and under your complete control the entire time, unless you make it mine.
Your wifi antenna (extension of you) keeps giving my wifi antenna (extension of me) signals.
That's transfer of ownership from you to me via transfer of location via propogation of a wave through space.
I assume that if you pollute my property with radio waves, you do not mind if I pollute your property with radio waves.
I transfer ownership of my waves to you via tansfer of location via propogation of a wave through space.
My wifi antenna (extension of me) keeps giving your wifi antenna (extension of you) signals.
What I do with the signals on my property is strictly my business and strictly under my control at all times.
What you do with the signals on your property is strictly your business and strictly under you control at all times.
No violation of property rights is occuring. I am not forcefully or fraudulently depriving of you of life, liberty, nor property when I do this.
It is a coincidence which works greatly to my favor when your wifi antenna recieves the waves on your property which originate with my antenna, and uses it's available connections to find the server with the data I want, and use it's antenna to convert that data into waves which it sends to me. The internet side is entirely YOUR problem, existing entirely on YOUR end, involving exclusively YOUR property.