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Title: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: sillyperson on September 27, 2006, 09:03:53 PM
I make no bones about it, I think Gardner adds a LOT to the show, by virtue of his freakishly encyclopedic knowledge of History, the Constitution, and legal precedents. In that way, he's almost exactly the opposite of Ian and Mark.

On top of it all, he's a principled anarchocapitalist "Free-Marketeer", like Ian, but not so in-your-face.... rather, he comes off almost as a "moderate", like Mark. He makes anarchocapitalism digestible to the general population.

Last but not least, the whole dynamic of the show was more enjoyable with Gardner on. Maybe just because Gardner stopped Ian and Mark bitching at each other like an old married couple ;)

Yay Gardner!

Anyways, that's my take. What say y'all?
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: castle_chaser on September 27, 2006, 09:29:38 PM
I make no bones about it, I think Gardner adds a LOT to the show, by virtue of his freakishly encyclopedic knowledge of History, the Constitution, and legal precedents. In that way, he's almost exactly the opposite of Ian and Mark.

On top of it all, he's a principled anarchocapitalist "Free-Marketeer", like Ian, but not so in-your-face.... rather, he comes off almost as a "moderate", like Mark. He makes anarchocapitalism digestible to the general population.

Last but not least, the whole dynamic of the show was more enjoyable with Gardner on. Maybe just because Gardner stopped Ian and Mark bitching at each other like an old married couple ;)

Yay Gardner!

Anyways, that's my take. What say y'all?

We love Gard!!! Listened to him in manchvegus for as long as he was on.... He should do every show.

Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: sillyperson on September 27, 2006, 10:09:22 PM
We love Gard!!! Listened to him in manchvegus for as long as he was on....
He's still on WNTK (http://www.wntk.com), right???
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: Jason Rand on September 27, 2006, 10:35:51 PM
That was the first time I've heard Gardner, and I like his style a lot.  We had two listeners who called in from SL tonight and both made excellent points.  One of the great things about the Gimme Liberty Bar scene is that you can continue discussing an issue in chat after and/or during the show.   

Others are more entertained by the "gays, gernades, and ganja" (which turned out to be the theme the other night), so there is something for everyone.

We're going to have a little party tomorrow night to celebrate hitting 100 members in our Free State Project group (92 now, so we'll hit 100 by the end of the night almost certainly).  Come join us!
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: atheistshawn on September 28, 2006, 12:46:26 PM
Great great great show!  I loved it.  I listen to Gard all the time on WNTK and I am a huge fan of show.  I think he added so much to FTL, he would be the perfect co-host.  Although whoever voted to fire Mark is damn crazy, mark kicks ass also.  The three of them make a great team, although I think the drive to Keene is a bit of a commute for Gard.
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: burnthebeautiful on September 28, 2006, 06:20:00 PM
Isn't Gardners show 3 hours? I don't know if he could/would do 3 hours of FTL on top of that on a regular basis.
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: Porcupine_in_MA on September 28, 2006, 07:20:02 PM
I voted for regular co-host. I think him joining FTL would be great. Even once or twice a week would be great.
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: atheistshawn on September 28, 2006, 08:57:41 PM
They could have him on the Sat. show. 
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: Violajess on September 29, 2006, 01:00:48 AM
They could have him on the Sat. show. 

Ditto. Although I think a Co-Host extravaganza with Mark, Torgo, Melissa, Johnson, Jason, Mike D, and Gard would be a bit more interesting
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: One two three on September 29, 2006, 11:18:19 AM
GG Smith rocks!  I love that he actually knows something about good music!  Punk lives! Yeah, I am just so happy!  I think 2 or so times per month would be best.  Remember, FTL should get another co-host next year, anyway.
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: sillyperson on September 29, 2006, 02:29:55 PM
2 or so times per month would be best
Nowhere near enough. I want weekly, dammit!
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: One two three on September 29, 2006, 11:07:34 PM
2 or so times per month would be best
Nowhere near enough. I want weekly, dammit!

That would be good, but GG Smith already has 2 jobs.  I mean come on...  I think you should start calling in on a certain night every week so you can become an unoffical co-host :)
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: sparkie on September 30, 2006, 03:01:36 AM
I got the feeling from the show that both Ian and Mark were glad to have another co-host to 'bounce' off.

With Ian and Mark living in the same house and spending 6 nights a week working together it is not going to be long before the interaction between them becomes stale without the opinions of co-hosts. As Johnson, Torgo, Melissa and Jason all stated that they were all moving to New Hampshire at some stage in the future I wonder how their plans are coming along?
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: Porcupine_in_MA on September 30, 2006, 09:48:49 PM
As Johnson, Torgo, Melissa and Jason all stated that they were all moving to New Hampshire at some stage in the future I wonder how their plans are coming along?

Although I don't agree about their interaction becoming stale I was wondering about this also. I miss the co-hosts.
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: FTL_Ian on September 30, 2006, 10:52:26 PM
Is it that hard to email them and ask?   :P
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: sillyperson on October 01, 2006, 02:04:42 PM
Is it that hard to email them and ask?   :P
Done.
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: Johnson on October 02, 2006, 02:22:22 AM
I said it on air, I believe. January 1st (roundabouts). I think I am the only one who has set a date.
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: Porcupine_in_MA on October 02, 2006, 09:06:15 AM
I said it on air, I believe. January 1st (roundabouts). I think I am the only one who has set a date.

Great to hear! Make sure to notify Janepuke so she will know where to move in NH to be close to you. She is your biggest fan afterall. In all seriousness though, where in NH are you planning on moving?
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: Johnson on October 02, 2006, 12:01:11 PM
Keene makes sense.
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: One two three on October 02, 2006, 01:48:46 PM
Keene makes sense.

How so?  Do you have a job there?  If not, you could move to a place like Hillsboro and work in Concord 5 days a week and help co-host in Keene 6 nights per week :)
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: Johnson on October 02, 2006, 02:20:25 PM
First Question: Yes. Free Talk Live.

Next: Why would I want to destroy an hour and a half 2+ hours of my day every day by living in Hillsboro?
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: Rillion on October 02, 2006, 02:37:43 PM
I'd like to teach at Dartmouth.  But the sad thing is that if the FSP takes hold, it would most likely put me out of a job. 
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: sillyperson on October 02, 2006, 02:43:49 PM
I'd like to teach at Dartmouth.  But the sad thing is that if the FSP takes hold, it would most likely put me out of a job. 
Now, now... Dartmouth has a great brand visibility and reputation. It would almost certainly function as a profitable business.
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: Rillion on October 02, 2006, 03:15:18 PM
I'd like to teach at Dartmouth.  But the sad thing is that if the FSP takes hold, it would most likely put me out of a job. 
Now, now... Dartmouth has a great brand visibility and reputation. It would almost certainly function as a profitable business.

Some departments might.  I'm pessimistic about the chances of any discipline that relies on ideas that the general population does not accept (for example, evolution). 
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: sillyperson on October 02, 2006, 03:47:02 PM
ideas that the general population does not accept (for example, evolution). 
Jeez, where do you live that the majority of people believe Creationism? Kansas?
No.. wait... I don't even want to know :P
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: Johnson on October 02, 2006, 03:48:50 PM
Well, she probably lives somewhere in the United States.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43957
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: sillyperson on October 02, 2006, 03:59:25 PM
Well, she probably lives somewhere in the United States.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43957
Well, that's it.
I am finally in favor of secession!
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: Johnson on October 02, 2006, 04:01:35 PM
Many Libertarians moving to the Free State will be devout christians
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: Rillion on October 02, 2006, 04:02:46 PM
ideas that the general population does not accept (for example, evolution). 
Jeez, where do you live that the majority of people believe Creationism? Kansas?
No.. wait... I don't even want to know :P

About a third of the population rejects evolution outright, and over half of the population believes that it is "guided by God" (which arguably means they don't really understand it).  Something like half the U.S. population believes that the story of Noah in the Bible, with the global flood and two pairs of every existing animal on a boat, is true....which amounts to rejecting evolution (if you're charitable, or reality itself if you're not) if you really think about it. 

Of the Western industrial world, only Turkey has a lower acceptance rate of evolution than the U.S.A.   We've got a pretty crap record no matter how you look at it.   

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Many Libertarians moving to the Free State will be devout christians

Yes, and that frightens me. 
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: sillyperson on October 02, 2006, 04:31:46 PM
Many Libertarians moving to the Free State will be devout christians
will be ARE
They include Russ, Kat, Jason Sorens (when he finally moves), and others.
Now that I have met and chatted with these folks... well, I used to be viciously, rabidly and vocally anti-christian.
Now that I have met some pretty smart people who do NOT use their religion as an excuse to stampede my rights.... I'm a viciously, rabidly, nonconfrontationally quiet anti-christian.
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: One two three on October 02, 2006, 04:37:02 PM
I'd like to teach at Dartmouth.  But the sad thing is that if the FSP takes hold, it would most likely put me out of a job. 

I don't get it. How will that put you out a job?  Also, you must be quite good at something if you think you can get a job at one of the world's top universities.
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: One two three on October 02, 2006, 04:41:58 PM
First Question: Yes. Free Talk Live.

Next: Why would I want to destroy an hour and a half 2+ hours of my day every day by living in Hillsboro?

Well, I was kidding.  I don't want you being on FTL 6 days per week.  I also think you should look at other places besides Keene.  Hillsboro is a very short drive from Concord during good weather (less than 30 min for me) so it is in cummting distance to lots of places (45 min from Keene, 50 min to Manchester).  I was just throwing it out there.
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: Rillion on October 02, 2006, 04:53:33 PM
I'd like to teach at Dartmouth.  But the sad thing is that if the FSP takes hold, it would most likely put me out of a job. 

I don't get it. How will that put you out a job?  Also, you must be quite good at something if you think you can get a job at one of the world's top universities.

If universities cease to use any government funding (which is the libertarian ideal) then only those departments which prove themselves marketable will make a profit, and hence justify their existence.  There are philanthropists, of course, but they have only so much money to go around...and often their interests are questionable (see for example the Templeton Foundation: http://www.templeton.org/).  Therefore, if your discipline is an area which does not turn out graduates who are immediately big producers, there wouldn't be much call for you to teach them.  That would include most of the humanities, arts, social sciences, etc...and even many of the "hard" sciences.  People take out loans and work for years and years to get graduate degrees in these areas, but under a libtertarian system it appears that the job market for them would be even more slim. 

I don't know if I could get a job teaching at Dartmouth, but it would seem like a good idea since it would mean simultaneously pursuing my own career and pursuing the ideal of libertarianism in NH.  However, the irony is that if such an effort should be successful, it would ultimately be self-defeating. 
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: Porcupine_in_MA on October 02, 2006, 06:21:33 PM
I'd like to teach at Dartmouth.  But the sad thing is that if the FSP takes hold, it would most likely put me out of a job. 

We all have to make sacrifices for liberty don't we?
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: Porcupine_in_MA on October 02, 2006, 06:23:44 PM
I honestly doubt that if libertarianism were to be the prevailing way of life in New Hampshire that teaching of the arts would suffer. There will always be a market for it, just a slightly different market because it won't be assumed that it will be supported no matter what at everyone elses expense.
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: Porcupine_in_MA on October 02, 2006, 06:26:25 PM
Yes, and that frightens me. 

As long as they're libertarians what does it matter as to whether or not they are devout Christians?
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: Johnson on October 02, 2006, 07:43:23 PM
b/c religious beliefs are often in conflict with freedom.

IE: Being Anti-Homesexual, or being anti-choice. (especially when they try to argue that a fetus is not only a fullblown human being, but one that has rights that trump those of another human being)

Many Libertarians have some very concerning beliefs. If you don't think so, you haven't listened to Neal Boortz or Larry Elder talk about how they feel about the Iraq war.

To say you are libertarian, is not the same as understanding the Libertarian philosophy and to strive to become more principled.

I'm willing to go there to get down to these issues though... At least most Libertarians understand that the other stuff is a non-issue, the schools need to be privatized... taxes need to go away... etc etc...

Just because we are gathering those who will agree and get done MOST of what needs to get done, doesn't mean I won't be still concerned that there will be problems that remain once we have taken care of the other stuff first....
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: Soundwave on October 02, 2006, 07:56:49 PM
First Question: Yes. Free Talk Live.

Next: Why would I want to destroy an hour and a half 2+ hours of my day every day by living in Hillsboro?

Well, I was kidding.  I don't want you being on FTL 6 days per week.  I also think you should look at other places besides Keene.  Hillsboro is a very short drive from Concord during good weather (less than 30 min for me) so it is in cummting distance to lots of places (45 min from Keene, 50 min to Manchester).  I was just throwing it out there.

You just don't like Keene. It's very nice here. Commuting sucks.
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: burnthebeautiful on October 02, 2006, 08:09:17 PM
Keene makes sense.

I reccomend not deciding until you have driven around the state and visited the different regions. As I said in the Mark hating NH thread, I pretty much despised southern NH, or at least Dover, Portsmouth and Manchester, which were the 3 southern towns I visited. Simultaneously, I loved every town I visted in the mountains/lakes region.
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: Porcupine_in_MA on October 02, 2006, 08:33:41 PM
b/c religious beliefs are often in conflict with freedom.

IE: Being Anti-Homesexual, or being anti-choice. (especially when they try to argue that a fetus is not only a fullblown human being, but one that has rights that trump those of another human being)

Many Libertarians have some very concerning beliefs. If you don't think so, you haven't listened to Neal Boortz or Larry Elder talk about how they feel about the Iraq war.

To say you are libertarian, is not the same as understanding the Libertarian philosophy and to strive to become more principled.

I'm willing to go there to get down to these issues though... At least most Libertarians understand that the other stuff is a non-issue, the schools need to be privatized... taxes need to go away... etc etc...

Just because we are gathering those who will agree and get done MOST of what needs to get done, doesn't mean I won't be still concerned that there will be problems that remain once we have taken care of the other stuff first....


Sorry, but those aren't particularly "religious" beliefs. A lot of folk have those prejudices, and I wouldn't worry about devout Christians who are FSP members being anything but what I think of as real libertarians as opposed to Larry Elder and Neal Boortz which have some libertarian opinions but I don't consider to be real libertarians. I am devoutly religious but not Christian or even monotheistic for that matter. I would say all of my beliefs are completely inline with freedom. I've met many devout Christians who would never dream of imposing their beliefs on others, several of them felllow Porcupines.
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: Porcupine_in_MA on October 02, 2006, 08:36:00 PM
Keene makes sense.

I reccomend not deciding until you have driven around the state and visited the different regions. As I said in the Mark hating NH thread, I pretty much despised southern NH, or at least Dover, Portsmouth and Manchester, which were the 3 southern towns I visited. Simultaneously, I loved every town I visted in the mountains/lakes region.

Do you know for sure that he hasn't driven around already and has just decided that he likes Keene the most?
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: burnthebeautiful on October 02, 2006, 09:33:30 PM
Keene makes sense.

I reccomend not deciding until you have driven around the state and visited the different regions. As I said in the Mark hating NH thread, I pretty much despised southern NH, or at least Dover, Portsmouth and Manchester, which were the 3 southern towns I visited. Simultaneously, I loved every town I visted in the mountains/lakes region.

Do you know for sure that he hasn't driven around already and has just decided that he likes Keene the most?

I don't know that for sure, no. I haven't heard Ian or Mark mention anything about having travelled around. As I understand it, Ian and Mark researched different towns/areas online and decided on Keene and bought the house before they'd even visited the state. If they've visited anywhere else, it's been since they moved, and they've been busy, so...
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: koolaide on October 02, 2006, 11:23:52 PM
I thought he was great. In fact, it was probably one of the best FTLs I've heard in quite a long time.
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: Johnson on October 02, 2006, 11:40:43 PM
I have no interest in living in any particular area of New Hampshire to be honest. I really don't care. I'm a homebody when I need to be, and when I like to go out... I like Urban areas... L.A., Venice, Boston, NYC, Paris. These are the CITIES I like. In NH, it really doesn't matter where I live, becuase I'm not really going to like the area... I'm just not a big pussy, like Mark. I'll find NEW ways to make myself happy. I grew up in CT, NH seems to have plenty of woods... and Keene is a college town... I forsee paintball, and various wargames in my future... along with hiking and outdoor photography possible... who knows.

I'll be more happy when hopefully in 20 years after we have legalized Gambling, Prostitution, and Marijuana, that somewhere in NH will become the New Las Vegas.

(no indian reservations needed)


Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: One two three on October 03, 2006, 12:06:16 AM
Then you should think of Manchester.  It is already known by the cool people as Manchvegas.  It has tons of stuff to do and is very urban in feel.  It has an international airport, tons of 1 way roads and red lights, lots of highways and interstates, a large and growing population of people that are either not from America or had parents from somewhere else (this should be 30% of the population in the next few years or so), and an exciting social life.  The biggest music and sports acts either come to the city or right next to it.  For example, they have pro-sports games (Boston sports teams) in the city, their own pro-sports games, pretty much any big music act, one of the the biggest motorcycle rally less than an hour north, one of the biggest nascar events around 30 min north, and the biggest acts in entertainment either to the city or somewhere within 30 min. like Bill Cosby just over the border in MA.  Concord for the political stuff is only 20 min north and Boston is less than an hour south.
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: Johnson on October 03, 2006, 12:07:47 AM
Sports and Bill Cosby? You really do hate me don't you.
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: One two three on October 03, 2006, 12:34:55 AM
Sports and Bill Cosby? You really do hate me don't you.

Doug Stanhope just did 2 shows in different parts of MA, Dave Atel is about to do NH, and George Carlin is about to do just over the MA line from NH

Country music stars, a 3 day christian music festival, tons of punk bands, and the biggest name in metal are all in or near NH. 

Actually, all of these things are not removed from Keene, either.  The last two New England Warped Tour stops were both 45 min from Keene.
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: Johnson on October 03, 2006, 12:36:05 AM
According to last estimates the population of the most populous city in NH is that Manchester has 109,691 people....

by comparison:

Manchester: 109,691
Keene: 22,778
Sarasota: 53,711
Danbury, CT: 78,736 (My Home Town)

Bath, Me: 9,257           (The towns I went to my boarding High School in)
Woodstock, CT: 1,211   

I am well acquianted with low populations... by comparision... THIS is what an URBAN population looks like

Los Angeles: 9,519,338
NYC: 8,104,079
Chicago: 2,869,121
Boston: 3,406,829
Las Vegas: 1,563,282

I don't even really consider Tampa on the map of "real cities"
and it has 2,395,997 people.... I don't consider it like a real city becuase when you compare density from Tampa (2,707.8 people per square mile (in 2000)) to Chicago (12,750.3 people per square mile (2000)) It's QUITE a difference.

So, as you can see... it doesn't really matter what the population of a town in NH is.. its SUBurban at BEST.

I'll be fine... I grew up in the woods really... Danbury is where I spent most of my time... but my home was in Redding... (8,270) so there's my life living in small towns ... by the numbers.


Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: One two three on October 03, 2006, 12:53:14 AM
I don't understand your way of thinking.  I live in one of the largest cities in America.  I think it is #17 or so.  It has less around 700,000 people.  The MSA population of Boston is several millions and around 10% of those people live in NH.  Like I said, Machester is less than an hour from Boston (during low traffic times) and Nashua is 20 min closer.  Of course, Nashua is also part of the Boston MSA and so are many towns in NH and northern MA.  These towns actually function very similar to Boston when it comes to entertainment.  In fact, in some ways, they tend to get bigger acts and draw more people because of the expense and traffic problems of Boston.  They also hold many of the college towns the Boston MSA is famous for, like U of MA and U of NH.  So, unless you are talking about downtown living, the way most people look at it, extreme southern NH is Boston MSA.  It is like saying that people in northeastern NJ are in the NYC MSA or people in the northern county of DE are in the Philly MSA.
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: FTL_Ian on October 03, 2006, 01:04:22 AM
Keith, why not just give up?  Keene is where it's at.   8)
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: Johnson on October 03, 2006, 01:15:09 AM
Manchester: 3,308.4 persons per square mile
Boston: 11,543 persons per square mile

Not comparable... whatever "MSA" supposedly means... I think NOTHING is probably accurate.


Anyway... Keene is keen.
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: One two three on October 03, 2006, 01:20:47 AM
Manchester: 3,308.4 persons per square mile
Boston: 11,543 persons per square mile

Not comparable... whatever "MSA" supposedly means... I think NOTHING is probably accurate.


Anyway... Keene is keen.
[/quote

This is MSA

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Boston: 3,406,829

This or something similar is city-
Boston: 500,000

Move to Keene if you want, I just want everyone to understand, that compared to how the vast majority of people live, NH has very urban areas.  It is not all a small town boring place like Keene.
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: Skooma on October 03, 2006, 02:08:07 AM
I'm keen on Keene.
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: Rillion on October 03, 2006, 06:20:25 AM
I'd like to teach at Dartmouth.  But the sad thing is that if the FSP takes hold, it would most likely put me out of a job. 

We all have to make sacrifices for liberty don't we?

Liberty hasn't happened yet in New Hampshire.  You're telling me to make a choice to abandon nine years of higher education, the accompanying financial investment, and my ideal career to live in a state which might become a little bit more free over a very long period of time.  Uh, no. 

Such slogans might make more sense to somebody without much to lose. 
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: sillyperson on October 03, 2006, 07:14:34 AM
From the purely political (as in, the guys who set the rules for the guys with guns) standpoint, I have come to the conclusion that it's not a bad thing at all for a shitload of FTLers to move to Keene. Just kicking out the 4 reps you have and replacing them with non-authoritarians would be a nice step forward. We still need lots of freedom-lovers in other parts of the state, especially the south, ESPECIALLY Nashua and environs, and to a lesser degree in Concord as well.
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: FTL_Ian on October 03, 2006, 12:32:58 PM
Move to Keene if you want, I just want everyone to understand, that compared to how the vast majority of people live, NH has very urban areas.  It is not all a small town boring place like Keene.

You really have an axe to grind about Keene, don't you?  I think people are capable of doing their own research into what they want.  If so, they'll discover that Keene is not a "small town".  Keene has all the amenities of a city, just in a more compressed space.  I have all the shopping I could want within 2 miles from my house.  Just this Sunday Jullia and I shopped at Walmart, KBToys, Target, Dick's Sporting Goods, Bed Bath and Beyond, GameStop, and Price Chopper.  Also nearby are Circuit City, Home Depot, JC Penney, Borders Books, and more.

Towns are places with a few thousand population and limited commerce.  In a town you usually have to drive for a bit before getting to shopping like I described above.  There are towns around Keene, but Keene does not qualify as a town, in my mind.  It's a small city.
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: sillyperson on October 03, 2006, 01:33:29 PM
Move to Keene if you want, I just want everyone to understand, that compared to how the vast majority of people live, NH has very urban areas.  It is not all a small town boring place like Keene.
You really have an axe to grind about Keene, don't you?
Actually Ian, I got the impression he was just saying that if Mark wants "city", in the urban-with-nightlife sense, that is also available in NH.
(as several of us have been telling Mark from the get-go)

Now, back on the topic of the thread... how about getting Mark to take Gard's spot on WNTK, and Gard takes Mark's spot on FTL?
Viola! Multiple problems solved:
* Mark can live in Manch-vegas and still commute to his radio gig
* FTL gets a really cool co-host -- the dynamic between you guys is a formula for success
* Mark can always co-host one or two nights a week
* No more "FTL sounds like an old married couple" syndrome (which Ian is going a praiseworthy job of avoiding, by the way, but everyone has a limit)
* Gard brings in the Big Names (he has contacts all over), Ian brings the hipness and smoove talking

Mark: you *know* I am a fan of yours, and I know if you stay through to the legislative session, you WILL be a major, positive force for freedom in this state. "Mark my words!"
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: burnthebeautiful on October 03, 2006, 01:41:17 PM
Manchester has a strip club, a hooters, and when I was there you could get your car washed by cheerleaders. What more could an allegedly straight man want?

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Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: Rillion on October 03, 2006, 03:16:59 PM
An on-topic post:  I think Gardner rocks.  He knows what he is talking about, and has great radio voice, personality, and presence.  Get him on the show more often if you can!
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: FTL_Ian on October 03, 2006, 03:43:15 PM
Denis,

Thanks for the suggestions.  So you know, Mark has been to Manch and Nashua, and he prefers Keene.  Plus, no one wants to commute to work if they don't have to.  Gardner HATES his drive.  That's time that could be spent doing productive things, instead of just burning fuel.
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: Porcupine_in_MA on October 03, 2006, 06:33:55 PM
Liberty hasn't happened yet in New Hampshire.  You're telling me to make a choice to abandon nine years of higher education, the accompanying financial investment, and my ideal career to live in a state which might become a little bit more free over a very long period of time.  Uh, no. 

Such slogans might make more sense to somebody without much to lose. 

Yeah no shit, I KNOW it hasn't happened yet, but saying that you may lose your education job because you would work at a state university and state involvement in education would be done away with if FSPers became completely in charge as a reason for not moving to New Hampshire just doesn't hold water.  A little more free? A little more free than it is already (which it is already very free) would be a lot more free than wherever you live now let me tell you. Plus you don't know how free we all can make it with the amount of people already moved and moving there.
 Like I already posted, liberal arts aren't just going to disappear even in completely privately run and owned institutions of higher learning, because they're not as profitable as business or the sciences.
 Believe me it is worth it to move to a place where other libertarians are all there fighting for freedom and you wouldn't necessarily be "abandoning" anything by the move.
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: One two three on October 03, 2006, 10:56:36 PM
Denis,

Plus, no one wants to commute to work if they don't have to.  Gardner HATES his drive.  That's time that could be spent doing productive things, instead of just burning fuel.

That's one thing I don't get.  Lots of us in large urban areas do lots of commuting.  Sure, maybe in the 90s it sucked but now we have podcasts.  Commuting is a great time to make some phone calls (like my weekly calls to various members of my family) or listen to podcasts.  I try to combine it with trips to Fedex, the gym, or the store so it is even less bad.  Heck, I've even called FTL while driving :)  Make sure you have bumper stickers on your car so that you are being an activist while you drive :)
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: FTL_Ian on October 04, 2006, 12:47:39 PM
No, it still sucks even with celphones and podcasts.  If you love your commute, I think you're sick in the head.  What commuter wouldn't give it up if he had the chance?
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: One two three on October 04, 2006, 01:01:41 PM
I don't love it.  I just wanted to live in the nicest (safest/lowest cost) area I can find within 45 min of all the stuff I want to do (jobs, schools, friends, family, gyms, bars, venues, stores) and it just never happens to be near all of those things.  Commuting used to be a fact of life for a lot of people that was not fun, now it is a lot better.
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: sillyperson on October 04, 2006, 01:55:45 PM
Denis,
Thanks for the suggestions.

lol... that's a bit more diplomatic than my posts warranted, but thanks :D

Plus, no one wants to commute to work if they don't have to.  Gardner HATES his drive.  That's time that could be spent doing productive things, instead of just burning fuel.
No, it still sucks even with celphones and podcasts.  If you love your commute, I think you're sick in the head.  What commuter wouldn't give it up if he had the chance?

I used to think the same thing, really.

Now I commute 2 times a week (sometimes none, sometimes 3, but usually 2 times) from Concord to Nashua. It's about 45 minutes each way, and it's gorgeous. It it weren't for the commute, I would hear maybe 1 FTL per week instead of 5 or 6.

Plus, my FREE-NH license plate, NHFree bumper sticker, FSP bumper sticker, and (starting next week) NHLA bumper sticker really do get pro-liberty messages in front of NH natives, which is a Good Thing.

Garder has a LOONG commute that he has to do EVERY DAY.
It's possible to commue a few times a week, and that's much more manageable.
Plus I drive a hybrid-electric vehicle. It sucks to burn gas, but at 60 MPG, I'm not burning all that much ;)
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: Johnson on October 04, 2006, 02:34:24 PM
No, it still sucks even with celphones and podcasts.  If you love your commute, I think you're sick in the head.  What commuter wouldn't give it up if he had the chance?

I smell a new show topic that may get callers. (I personally love driving... I loved listening to the radio while I used to have an hour drive to work a long time ago.. )

Granted, I'd have preferred to be free to not have to drop 2 hours every day... but the drive can be enjoyable. Really, nowadays though... the worst part about any commute is the ridiculous price of gas.

Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: One two three on October 04, 2006, 02:41:26 PM
Granted, I'd have preferred to be free to not have to drop 2 hours every day... but the drive can be enjoyable. Really, nowadays though... the worst part about any commute is the ridiculous price of gas.



Ridiculously low?  It costs around $2.10 around here.  That is not bad at all.  Maybe if it was $4.50 or something I would be really upset.
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: Johnson on October 04, 2006, 02:44:30 PM
Next time you are setting money on fire... can you send some my way?  :D

edit: granted 2.10 is not bad when you consider nationwide prices, but I remember when I filled up a tank in Georgia for .85 per gallon not too many years ago.
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: sillyperson on October 04, 2006, 03:30:59 PM
I remember when I filled up a tank in Georgia for .85 per gallon
Grampaw, can you tell us about when you were young, and people didn't even have MP3 players?
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: Johnson on October 04, 2006, 03:37:01 PM
Yeah, we had audio cassette tapes instead of mp3 players, and atari 2600s were our game consoles. It was a golden age called "The 80s"

(although I got the .85 cent gas in '98)
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: Rillion on October 04, 2006, 03:43:20 PM
Yeah, we had audio cassette tapes instead of mp3 players

Wait a sec, aren't you 28 or something?  No records?   :)

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and atari 2600s were our game consoles. It was a golden age called "The 80s"

Favorite games:  Maze Craze, Adventure, Breakout, Combat
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: Johnson on October 04, 2006, 04:04:06 PM
Records were more of a 60's / 70's thing... by the 80's it was about 8 Tracks, and Cassette tapes... Records has already started to go the way of being a tool for only DJ's and connesieurs. Records are going away even further now adays with the introduction of: http://www.stantondj.com/v2/fs/fs2_vid_pop.html
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: One two three on October 04, 2006, 10:55:05 PM
Next time you are setting money on fire... can you send some my way?  :D

edit: granted 2.10 is not bad when you consider nationwide prices, but I remember when I filled up a tank in Georgia for .85 per gallon not too many years ago.

Last I paid was 2.05 and it is even lower now (I just said 2.10 because that is more of an average of local stations).  On my commute home tonight, I was on hold with FTL the entire time.  I'd say that is a good use of a drive :)

Update:  And I meant to say that I remember buying gas at 99cents.  However, just because it used to be 99cents does not mean twice that is very high or anything.
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: sillyperson on October 04, 2006, 11:00:40 PM
On my commute home tonight, I was on hold with FTL the entire time.
Hey.. I never thought of it, but that's a sneaky way to listen to FTL Live, while you're not actually in range of an FTL-broadcasting station. Just call in, get put on hold, and ta-da, you're listening to the show. Just tell whoever answers the phone that your name is Glenn in Missouri, and you can be safely on hold the whole time ;)
Title: Re: Garder 'El G Gande' Goldsmith
Post by: Soundwave on October 07, 2006, 09:43:28 PM
Yeah, we had audio cassette tapes instead of mp3 players

Wait a sec, aren't you 28 or something?  No records?   :)

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and atari 2600s were our game consoles. It was a golden age called "The 80s"

Favorite games:  Maze Craze, Adventure, Breakout, Combat

Worst game ever: ET