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Free Talk Live => The Polling Pit => Topic started by: Charles on December 17, 2006, 05:07:45 PM
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I'm curious as to everyone else's opinion on the subject.
I think they do more harm than good because they bring an element of paranoia and sometimes violence instead of focusing on making real executable changes.
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I agree, but for me it's mainly about reputation. The FSP has already sketched out some native New HampshirewhateverthefucktheadjectiveforsomebodyfromNHiss without associating with chemtrails/timecube/9.11 truth/NWO freaks, and I'd hate to see what would happen if they did.
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I really think it depends on the person. Most of the conspiracy theorists on thie bbs aren't just about conspiracy theories. The FSP should work with anyone who wants to reduce the size of government. The conspiracy theorists we shouldn't be working with are the ones that want to replace the people in power with their people. I don't think that conspiracy theorists that place enough emphasis on the inherent evils of government are a bad thing for the FSP.
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The FSP should work with anyone who wants to reduce the size of government.
The Liberty Reform Caucus says the same thing about the LP though. Different people want to reduce the size of government different amounts...
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The problem with bringing conspiracy theorists on board is they tend to be leftists. Since the LP isnt gonna make big strides in the immediate future (I think it's got about three more terms in the Oval before they really make some waves) the CT's would be more purposeful in the Dems corner, and voting the GOP down.
IMO, you really dont want leftists in the LP.
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The FSP should work with anyone who wants to reduce the size of government.
The Liberty Reform Caucus says the same thing about the LP though. Different people want to reduce the size of government different amounts...
I guess I mean that we just want people who want smaller government to move to NH. They're a lot easier to convince.
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The problem with bringing conspiracy theorists on board is they tend to be leftists. Since the LP isnt gonna make big strides in the immediate future (I think it's got about three more terms in the Oval before they really make some waves) the CT's would be more purposeful in the Dems corner, and voting the GOP down.
IMO, you really dont want leftists in the LP.
Right of course we don't want leftists but there aren't just leftist CT's
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The problem with bringing conspiracy theorists on board is they tend to be leftists. Since the LP isnt gonna make big strides in the immediate future (I think it's got about three more terms in the Oval before they really make some waves) the CT's would be more purposeful in the Dems corner, and voting the GOP down.
IMO, you really dont want leftists in the LP.
Right of course we don't want leftists but there aren't just leftist CT's
Name one right wing CT and then use it in the following sentence: "I would like [..........] to become active in NH politics under the FSP".
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If New Hampshire becomes the Conspiracy Theorist State than I'm not moving there. This song sums it up for me.
You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're doing what we can
But when you want money
for people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
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It depends on the individual. As long as the FSP, the organization itself, doesn't endorse the conspiracy theories then I don't see what the big deal is. I'm pretty sure the majority of FSP members aren't conspiracy theorists anyway.
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The problem with bringing conspiracy theorists on board is they tend to be leftists. Since the LP isnt gonna make big strides in the immediate future (I think it's got about three more terms in the Oval before they really make some waves) the CT's would be more purposeful in the Dems corner, and voting the GOP down.
IMO, you really dont want leftists in the LP.
Right of course we don't want leftists but there aren't just leftist CT's
Name one right wing CT and then use it in the following sentence: "I would like [..........] to become active in NH politics under the FSP".
Obviously not I meant like on this bbs there are people that espouse certain conpsiracy theories but don't let that get in the way of the principles of the FSP and libertarianism.
Right, Charles I agree that we don't want NH to become the CT state but I don't think that any person that espouses a CT should automatically be shunned from joining the FSP. I don't think you were suggesting that but I just want to clarify my position.
It depends on the individual. As long as the FSP, the organization itself, doesn't endorse the conspiracy theories then I don't see what the big deal is. I'm pretty sure the majority of FSP members aren't conspiracy theorists anyway.
What he said.
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Conspiracy theorists already have North Idaho. They don't need NH.
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Like I've said before, most of the super-activists in NH right now are aware of and/or promote the 9-11 truth info. Sorry folks. The shit is real. Although, I won't speak for anyone specifically, but everyone that cares can see their views at nhfree.com. It's fine that some don't want 9-11 truthers in the fsp, but the vast majority of them(anti-truthers) aren't in NH and are just talkers, so who cares? Go ahead and cut off our pro-freedom brethren in the truth camp. We'll just tell the liberty lovers that care about justice to go to the WY FSP. Apparently the fsp isn't about liberty, it's about egos.
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Being aware of the movement doesn't make you part of it. I'm aware of it but I still think it's a waste of time.
Care about justice? That's hilarious how picky and choosey you guys are. You'll go after the Bush administration in particular when each administration that can be remembered by anyone alive has performed the act of growing government that oftentimes resulted in the death and imprisonment of citizens. Seriously, if you're gonna start holding government accountable, why aren't you starting at your local and state levels where it's more likely to actually get some justice?
It seems like some new born libertarian from the liberal side bullshit to me. People just wanting to be pissed at some evil republican empire.
If CT are directly tied into the FSP and the libertarian movement it will be harder to get more people in it. So it is about promoting liberty...preventing conspiracy theorists from scaring people away with their paranoia.
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It's fine that some don't want 9-11 truthers in the fsp, but the vast majority of them(anti-truthers)
Nice. Apparently now anyone who disagrees with you is "anti-truth", huh?
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It's fine that some don't want 9-11 truthers in the fsp, but the vast majority of them(anti-truthers)
Nice. Apparently now anyone who disagrees with you is "anti-truth", huh?
I think you mean pro-lies
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It's fine that some don't want 9-11 truthers in the fsp, but the vast majority of them(anti-truthers)
Nice. Apparently now anyone who disagrees with you is "anti-truth", huh?
I think you mean pro-lies
Oh man...If I could give you like +10 I would.
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It seems like some new born libertarian from the liberal side bullshit to me. People just wanting to be pissed at some evil republican empire.
It looks like the 911 mantra is from the left, but if you look into it you will notice it's coming from the far right. The 9-11 movement, the core of it, is mostly filled with antifederalists, paleoconservatives, and minarchists.
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Eh...you'd have to prove that one to me. I'd be willing to believe that, but what I've seen on Wikipedia with the scholars for truth is that they're a bunch of angry liberals.
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It seems like some new born libertarian from the liberal side bullshit to me. People just wanting to be pissed at some evil republican empire.
It looks like the 911 mantra is from the left, but if you look into it you will notice it's coming from the far right. The 9-11 movement, the core of it, is mostly filled with antifederalists, paleoconservatives, and minarchists.
Paleoconservatives and minarchists? Yeah right.
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I've meet communist 9/11 truthers. Seriously, left wing assholes, the majority of truthers are.
(Been watching Star Wars Have I)
but to be fair, you also live in a socialist hell hole.
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I think they do more harm than good
I think you do more harm than good!
Ian's handling of the issue is perfect - he debunks the obvious idiots, but maintains an open mind, as well as a rational distance from the government-sanctioned myths. You, on the other hand, are an annoying little brat who can rarely offer any constructive counterpoints, but you bitch and whine nonetheless whenever the issue comes up on the forum. If you can't tolerate free speech, don't bother coming to New Hampshire!
And there are a lot more of us than you imagine, most of us just don't like to rehash it every day. If it wasn't for the anti-9/11-truth sentiment on this BBS, some people I know would AMP (http://freetalklive.com/AMP.php)`ing 3x as much!
HampshirewhateverthefucktheadjectiveforsomebodyfromNHiss
"Newhampshiremen" (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=10314.0)
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Ian's handling of the issue is perfect - he debunks the obvious idiots, but maintains an open mind, as well as a rational distance from the government-sanctioned myths.
People call Ian out for that all the fucking time on the bbs for that. Just check the show section and you can see it for yourself. They definitely don't have your back.
You, on the other hand, are an annoying little brat who can rarely offer any constructive counterpoints, but you bitch and whine nonetheless whenever the issue comes up on the forum. If you can't tolerate free speech, don't bother coming to New Hampshire!
I've heard enough from the CTs and from the official story and have formed my own opinion. I take a stance that follows neither; therefore, I'm an annoying little brat? You're only five years older than me after all. I've argued Red for pages upon pages in the 9/11 thread using evidence that you claim is from the government to try and cover it up? What the fuck am I supposed to do?
I bitch and whine when people make 5 topics about the fucking thing. It's fucking stupid. I'm gonna maintain that stance. It clutters the board. Stop being a douche.
Also, claiming I don't tolerate free speech is complete bullshit. I don't think the government should do anything to shut down free speech, but I still don't think people should spout bullshit. You're being petty. Besides, if New Hampshire becomes some kind of haven for these extremists than I'll move elsewhere.
And there are a lot more of us than you imagine, most of us just don't like to rehash it every day. If it wasn't for the anti-9/11-truth sentiment on this BBS, some people I know would AMP`ing 3x as much!
Yeah? If Libertarians are seen as combining with crazies like the conspiracy theorists (who you admitted to being mostly crazy) we'll lose even more momentum than we have now. Just look at that Zogby poll that showed people agreeing with the libertarian principles, but when the word libertarian was in it they said they weren't interested.
What people would be amping 3 times as much because other people who listen to the show don't drink the Alex Jones kool-aid? Frankly, those people are
idiots.
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Every group of people has their set of kooks to deal with. I mean, to most people, we're the kooks. Do people really care if us kooks have a subset of even kookier kooks hanging out with us? The solution is simple, push our kooks to the back of the room, just like the right wing kooks hide their bible thumpers, and the left wing kooks hide their Animal Liberation Front/PETA folks.
Lesson learned: Hide your kooks.
Secret message for the conspiracy folks:
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Oh, and Fnord. For whatever it's worth.
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Please stop. Please. You really really bore the rest of us. No one cares about the lizard people who rule the world but you. Just go to your little conventions, wear your fifty dollar shield hats that make you feel safer than aluminum foil because they cost you fifty bucks, and spare the rest of us your nonsensical garbage unless you actually have something to add to the cause of freedom. (Like taking some sort of action, for instance.) Go to the back of the room and be grateful we let you hang around for chips + dip.
OK, fine. I didn't come here to evangelize on the 9/11 issue, far from it. I just made the mistake of adding my two cents from time to time. I think I'll stop doing that because it's hopeless, polarized between shallow demagogues on both popular sides of the question. What I've come to understand, deep down in my mind, will always stay with me, especially the unambiguous things like Putin's triggers for war in Chechnya. But if I have to choose between the Free State Project and unpopular government-sponsored terrorism investigation movements, I'll choose FSP any day of the week! There is light in the end of the FSP tunnel. I would just really, really hate to see this light extinguished by government's most likely solution to the FSP if it ever goes far enough: blowing up some government buildings in NH and blaming it on the radical Free Staters. This is the only reason why I still care about the matter, and, having said that, I see no reason for me to revisit the issue in the future.
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Please stop. Please. You really really bore the rest of us. No one cares about the lizard people who rule the world but you. Just go to your little conventions, wear your fifty dollar shield hats that make you feel safer than aluminum foil because they cost you fifty bucks, and spare the rest of us your nonsensical garbage unless you actually have something to add to the cause of freedom. (Like taking some sort of action, for instance.) Go to the back of the room and be grateful we let you hang around for chips + dip.
OK, fine. I didn't come here to evangelize on the 9/11 issue, far from it. I just made the mistake of adding my two cents from time to time. I think I'll stop doing that because it's hopeless, polarized between shallow demagogues on both popular sides of the question. What I've come to understand, deep down in my mind, will always stay with me, especially the unambiguous things like Putin's triggers for war in Chechnya. But if I have to choose between the Free State Project and unpopular government-sponsored terrorism investigation movements, I'll choose FSP any day of the week! There is light in the end of the FSP tunnel. I would just really, really hate to see this light extinguished by government's most likely solution to the FSP if it ever goes far enough: blowing up some government buildings in NH and blaming it on the radical Free Staters. This is the only reason why I still care about the matter, and, having said that, I see no reason for me to revisit the issue in the future.
That is a very rational and reasonable response. I hope you understand my little comment was meant partly in good humor. It's just that... We KNOW they're bad. and we KNOW they will do whatever they can get away with to find the means to their ends. It's just that sensationalism detracts from the bigger picture. So please, believe what you want, say what you want, and I'll have your back, but man, keep the "Crazy talk! Crazy talk!" as down low as you can. Even if it ain't so crazy.