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Should the FSP work with Conspiracy Theorists?

They do more harm than good
We need all the help we can get
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cerpntaxt

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Re: FSP with Conspiracy Theorists?
« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2006, 01:58:22 AM »

It's fine that some don't want 9-11 truthers in the fsp, but the vast majority of them(anti-truthers)

Nice. Apparently now anyone who disagrees with you is "anti-truth", huh?
I think you mean pro-lies
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Charles

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Re: FSP with Conspiracy Theorists?
« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2006, 02:01:53 AM »

It's fine that some don't want 9-11 truthers in the fsp, but the vast majority of them(anti-truthers)

Nice. Apparently now anyone who disagrees with you is "anti-truth", huh?
I think you mean pro-lies


Oh man...If I could give you like +10 I would.
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dagnome

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Re: FSP with Conspiracy Theorists?
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2006, 01:15:45 PM »

It seems like some new born libertarian from the liberal side bullshit to me.  People just wanting to be pissed at some evil republican empire.

It looks like the 911 mantra is from the left, but if you look into it you will notice it's coming from the far right. The 9-11 movement, the core of it, is mostly filled with antifederalists, paleoconservatives, and minarchists.
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Charles

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« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2006, 05:32:48 PM »

Eh...you'd have to prove that one to me.  I'd be willing to believe that, but what I've seen on Wikipedia with the scholars for truth is that they're a bunch of angry liberals.
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Taors

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Re: FSP with Conspiracy Theorists?
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2006, 05:59:24 PM »

It seems like some new born libertarian from the liberal side bullshit to me.  People just wanting to be pissed at some evil republican empire.

It looks like the 911 mantra is from the left, but if you look into it you will notice it's coming from the far right. The 9-11 movement, the core of it, is mostly filled with antifederalists, paleoconservatives, and minarchists.

Paleoconservatives and minarchists? Yeah right.
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bakerbaker

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Re: FSP with Conspiracy Theorists?
« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2006, 02:01:33 AM »

I've meet communist 9/11 truthers. Seriously, left wing assholes, the majority of truthers are.

(Been watching Star Wars Have I)

but to be fair, you also live in a socialist hell hole.
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AlexLibman

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Re: FSP with Conspiracy Theorists?
« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2006, 02:30:30 AM »

I think they do more harm than good

I think you do more harm than good!

Ian's handling of the issue is perfect - he debunks the obvious idiots, but maintains an open mind, as well as a rational distance from the government-sanctioned myths.  You, on the other hand, are an annoying little brat who can rarely offer any constructive counterpoints, but you bitch and whine nonetheless whenever the issue comes up on the forum.  If you can't tolerate free speech, don't bother coming to New Hampshire!

And there are a lot more of us than you imagine, most of us just don't like to rehash it every day.  If it wasn't for the anti-9/11-truth sentiment on this BBS, some people I know would AMP`ing 3x as much!


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Charles

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Re: FSP with Conspiracy Theorists?
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2006, 03:23:34 AM »

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Ian's handling of the issue is perfect - he debunks the obvious idiots, but maintains an open mind, as well as a rational distance from the government-sanctioned myths.

People call Ian out for that all the fucking time on the bbs for that.  Just check the show section and you can see it for yourself.  They definitely don't have your back.


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You, on the other hand, are an annoying little brat who can rarely offer any constructive counterpoints, but you bitch and whine nonetheless whenever the issue comes up on the forum.  If you can't tolerate free speech, don't bother coming to New Hampshire!

I've heard enough from the CTs and from the official story and have formed my own opinion.  I take a stance that follows neither; therefore, I'm an annoying little brat?  You're only five years older than me after all.  I've argued Red for pages upon pages in the 9/11 thread using evidence that you claim is from the government to try and cover it up?  What the fuck am I supposed to do?

I bitch and whine when people make 5 topics about the fucking thing.  It's fucking stupid.  I'm gonna maintain that stance.  It clutters the board.  Stop being a douche.

Also, claiming I don't tolerate free speech is complete bullshit.  I don't think the government should do anything to shut down free speech, but I still don't think people should spout bullshit.  You're being petty.  Besides, if New Hampshire becomes some kind of haven for these extremists than I'll move elsewhere.

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And there are a lot more of us than you imagine, most of us just don't like to rehash it every day.  If it wasn't for the anti-9/11-truth sentiment on this BBS, some people I know would AMP`ing 3x as much!

Yeah?  If Libertarians are seen as combining with crazies like the conspiracy theorists (who you admitted to being mostly crazy) we'll lose even more momentum than we have now.  Just look at that Zogby poll that showed people agreeing with the libertarian principles, but when the word libertarian was in it they said they weren't interested.

What people would be amping 3 times as much because other people who listen to the show don't drink the Alex Jones kool-aid?  Frankly, those people are
idiots.
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Re: FSP with Conspiracy Theorists?
« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2006, 01:17:50 PM »

Every group of people has their set of kooks to deal with. I mean, to most people, we're the kooks. Do people really care if us kooks have a subset of even kookier kooks hanging out with us? The solution is simple, push our kooks to the back of the room, just like the right wing kooks hide their bible thumpers, and the left wing kooks hide their Animal Liberation Front/PETA folks.

Lesson learned: Hide your kooks.

Secret message for the conspiracy folks:

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Oh, and Fnord. For whatever it's worth.
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AlexLibman

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« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2006, 02:08:04 PM »

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Please stop. Please. You really really bore the rest of us. No one cares about the lizard people who rule the world but you. Just go to your little conventions, wear your fifty dollar shield hats that make you feel safer than aluminum foil because they cost you fifty bucks, and spare the rest of us your nonsensical garbage unless you actually have something to add to the cause of freedom. (Like taking some sort of action, for instance.) Go to the back of the room and be grateful we let you hang around for chips + dip.

OK, fine.  I didn't come here to evangelize on the 9/11 issue, far from it.  I just made the mistake of adding my two cents from time to time.  I think I'll stop doing that because it's hopeless, polarized between shallow demagogues on both popular sides of the question.  What I've come to understand, deep down in my mind, will always stay with me, especially the unambiguous things like Putin's triggers for war in Chechnya.  But if I have to choose between the Free State Project and unpopular government-sponsored terrorism investigation movements, I'll choose FSP any day of the week!  There is light in the end of the FSP tunnel.  I would just really, really hate to see this light extinguished by government's most likely solution to the FSP if it ever goes far enough: blowing up some government buildings in NH and blaming it on the radical Free Staters.  This is the only reason why I still care about the matter, and, having said that, I see no reason for me to revisit the issue in the future.
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Re: FSP with Conspiracy Theorists?
« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2006, 02:29:05 PM »

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Please stop. Please. You really really bore the rest of us. No one cares about the lizard people who rule the world but you. Just go to your little conventions, wear your fifty dollar shield hats that make you feel safer than aluminum foil because they cost you fifty bucks, and spare the rest of us your nonsensical garbage unless you actually have something to add to the cause of freedom. (Like taking some sort of action, for instance.) Go to the back of the room and be grateful we let you hang around for chips + dip.

OK, fine.  I didn't come here to evangelize on the 9/11 issue, far from it.  I just made the mistake of adding my two cents from time to time.  I think I'll stop doing that because it's hopeless, polarized between shallow demagogues on both popular sides of the question.  What I've come to understand, deep down in my mind, will always stay with me, especially the unambiguous things like Putin's triggers for war in Chechnya.  But if I have to choose between the Free State Project and unpopular government-sponsored terrorism investigation movements, I'll choose FSP any day of the week!  There is light in the end of the FSP tunnel.  I would just really, really hate to see this light extinguished by government's most likely solution to the FSP if it ever goes far enough: blowing up some government buildings in NH and blaming it on the radical Free Staters.  This is the only reason why I still care about the matter, and, having said that, I see no reason for me to revisit the issue in the future.



That is a very rational and reasonable response. I hope you understand my little comment was meant partly in good humor. It's just that... We KNOW they're bad. and we KNOW they will do whatever they can get away with to find the means to their ends. It's just that sensationalism detracts from the bigger picture. So please, believe what you want, say what you want, and I'll have your back, but man, keep the "Crazy talk! Crazy talk!" as down low as you can. Even if it ain't so crazy.
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