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Brent

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FSP: is bigger always better?
« on: December 04, 2006, 11:10:53 AM »

I have a friend who is considering the Free State Project, which is good.  Unfortunately, despite my attempts to expain libertarianism to him, he doesn't get it.  Basically, he wants the War on Drugs to end, but likes the idea of Universal Health Care.  I'm trying to decide whether to encourage or discourage him with respect to the FSP.
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Re: FSP: is bigger always better?
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2006, 11:17:16 AM »

I sometimes go to Boston and pass out copies of the Keene Free Press there.
In Boston, about 90% of the people I meet are statists, so the purpose is intentionally to tell them how terribly backwards and uncivilized it is in New Hampshire, what with the general lack of regulations, taxes, and "safety laws". Just reminding them they DON'T want to live there :D

P.S. Have you signed the First1000 yet?

Minsk

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Re: FSP: is bigger always better?
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2006, 11:33:44 AM »

I propose they should focus on quality. That way when lazy folks like me finally dawdle in things will be well in hand, *and* there will be lots of room to live :D
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AlexLibman

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Re: FSP: is bigger always better?
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2006, 12:35:31 PM »

Commies welcome!

After all, not all forms of communism / communalism are viral.  Most modern commies just want to pool their resources into one "gift economy", to which each contributes according to his ability, and from which each can take according to his need.  (Stupid, I know.)

The same applies to other religious cults as well..  If they can create themselves their little utopia without taxing or adversely affecting others, which they should understand is an impossibility, why not welcome them with open arms?

And you can't look at all FSP participants as equals, some are there for quality leadership, while others are there for quantity of support.  Those things are not mutually exclusive.  As a matter a fact, it's natural that 20% of the Free Staters will have 80% of the impact, while the majority will just want to sit at home, get high (or whatever their motivation is), and hopefully remember to vote.
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Re: FSP: is bigger always better?
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2006, 01:39:10 PM »

We have a man undercover whose job it is to get the commies for state sovereignty to move to Vermont.  I think it's a good plan.
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Taors

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Re: FSP: is bigger always better?
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2006, 01:56:41 PM »

Man...I don't want to have to walk down the street and see a bunch of kids wearing Che shirts and red star military caps. :(
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AlexLibman

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Re: FSP: is bigger always better?
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2006, 04:44:19 PM »

Man...I don't want to have to walk down the street and see a bunch of kids wearing Che shirts and red star military caps. :(

Neither do I, but freedom of speech requires tolerance of idiots.  Though if you make your property an idiot-free zone and only hang out at private idiot-free clubs, you can pretty much avoid them indefinitely.
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Taors

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Re: FSP: is bigger always better?
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2006, 06:29:50 PM »

Man...I don't want to have to walk down the street and see a bunch of kids wearing Che shirts and red star military caps. :(

Neither do I, but freedom of speech requires tolerance of idiots.  Though if you make your property an idiot-free zone and only hang out at private idiot-free clubs, you can pretty much avoid them indefinitely.


I agree. I just think they should be ridiculed.
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Re: FSP: is bigger always better?
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2006, 07:39:02 PM »

Man...I don't want to have to walk down the street and see a bunch of kids wearing Che shirts and red star military caps. :(

Neither do I, but freedom of speech requires tolerance of idiots.  Though if you make your property an idiot-free zone and only hang out at private idiot-free clubs, you can pretty much avoid them indefinitely.


I agree. I just think they should be ridiculed.

Free speech allows them to be idiots, but forunately allows for ridicule too!
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Taors

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Re: FSP: is bigger always better?
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2006, 08:12:31 PM »

Man...I don't want to have to walk down the street and see a bunch of kids wearing Che shirts and red star military caps. :(

Neither do I, but freedom of speech requires tolerance of idiots.  Though if you make your property an idiot-free zone and only hang out at private idiot-free clubs, you can pretty much avoid them indefinitely.


I agree. I just think they should be ridiculed.

Free speech allows them to be idiots, but forunately allows for ridicule too!

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Porcupine_in_MA

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Re: FSP: is bigger always better?
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2006, 01:47:01 AM »

Quality AND quantity..and commies stay home and the commies that live there now? They need to join the Move to California Project someone thought up on the NHFree message board.
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AlexLibman

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Re: FSP: is bigger always better?
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2006, 02:01:38 AM »

The biggest reservation I've always had about the Free State Project is the existing socialists who already live there.  We don't want them to end up like the Palestinians, do we?   :|

(That comparison is stupid for a zillion different reasons, but still - they can make a lot of noise.)
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Re: FSP: is bigger always better?
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2006, 01:17:50 PM »

yeah, and we can all just tell them to trek across the border, into massachusetts.  Then you'll be able to call a few of them out on their hypocrisy, when they start complaining that they don't want to be taxed out the ass.   :P
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Re: FSP: is bigger always better?
« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2006, 01:29:06 PM »

I don't see how a collectivist could truthfully promise to work to promote personal liberty and smaller government.  So, anyone who can genuinely make the pledge should totally do it!  I would think that excludes most communists.
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Re: FSP: is bigger always better?
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2006, 02:02:01 AM »

It's not just possible statists I'm worried about.  I don't want the wrong kind of libertarians there either.  They can really be just as bad.
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