FOR FSP Signers: You know who Debra Ricketts is? (don't look it up, just answer)

No Idea.

19 (61.3%)

Who cares?

5 (16.1%)

I think I may have heard her name.

3 (9.7%)

Yes, I know of her.

4 (12.9%)

Yes, I know her personally.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 17

[blackie]

 I don't know if Blackie was a native or moved as part of the project or what. . .but it seems he's not happy about doing so.  In his life, it seems he would call that a failure (or a learning experience if you want to shine shit).

What is a failure?

I'm not a native, and didn't move as part of the "project". I moved to NH in 2000, before it was picked by the FSP, before the FSP existed. I don't need a group to tell me where to move. I can figure it out all by myself, or with the help of my family.

[Johnson]

dammit, now I want a blueberry muffin...

[sillyperson]

Your solution is to move liberty-lovers to the Canton of Zug?
OK, have fun.

My rebuttal was in your thread:
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=24190.msg443198#msg443198

[fatcat]

Your solution is to move liberty-lovers to the Canton of Zug?
OK, have fun.

No, move myself.

Anything above that is ancillary. Oh, and if 600 people in NH after 7 years (or 5 years if you count from when NH was picked) is an acceptable goal for freedom, then the equivalent number in Zug would be 30 people. Which would make me 3.33% of the New Hampshire Liberty movement if it had the population of Zug.

If 600 people + 10-50 a year is enough to make a difference in NH then 30 people in 7 years + 0-3 people a year would be of equivalent value. And thats excluding the fact that Switzerland is actually getting freer, whereas NH and the Fed are getting less free / staying static depending on how you are valuing freedom.

Although this is a wasteful argument as I never intend to be involved in a migration movement to Zug.

Fact is Zug is far freer now than anywhere in the US could ever hope to be in the next 20 years.

Cannabis use, production AND retail is tolerated in 10 out of 26 cantons, and simple possession is tolerated near nationwide, based on the current progress cannabis will be effectively legal nation wide within 2-7 years. All other drug use carries much lower punishment than anywhere in the US.

Prostitution legal. Euthanasia legal. Assault rifles legal. Lower individual and corporate tax burden than anywhere in the US and Europe. The tax you do pay won't be used to pay for invasions.


If you prize having liberty in the US more than a higher level liberty in Switzerland, then NH is a good idea.

Other than that I find it highly amusing you try the "ok have fun" condescending bullshit on me. Here's my asslong rebuttal to your rebuttal

[blackie]

Oh, and if 600 people in NH after 7 years (or 5 years if you count from when NH was picked) is an acceptable goal for freedom, then the equivalent number in Zug would be 30 people.

Your calculations are off. 253 of those people were in NH to begin with. They really shouldn't count.

I've thought about moving to Switzerland. I had an email conversation going on with a CEO of a company there about a year ago, and was supposed to send my resume to the head technical guy, but I never got around to it. I may still look into it, but I have some work I want to get done first.

[BonerJoe]

Changes due to the Schengen treaty

The rules laid out above will changed effective 1 December 2008 as Switzerland will be joining the Schengen treaty; and all member countries must adapt some of their laws to a common standard. Following the draft of the Swiss government for the new Waffengesetz (weapons law), these points will change:

    * Unlawful possession of guns will be punished.

    * Gun trade among individuals will require a valid weapon acquisition permit: This is from a Swiss point of view radical restriction is assumed to cut private gun trade dramatically.

    * Every gun must be marked with a registered serial number.

    * Airsoft guns and imitations of real guns will also be governed by the new law.

    * Only one weapon may be purchased per weapon acquisition permit: Presumably, this will dry out the market for relatively cheap used guns, including popular collector's items such as Swiss army revolvers from the late 19th/beginning of the 20th century.

    * Weapons acquired from an individual in the last ten years (which did not require a weapon acquisition permit) have to be registered. As a central weapons register was polically unfeasible, the authorities hope to get an overview over the market through this registration duty.

    * While the above mentioned "free arms" remain exempt from the weapon acquisition permit, the vendor is required to notify the local

[fatcat]

Changes due to the Schengen treaty

The rules laid out above will changed effective 1 December 2008 as Switzerland will be joining the Schengen treaty; and all member countries must adapt some of their laws to a common standard. Following the draft of the Swiss government for the new Waffengesetz (weapons law), these points will change:

    * Unlawful possession of guns will be punished.

    * Gun trade among individuals will require a valid weapon acquisition permit: This is from a Swiss point of view radical restriction is assumed to cut private gun trade dramatically.

    * Every gun must be marked with a registered serial number.

    * Airsoft guns and imitations of real guns will also be governed by the new law.

    * Only one weapon may be purchased per weapon acquisition permit: Presumably, this will dry out the market for relatively cheap used guns, including popular collector's items such as Swiss army revolvers from the late 19th/beginning of the 20th century.

    * Weapons acquired from an individual in the last ten years (which did not require a weapon acquisition permit) have to be registered. As a central weapons register was polically unfeasible, the authorities hope to get an overview over the market through this registration duty.

    * While the above mentioned "free arms" remain exempt from the weapon acquisition permit, the vendor is required to notify the local

dude wheres your source? nevermind, got it

Thats shitty news but I can't find that much detail on the firearm section.

Thankfully Switzerland defense model means its virtually impossible for them to start banning weapons completely without some sort of major political upheaval.

I'd like to see how this pans out as the Swiss are traditionally very reluctant to get involved in any European union activities, especially since people there are so used to gun ownership.

thanks for the headsup though

[Lindsey]

I have to say, I'd signed up as nothing more than a friend to the FSP.  I've seen this stuff floating around before, but never really paid it much mind. 

[BonerJoe]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland#Changes_due_to_the_Schengen_treaty

[Johnson]

I have to say, I'd signed up as nothing more than a friend to the FSP.  I've seen this stuff floating around before, but never really paid it much mind. 

Past tense? No plans to ever join?

[Lindsey]

I have to say, I'd signed up as nothing more than a friend to the FSP.  I've seen this stuff floating around before, but never really paid it much mind. 

Past tense? No plans to ever join?

Remember?  I signed up as a friend around the time I turned 18.  I thought I had to be 18 before I could, but I can't remember if that's true or not.  I never had definite plans or the definite desire to pick up and move there.  I've thought about it a number of times, but I don't want to sign what is essentially a contract without the explicit intent to move.  I'd feel dishonest about inflating their numbers.   

[John Shaw]

I'd feel dishonest about inflating their numbers.   

Glad someone does.

[Lindsey]

I'd feel dishonest about inflating their numbers.   

Glad someone does.

I can only be a huge bitch in so many ways before it gets exhausting. 

[Johnson]

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Ok, but that didn't really answer my question per se. Not that I disagree with the sentiment.

In other words, when you say "I had signed up as a friend" it sounds like you are implying... "i am no longer a friend"
I don't know why... but "I signed up as a friend" better implies that you still ARE a friend to the FSP...

semantics, I know... but I was just curious.

[Lindsey]

I don't plan to join, no.  With that said, I don't plan on explicitly not joining.  It's a cop-out, but I figure if I'm not sure it's probably not gonna happen.