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Title: fighting fire with fire
Post by: mrapplecastle on September 26, 2006, 09:23:34 PM
since resisting force with force is justifiable.
if a cop attempted to arrest me for having some cannabis, could i resist using force or violence and be justified in doing so?
is it jusifiable to use force to resist the oppression of the gov?
Title: Re: fighting fire with fire
Post by: velojym on September 26, 2006, 10:08:47 PM
since resisting force with force is justifiable.
if a cop attempted to arrest me for having some cannabis, could i resist using force or violence and be justified in doing so?
is it jusifiable to use force to resist the oppression of the gov?

Morally? Sure. Just don't expect 'em to let you live.
Title: Re: fighting fire with fire
Post by: mrapplecastle on September 26, 2006, 10:37:59 PM
it would either be you or the pig
if enough ppl did this, the pigs might take the hint and alot of our problems might go away.......theoretically
plus having lots of ppl on your side or "backup" would be a factor in your success
Title: Re: fighting fire with fire
Post by: velojym on September 27, 2006, 12:40:43 AM
A bunch of bystanders mobbing an abusive cop would warm the heart.
 :)
Title: Re: fighting fire with fire
Post by: mrapplecastle on September 27, 2006, 12:57:40 AM

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Title: Re: fighting fire with fire
Post by: atheistshawn on September 27, 2006, 10:35:10 AM
That is one of the greatest T-Shirts I have ever seen.  Any place I can buy it online?  It is my dream and life goal to see a crowd of people stand up for their rights and beat the hell out of a few cops. 
Title: Re: fighting fire with fire
Post by: mrapplecastle on September 27, 2006, 12:56:36 PM
http://www.vigilantics.com/pages/2/index.htm
Title: Re: fighting fire with fire
Post by: mrapplecastle on November 02, 2006, 07:48:43 PM
who the fuck voted no?????
 :twisted: show yourself  :twisted:
Title: Re: fighting fire with fire
Post by: Porcupine_in_MA on November 02, 2006, 07:55:40 PM
Hey pigs are intelligent and nice creatures unlike most cops I've met..you would be justified of course..but it would be stupid because all you would be doing is getting yourself either shot or severely beaten and imprisoned and what use would you be for the fight for freedom then? None.
Title: Re: fighting fire with fire
Post by: mrapplecastle on November 02, 2006, 08:22:24 PM
i just wanted to see if anyone would actually say no
and not 1 but 2 ppl did.......and they didnt even have the common courtesy to explain why
Title: Re: fighting fire with fire
Post by: Porcupine_in_MA on November 02, 2006, 08:24:32 PM
Come on folks who voted "no" bring it on!  :P
Title: Re: fighting fire with fire
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on November 02, 2006, 08:35:30 PM
Sure its morally justifiable, but the police will onlyc all in backup taze your ass and throw you in the clink.  Good idea not to fuck with the cops, makes it a lot harder to fight it in court.  I voted Yes, although sometimes its just a bad idea because you have to appease them until we can vote away their powers.
Title: Re: fighting fire with fire
Post by: mrapplecastle on November 02, 2006, 08:53:33 PM
ofcourse its justifiable, thats why i wonder who would vote no
maybe it was StLucifer  :x
Title: Re: fighting fire with fire
Post by: error on November 02, 2006, 09:22:47 PM
I see no moral problem with resisting force initiated on oneself, whether the person doing it carries a badge or not.

THEY, however, will not see it that way.

Keep that in mind.
Title: Re: fighting fire with fire
Post by: mrapplecastle on November 02, 2006, 09:30:45 PM
I see no moral problem with resisting force initiated on oneself, whether the person doing it carries a badge or not.

THEY, however, will not see it that way.

Keep that in mind.
it all depends on whose gang has the populace behind them
Title: Re: fighting fire with fire
Post by: Johnny_ on November 13, 2006, 02:41:00 PM
since resisting force with force is justifiable.
if a cop attempted to arrest me for having some cannabis, could i resist using force or violence and be justified in doing so?
is it jusifiable to use force to resist the oppression of the gov?

To be honest, it would piss me off to hear that someone shot a cop who was trying to arrest him for a little bit of grass.  All that would happen is that it'd be another flag for the anti-drug fascists to wave when saying how dangerous drugs are and how volatile even pot smokers are.  Would I go as far as to morally condemn someone who's exercising their right to life and liberty?  No.  But it would still be upsetting to hear that it happened, just knowing how the "other side" would run with it.  (BTW, I did not vote "no".)
Title: Re: fighting fire with fire
Post by: Charles on November 14, 2006, 06:47:51 PM
It can be justifiable to fight fire with fire but not always.  Jumping to vengance is a bad measure.
Title: Re: fighting fire with fire
Post by: FreeStater on November 15, 2006, 08:41:51 PM
Depends on if you have anything left to lose.

It's a simple cost vs benefits analysis.

Read Unintended Consequences by John Ross;

or The Ballad of Carl Drega by Vin Suprynowicz.

Title: Re: fighting fire with fire
Post by: Ecolitan on November 19, 2006, 08:32:30 AM
Brain for an eye, skull for a tooth.

If a man smite you on one cheek, smash him on the other.  Smite him hip and thigh for self-preservation is the highest law.
Title: Re: fighting fire with fire
Post by: Hittman on November 19, 2006, 11:42:08 AM
Justifiable?  Absolutely. 

Wise?  Hell no. 

If six armed thugs take you by surprise and demand your wallet, trying to get the drop on them and gun them down would be perfectly justifiable.  It would also be rather stupid. 

And with cops, there's a lot more than six of them. 

However, seeing things like the UCLA tazing makes me want to scream at the bystanders to attack the thugs, lock them up with their own handcuffs, and give them a taste of their own medicine. 
Title: Re: fighting fire with fire
Post by: Jason Kauppinen on November 19, 2006, 10:41:45 PM
since resisting force with force is justifiable.
if a cop attempted to arrest me for having some cannabis, could i resist using force or violence and be justified in doing so?
is it jusifiable to use force to resist the oppression of the gov?

In this situation, no, because your self-interest would not be served.  Unless you have martyrdom as a goal.....
Title: Re: fighting fire with fire
Post by: mrapplecastle on November 21, 2006, 10:19:54 AM
In this situation, no, because your self-interest would not be served. Unless you have martyrdom as a goal.....
maybe you need to read the question again