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What do you read most often? (Pick all that apply)

Adult Magazines
- 22 (1.4%)
Sports Magazines
- 16 (1%)
Entertainment Magazines
- 25 (1.6%)
Electronics Magazines
- 88 (5.7%)
Hobby / Crafts Magazines
- 27 (1.8%)
Home / Garden Magazines
- 25 (1.6%)
Outdoor  / Guns / Hunting / Fishing Magazines
- 41 (2.7%)
Fitness / Exercise / Health Magazines
- 30 (2%)
Music / Scene Magazines
- 27 (1.8%)
Technical  / Trade Magazines
- 64 (4.2%)
Newspaper / News Magazines
- 107 (7%)
Religious Books / Magazines
- 32 (2.1%)
Sci-Fi / Fantasy Books
- 148 (9.7%)
Nonfiction History Books
- 115 (7.5%)
Technical / How To Manuals
- 91 (5.9%)
Romance Novels
- 1 (0.1%)
Mystery / Thriller Books
- 43 (2.8%)
Other Fiction Books
- 112 (7.3%)
Other Nonfiction Books
- 125 (8.2%)
Political / Philosophical Issues Magazines
- 140 (9.1%)
Car / Auto / Mechanics Magazines
- 28 (1.8%)
Science Magazines
- 78 (5.1%)
Fashion Magazines
- 7 (0.5%)
Art / History / Culture Magazines
- 29 (1.9%)
"Classics" Books
- 60 (3.9%)
Self (Help, Health, Motivation) Books
- 26 (1.7%)
Business / Finance / Investing Books
- 26 (1.7%)

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Re: Demographics - Reading Material?
« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2007, 02:12:14 PM »

That is hobbies / crafts, unless it's something like... say digital photography...

Then you might consider it a Technical  / Trade Mag.
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Re: Demographics - Reading Material?
« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2007, 02:16:59 PM »

Why does Johnson get to decide what's what?

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« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2007, 04:25:40 PM »

That is hobbies / crafts

What if I want to read about the Fine Art in paintings or Art of Architecture but creating such art aren't my hobbies?
They don't fall into "crafts" category either.
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« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2007, 04:46:05 PM »

Where would Self Help books go?  I'd think that'd be a rather popular category.  And I guess biographies are under general non-fiction, though they'd usually be set apart.
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« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2007, 12:33:10 AM »

I may do a separate poll someday about more specific books, but for now, I'm really just searching for stuff that is more marketable. It would be best to file that vote under health magazines, or under other nonfiction books.

If we attract advertisers from a bigger market than just self help books, maybe we'll get a little more specific.
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Re: Demographics - Reading Material?
« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2007, 03:47:46 PM »

What if I LOVE Science Fiction but LOATHE Fantasy?
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Re: Demographics - Reading Material?
« Reply #21 on: October 11, 2007, 04:33:10 PM »

The line between them is often rather blurred... I can absolutely see why they're grouped together.  I guess the real question is, if this were advertised on FTL, would you be an appropriate target audience.  So, if there were an ad that was directed to BOTH Sci-Fi and Fantasy readers, would it be more enticing or more of a turn-off.  Vote accordingly.

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« Reply #22 on: October 11, 2007, 06:07:40 PM »

What about literature?  And Men's Entertainment/Fashion magazines?
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Re: Demographics - Reading Material?
« Reply #23 on: October 11, 2007, 07:27:53 PM »

Literature is not a category...


Entertainment Mags, and Fashion mags are both already options...

The goal is not superspecifics... For example, I will not be adding "Pet Magazines" for those that read Cat Fancy...
Somewhat general is the point... I'm only looking for things that DON'T clearly fit into an existing category...

Considering Fashion and Entertainment are both there... That is not a new category...
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« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2007, 10:08:54 PM »

Literature is not a category...
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I don't see how you (or a person interested in your statistics for the sake of better marketing) can lump in classic and contemporary literature together with the heaps of relative trash via the "Other fiction," but that's your call.
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« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2007, 11:42:40 PM »

I guess I just feel "The Grapes of Wrath" and "The Great Gatsby" are just books... just like any other book. I don't feel the fact that you read books that make you feel intellectually superior simply because they are old and some government high school teachers said that you need to read them somehow lends extra validity to them, or means that somehow there is a special marketing niche there. If "Moby Dick", "Tom Sawyer", or "As I lay Dying" are really so special... I think you are really sort of just being silly.

Besides, I think there are better names for categories of books than simply "Literature". Maybe if a few of those were tossed out I might consider it...

Until then... I will consider the fact that "The Library of America" was relatively uncooperative in coming up with a good deal for us to resell some books... So the Literature crowd can go screw...  :D
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Re: Demographics - Reading Material?
« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2007, 02:17:17 AM »

Johnson, you should really add a Literature section.
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« Reply #27 on: October 13, 2007, 03:00:05 AM »

I guess I just feel "The Grapes of Wrath" and "The Great Gatsby" are just books... just like any other book. I don't feel the fact that you read books that make you feel intellectually superior simply because they are old and some government high school teachers said that you need to read them somehow lends extra validity to them, or means that somehow there is a special marketing niche there. If "Moby Dick", "Tom Sawyer", or "As I lay Dying" are really so special... I think you are really sort of just being silly.

Besides, I think there are better names for categories of books than simply "Literature". Maybe if a few of those were tossed out I might consider it...

Until then... I will consider the fact that "The Library of America" was relatively uncooperative in coming up with a good deal for us to resell some books... So the Literature crowd can go screw...  :D

Literature is different by virtue of the nature and depth of its subject matter.  You can't recognize the difference between Steinbeck, Milton, Waugh, and the modern-day ego-authors who get published because they can turn a quick phrase and the (government-protected) top publishing houses realize they can turn an even quicker profit?  Friend, I think you're the one being silly.

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But since we're talking demographics: the evolution of literature includes a wide range of materials from ancient to contemporary, and further particularization is unnecessary - the "literature crowd", as you (derisively? arrogantly?) put it, will classify themselves accordingly.  I just thought it would be worth something to FTL's advertisers to know that FTL listeners read to a higher standard: I read my Wired magazine cover-to-cover (literally) because the advertising doesn't assume I'm stupid and even (!) makes me laugh.
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Re: Demographics - Reading Material?
« Reply #28 on: October 13, 2007, 02:28:42 PM »

I know for a fact that there are more categories than just literature, and have already added categories that show that our listeners read to a higher level and standard than most....

If there were a couple of different categories for literature that were a bit more specific, I might add something.
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« Reply #29 on: October 13, 2007, 03:34:22 PM »

I know for a fact that there are more categories than just literature, and have already added categories that show that our listeners read to a higher level and standard than most....

If there were a couple of different categories for literature that were a bit more specific, I might add something.

All of the categories listed for books:

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Sci-Fi / Fantasy Books     
Nonfiction History Books    
Technical / How To Manuals    
Romance Novels    
Mystery / Drama Books    
Other Fiction Books    
Other Nonfiction Books

connote different kinds of books than that connoted by including categories for, say, "Literature" and "General Fiction."  I read ancient, medieval and classical romances - I do not read what is connoted by the category "Romance Novel."  I read literature that is dramatic and mysterious - but I didn't choose "Mystery / Drama Books", because that connotes Tom-Clancy-type books that I do not read. 

I know I'm not the only one, here, who reads literature; I've met literateurs with the freedom mindset.  How can you be so crass?  What is it, a knee-jerk reaction against what you derisively called the "literature crowd"?  I've met the stereotype you must be speaking of in real life, and it's their type of thinking - not the subject matter they've chosen to concern themselves with - that sets them apart. 

Anyway, it's your poll and you know what its aims are and what the requirements of its design should best be.  Carry on as you will - I think I've said my piece well enough.
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