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What level of Education have you completed?

Have not Graduated Highschool
- 4 (2.3%)
Highschool or GED
- 17 (9.8%)
Attended College but have not Graduated
- 57 (32.8%)
2 Year College Degree
- 18 (10.3%)
4 Year College Degree
- 45 (25.9%)
Masters Degree
- 10 (5.7%)
Doctoral Degree
- 6 (3.4%)
Other Professional Degree (MD, LLB, ETC)
- 2 (1.1%)
Multiple Technical Certification(s) w/o HighSchool Diploma or GED
- 1 (0.6%)
Multiple Technical Certifications w/o College Degee
- 6 (3.4%)
Multiple Technical Certification(s) & 2yr Degree
- 0 (0%)
Multiple Technical Certification(s) & 4yr Degree
- 4 (2.3%)
Multple Degrees (In Different Fields of Study)
- 4 (2.3%)

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Re: Demographics - Education Level?
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2008, 12:53:22 AM »

From Wikipedia:
"The School of Hard Knocks is an idiomatic phrase meaning the (sometimes painful) education one gets from life, often contrasted with formal education. It is a phrase which is most typically used by a person to claim a level of wisdom imparted by life experience, which they consider at least equal in merit to academic knowledge. It is a response that may be given when someone is asked about their education, especially if they do not have an extensive formal education but feel they have work/life experience that should be valued instead. It may also be used facetiously to suggest that formal education is not of practical value compared to work experience. In the UK, the phrases University of Life and School of Hard Knocks may be used interchangeably."

Yeap... so... "Have not Graduated Highschool" is definitely an applicable option. Everyone takes their hard knocks... some do so with education, some don't. Some people have to work for their education, and some have it handed to them on a silver platter with a trust fund on top. However, in regards to advertisers, this question is about one's level of formal education... and I think those that are actually interested and care about one's level of formal education, are not going to be interested in flippant or facetious remarks.

It's really a matter of audience, and the audience that really even gives a crapola about the answers to this poll, probably doesn't want to have their personal values crapped on as an answer.

Without it even being phrased flippantly - such as "school of hard knocks"... Even if it were phrased as a poll option of "I don't believe in formal education." Would still be an unappealing affront to someone who is examining and cares about formal education level. I don't see any need to be unnecessarily confrontational in constructing a poll (which I'm trying to word in as sterile a fashion as possible). Polling questions usually have to be phrased very carefully to get accurate data, or with a goal in mind. I usually like to try and balance between a goal and getting accurate data.
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Re: Demographics - Education Level?
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2008, 12:53:52 AM »

I have GED, Some college but not graduated And Multiple Technical Certifications.

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Re: Demographics - Education Level?
« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2008, 12:54:23 AM »

My bad nigga, you know I love you.

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Re: Demographics - Education Level?
« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2008, 12:55:32 AM »

I have GED, Some college but not graduated And Multiple Technical Certifications.

Ooh, good point... I generally meant Without a College Degree... but that does need to be fixed. Thanks.
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Re: Demographics - Education Level?
« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2008, 01:02:04 AM »

So, 1 person MAY want to change their vote, since I changed it from
w/o a Degree

to w/o HighSchool Diploma or GED
and added
w/o a College Degree

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Re: Demographics - Education Level?
« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2008, 01:10:22 AM »

So who's the nerd with the Doctoral Degree? Come on you smart mother fucker, pipe up!
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Re: Demographics - Education Level?
« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2008, 07:12:23 PM »

I got "Certificates of Proficiency", and "Certificates of Articulation". The local City College held some adult ed type classes at the high school I attended. Since the school ran out of electronics classes for me, I went to the psudo college classes during school. For doing that, my certificates are supposed to equal college classes. Thus, I went to 1 day of college and found it was the 13th grade with ashtrays. I went back to my electronics tech job that day.
In my field, experience is far more important than schooling.
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Re: Demographics - Education Level?
« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2008, 07:25:27 PM »

I got "Certificates of Proficiency", and "Certificates of Articulation". The local City College held some adult ed type classes at the high school I attended. Since the school ran out of electronics classes for me, I went to the psudo college classes during school. For doing that, my certificates are supposed to equal college classes. Thus, I went to 1 day of college and found it was the 13th grade with ashtrays. I went back to my electronics tech job that day.
In my field, experience is far more important than schooling.

So, that should be the "multiple technical certifications w/o a college degree" option... Most circumstances should have a pretty good, if maybe not precisely exact match...
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Re: Demographics - Education Level?
« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2008, 11:51:02 PM »

Theres no space for Seminary
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Re: Demographics - Education Level?
« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2008, 11:58:01 PM »

Theres no space for Seminary


There's no space for fiction WRITER either. This poll is in regards to education, not occupation.
For example, there is no space for spending time in prison learning how to rob banks...
or spending time with hobos learning how to pick pockets....
I guess I just don't consider a profession based upon lies and swindling people out of their money to be a very honorable one...

I'll tell you what though... I'll do a demographic poll about Religion, and add it to that... Where it's more appropriate... you know... keeping religion and education entirely separated...
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Re: Demographics - Education Level?
« Reply #25 on: August 25, 2008, 07:16:57 AM »

Theres no space for Seminary


There's no space for fiction WRITER either. This poll is in regards to education, not occupation.
For example, there is no space for spending time in prison learning how to rob banks...
or spending time with hobos learning how to pick pockets....
I guess I just don't consider a profession based upon lies and swindling people out of their money to be a very honorable one...

I'll tell you what though... I'll do a demographic poll about Religion, and add it to that... Where it's more appropriate... you know... keeping religion and education entirely separated...
Well he's definitely in school, and he's definitely in a Jewish school, and he's definitely a teacher in said school and he's definitely teaching libertarian principles through that school.  He's studying to be a rabbi (as far as I remember) and he's also teaching libertarianism through Judaism, so what does that make him?
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Re: Demographics - Education Level?
« Reply #26 on: August 25, 2008, 02:00:32 PM »

a traitor to his faith? Judaism has socialist principles built right into it...
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Re: Demographics - Education Level?
« Reply #28 on: August 25, 2008, 08:10:50 PM »

what socialist concepts do you speak of?

I don't particularly want to have that discussion as a solely private one, because I'd love to have the discussion educate others.

I speak of the jewish principle of the obligation of Tzedakah.


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The Obligation of Tzedakah

Giving to the poor is an obligation in Judaism, a duty that cannot be forsaken even by those who are themselves in need. Some sages have said that tzedakah is the highest of all commandments, equal to all of them combined, and that a person who does not perform tzedakah is equivalent to an idol worshipper. This is probably hyperbole, but it illustrates the importance of tzedakah in Jewish thought. Tzedakah is one of the three acts that gain us forgiveness from our sins. The High Holiday liturgy repeatedly states that G-d has inscribed a judgment against all who have sinned, but teshuvah (repentance), tefilah (prayer) and tzedakah can alleviate the decree. See Days of Awe.

According to Jewish law, we are required to give one-tenth of our income to the poor. This is generally interpreted as one-tenth of our net income after payment of taxes. Taxes themselves do not fulfill our obligation to give tzedakah, even though a significant portion of tax revenues in America and many other countries are used to provide for the poor and needy. Those who are dependent on public assistance or living on the edge of subsistence may give less, but must still give to the extent they are able; however, no person should give so much that he would become a public burden.

The obligation to perform tzedakah can be fulfilled by giving money to the poor, to health care institutions, to synagogues or to educational institutions. It can also be fulfilled by supporting your children beyond the age when you are legally required to, or supporting your parents in their old age. The obligation includes giving to both Jews and gentiles; contrary to popular belief, Jews do not just "take care of our own." Quite the contrary, a study reported in the Jewish Journal indicated that Jewish "mega-donors" (who give more than $10 million a year to charity) found that only 6% of their mega-dollars went to specifically Jewish causes.

Judaism acknowledges that many people who ask for charity have no genuine need. In fact, the Talmud suggests that this is a good thing: if all people who asked for charity were in genuine need, we would be subject to punishment (from G-d) for refusing anyone who asked. The existence of frauds diminishes our liability for failing to give to all who ask, because we have some legitimate basis for doubting the beggar's sincerity. It is permissible to investigate the legitimacy of a charity before donating to it.

We have an obligation to avoid becoming in need of tzedakah. A person should take any work that is available, even if he thinks it is beneath his dignity, to avoid becoming a public charge.

However, if a person is truly in need and has no way to obtain money on his own he should not feel embarrassed to accept tzedakah. No person should feel too proud to take money from others. In fact, it is considered a transgression to refuse tzedakah. One source says that to make yourself suffer by refusing to accept tzedakah is equivalent to shedding your own blood.
Levels of Tzedakah

Certain kinds of tzedakah are considered more meritorious than others. The Talmud describes these different levels of tzedakah, and Rambam organized them into a list. The levels of charity, from the least meritorious to the most meritorious, are:

   1. Giving begrudgingly
   2. Giving less that you should, but giving it cheerfully.
   3. Giving after being asked
   4. Giving before being asked
   5. Giving when you do not know the recipient's identity, but the recipient knows your identity
   6. Giving when you know the recipient's identity, but the recipient doesn't know your identity
   7. Giving when neither party knows the other's identity
   8. Enabling the recipient to become self-reliant
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Re: Demographics - Education Level?
« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2008, 01:49:19 AM »

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Therefore, it should be fairly logical to assume, since the GED is equivalent to graduating highschool, that if you have one - the "didn't graduate highschool" option is not for you, no matter how much of a badge of honor it may be.

I have both a GED and High School Diploma.

I also dropped out of college once I realized I was paying people to write on paper that I had a skillset I entered college with.
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