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Should human beings be placed in cages?

Yes, always
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Yes, only for seriously violent crimes
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No, never
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LoveFreedomAndLiberty

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« on: January 06, 2012, 12:51:52 PM »

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1)Are there too many laws?
2)Are too many people placed in cages?
3)What do cages do to human psychology?
4)Do you agree with the reasons people are caged?
5)Have innocent people been caged?
6)Should claustrophobic people be placed in cages?
7)Do some people come out of the cage with more problems than they went in with?
8)Do some people become the victims of crime while in the system?
9)Should those unable to repay a debt be placed in a cage?
10)Should humans be placed in cages for not paying child support?
11)Are there any studies that you know of regarding this topic?
12)What reasons should humans be placed in cages?
13)Do cages rehabilitate?
14)Are defendants allowed to present any and all evidence they feel is important?
15)Do you know of any studies?
16)What are your opinions and solutions?
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Re: Cages
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2012, 01:45:20 PM »

Yes, but it doesn't have to only be for "seriously" violent crimes.  I guess that depends on how you define serious.  There are lots of real crimes which should result in someone's caging.  Seriously violent to me sounds like only rape and murder.  But someone who goes around starting fist fights regularly should be caged.  Someone who threatens someone physically should be caged.  Muggers should be caged.  Those who commit fraud should be caged.  People who commit real sex crimes, even if they are not violent, should be caged.  The criminally insane should be caged.  There are a myriad of reasons for caging someone. 

Obviously the term of the sentence and the amount of restitution should vary by the degree of the crime committed.
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Re: Cages
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2012, 01:50:47 PM »

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1)Are there too many laws?
No shit.
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2)Are too many people placed in cages?
Obviously.  People who commit truly victimless crimes should not be caged. (i.e. smoking a joint, or gambling).
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3)What do cages do to human psychology?
Probably make those who are or were caged feel like shit and decide to fix their lives for the future so they don't have to return to a terrible life in a cage again.
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4)Do you agree with the reasons people are caged?
Described above.
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5)Have innocent people been caged?
Seriously?
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6)Should claustrophobic people be placed in cages?
If they committed a real crime with a victim that warrants a caging, who the fuck cares about their psychology?
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7)Do some people come out of the cage with more problems than they went in with?
Sure, but if they did something that warrants a caging then who the fuck cares?
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8)Do some people become the victims of crime while in the system?
Obviously.
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9)Should those unable to repay a debt be placed in a cage?
No, the way our current system handles these individuals seems to work well enough to me.
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10)Should humans be placed in cages for not paying child support?
Probably not.
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11)Are there any studies that you know of regarding this topic?
No.
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12)What reasons should humans be placed in cages?
13)Do cages rehabilitate?
They sure can with some people.  Look at Mark Edge, is he living the life of crime that he alleges he was prior to caging?
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14)Are defendants allowed to present any and all evidence they feel is important?
Probably depends on the judge.  They should be able to.
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15)Do you know of any studies?
16)What are your opinions and solutions?
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Re: Cages
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2012, 03:18:26 PM »

Only problem I have with keeping murderers and rapists in a cage, is if people that had nothing to do with it end up being forced to pay for it. Some might say "well, thats the price you pay to live in a safe society" If thats how you feel, we might as well go full on socialism and give everyone free health care and everything else under the sun, which most of us here would agree is bullshit.

If you can figure out a way cover the costs of food, electricity, guards, health care and other necessities for these caged animals through donations or by other means, I say go for it. Keep em in a cage.
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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2012, 04:06:51 PM »

We have to restrain people who harm innocent people. I still think really evil Charles Manson type killers would be generally lynched in a free society, but in the rare instances where the individual gets taken alive they would have to be caged, for their protection and everybody else's.
For permanent closer I am starting to warm up to quickmike's island idea.

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Re: Cages
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2012, 04:30:00 PM »

Its a good plan.

I just didn't want to mention it again because everyones probably getting sick of hearing about it.
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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2012, 05:05:28 PM »

A rape cage should only be used for temporary holding.

If someone is so bad you need to lock them up for a long time, you might as well kill them.
Not gonna disagree with that.  I've always been a supporter of the death penalty for murderers, assuming there is good proof they did it.

Its a good plan.

I just didn't want to mention it again because everyones probably getting sick of hearing about it.
Ever read Methuselah's Children by Heinlein?  It's all about "Coventry", which is pretty much the same idea you're talking about.
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Re: Cages
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2012, 09:17:28 PM »

Hmmm, this Methuselah sounds like a pretty smart guy.


I'll might just have to check that out. I think you mentioned this book before, but I probably spaced it off at the time.
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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2012, 01:58:17 PM »

Is the bbs down or something?
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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2012, 02:10:31 PM »

Yes, This "down hidden at the right and super skinny retro look" sucks some pretty sweaty dead man's balls.

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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2012, 03:03:50 PM »

Its back now though...

Nothing to say about cages except I'd hate to live in one.
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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2012, 03:09:05 PM »

Maybe these enclosers could pay for themselves by being some sort of reality show. Live screen savers or something. Give them little zap collars when they don't move around enough.
I really liked that "Man on a desert island" screen saver.

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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2012, 03:10:36 PM »

They're already serving the corporations as prison labor.
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« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2012, 12:02:35 PM »

Human beings can live together in a free society only by respecting one another’s rights. Of course, there are many other sorts of societies that can exist, such as dictatorships. But, for a “free” society to exist, mutual respect for rights is a necessity.

Any person who does not respect the rights of others (by, say, stealing) shows through their actions that they do not accept the concept of rights. After all, you can’t both accept a right AND reject that same right to someone else, since this would entail a contradiction.  Therefore, it is morally acceptable to remove rights from those who would deny rights to others. 
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« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2012, 02:25:09 PM »

Hmmm, this Methuselah sounds like a pretty smart guy.


I'll might just have to check that out. I think you mentioned this book before, but I probably spaced it off at the time.
Coincidentally the Ericksson Foundation (however they spell it) concept was also nabbed from a Heinlein book; it appears to be modeled after the "Free Trader" society of Heinlein's Citizen of the Galaxy.
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