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If blind parents want to have blind children, that is to give birth to a child of their own and have him or her surgically blinded after birth...

Jail `em
- 4 (20%)
Take away `eir kids
- 5 (25%)
Ostracize `em
- 4 (20%)
Leave `em alone
- 7 (35%)

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Re: Blind parents who want blind children
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2009, 09:26:15 AM »

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You're still basing your interpretation of natural rights on wishful thinking and not reason.

That is the point of rights.

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Re: Blind parents who want blind children
« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2009, 07:56:09 PM »

No, it's not.  The point of rights is societal competitive advantage.  There is no positive right to being born, with or without any of your senses.


Oh, I've finally found the article I was looking for....

From guardian.co.uk -- This couple want a deaf child. Should we try to stop them? --

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From embryo selection to abortion, fertility treatment to stem cell research, medical advances have created a furious ethical debate. Now MPs must decide how far science should be allowed to go. Robin McKie and Gaby Hinsliff report.  Sunday 9 March 2008

Like any other three-year-old child, Molly has brought joy to her parents. Bright-eyed and cheerful, Molly is also deaf - and that is an issue which vexes her parents, though not for the obvious reasons. Paula Garfield, a theatre director, and her partner, Tomato Lichy, an artist and designer, are also deaf and had hoped to have a child who could not hear.

'We celebrated when we found out about Molly's deafness,' says Lichy. 'Being deaf is not about being disabled, or medically incomplete - it's about being part of a linguistic minority. We're proud, not of the medical aspect of deafness, but of the language we use and the community we live in.'

Now the couple are hoping to have a second child, one they also wish to be deaf - and that desire has brought them into a sharp confrontation with Parliament. The government's Human Fertilisation and Embryology (HFE) bill, scheduled to go through the Commons this spring, will block any attempt by couples like Garfield and Lichy to use modern medical techniques to ensure their children are deaf. The bill is a jumbo-sized piece of legislation intended to pull together all aspects of reproductive science in Britain and pave the way for UK scientists to lead the field in embryology. But in trying to do so, the civil servants drafting the bill have provoked a great deal of unrest.  [...]


And, on a related note, here's an article about a 12-year-old boy getting a sex change:shock:
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Re: Blind parents who want blind children
« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2009, 11:15:01 PM »

You're still basing your interpretation of natural rights on wishful thinking and not reason.

Parents create children.  They must be allowed to do so on their terms, or they'll simply choose not to create them!
"Governments keep law. They must be allowed to write their own laws, or they'll simply choose not to create them!"
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Re: Blind parents who want blind children
« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2009, 11:23:32 PM »

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The point of rights is societal competitive advantage.

So as long as the trains run on time?

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Re: Blind parents who want blind children
« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2009, 09:26:48 AM »

I'm interested in this topic, but don't want to discuss it with Libman.  Damn.
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Re: Blind parents who want blind children
« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2009, 11:17:52 AM »

I'm interested in this topic, but don't want to discuss it with Libman.  Damn.

That sucks, man. 
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Re: Blind parents who want blind children
« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2009, 03:53:38 PM »

I'm interested in this topic, but don't want to discuss it with Libman.  Damn.

there are others reading and posting...

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Re: Blind parents who want blind children
« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2009, 03:59:34 PM »

in a true free market, parents would desire that their offspring were as healthy and wholesome as possible so that they could be as competitive as was necessary to succeed and excell in whatever endeavors they might choose

there might be individuals and/or couples who desired to produce "less-than-whole" and/or handicapped and/or retarded offspring but then they might well be burdened with caring for them throughout their entire lifespans...which, after awhile, would probably cause them to kill their own offspring...

enjoy!

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Re: Blind parents who want blind children
« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2009, 05:59:49 PM »

Hey now, I knew this blind programmer once.  His mind was amazing!  He could do everything, even some Web / GUI stuff.  My jaw was on the floor...

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Re: Blind parents who want blind children
« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2009, 08:05:44 AM »

in a true free market, parents would desire that their offspring were as healthy and wholesome as possible so that they could be as competitive as was necessary to succeed and excell in whatever endeavors they might choose
In a true free market, `echo $myvalues | sed 's/should/would/g' -`!

Free markets are everything everyone wants them to be until they actually happen, then a few people get disappointed. That's a failing of stupid expectations though, not one of markets :P
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Re: Blind parents who want blind children
« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2009, 08:58:50 PM »

Cutting out your kids eyes is not comparable to cutting off  a quarter cm of a completely pointless flap of skin.

If its completely pointless why did god put it there? Did he fuck up? Is he not perfect and infallible? Huh?!

religious ZING!
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Re: Blind parents who want blind children
« Reply #26 on: October 05, 2009, 02:39:15 AM »

Oh, don't forget 纏足 (foot binding) - four billion little chinkfoots since 10th century.  :shock:

Legalize that two.
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Re: Blind parents who want blind children
« Reply #27 on: October 15, 2009, 04:57:24 AM »

Only 20% of people who voted in this poll (excluding myself) recognize parents' rights...  How depressing is that?

From NBC Miami -- Mom Arrested for Washing Kid's Mouth With Soap --

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A Florida couple is behind bars for some old school discipline

A Palm Bay woman and her boyfriend were arrested Monday for child abuse after the couple went old school to punish their 8-year-old daughter for swearing.

They washed her mouth out with soap.

We don't know about you, but we would petition President Obama and Congress to make it mandatory for every parent to carry a bar of Irish Spring in their back pockets with all the profanity kids use today.

Police claim Adriyanna Herdener and Wilfredo Rivera went too far by placing a bar of soap in the girl's mouth and letting it stay for 10 minutes. Herdener did not intervene in the discipline.

The girl eventually vomited and Rivera took her to the local hospital, where hospital staff called police.

No one wants a child to be hurt or inhumanely punished, but parents' discipline choices in this country have come down to calling Dr. Phil or hiding the joysticks to the Wii.

Next time your kid has a potty mouth, just give them some gum.

This civilization is doomed.  :cry:
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