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Are Libertarians/FTL BBS members overly cynical?

Yes, people should cut it out
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No, we're just right
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No, most libertarians are not cynical enough
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DogOn

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Are Libertarians overly cynical?
« on: January 24, 2008, 10:22:54 PM »

I don't frequent many political forums, but of all the forums i've ever been on, there seems to be more cynicism and infighting over petty bullshit than in any other demographic I've ever encountered. Given, the FTL BBS is a pretty small sample for libertarians, but still, it seems pretty staggering how quick people are to jump down each others throats for not sharing exactly the same viewpoint as them, and are more content to mock, insult or simply troll than to try and have a passionate reasoned debate.


Any thoughts into why this is?
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Re: Are Libertarians overly cynical?
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2008, 10:32:21 PM »

An overly cynical person might wonder what motivates you to ask this question.
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Re: Are Libertarians overly cynical?
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2008, 10:46:53 PM »

I would guess that it's a biased sample.  In my experience, libertarians are some of the most optomistic and happiest people out there.
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Re: Are Libertarians overly cynical?
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2008, 01:16:29 AM »

Heh, likely that is because here they don't ban people who disagree with the forum owners.  On all socialist forums I've read, they ban communists not being leftist enough and crap like that---of course you don't see any bickering if the dissenters are disposed of.
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Re: Are Libertarians overly cynical?
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2008, 01:30:58 AM »

What do you consider being cynical?
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Re: Are Libertarians overly cynical?
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2008, 09:51:46 AM »

In my experience, libertarians are some of the most optomistic and happiest people out there.

This is exactly what I was thinking. I feel I'm an optimist and most other libertarians I've met are the same.
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Re: Are Libertarians overly cynical?
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2008, 10:02:10 AM »

That's one thing I like about Free State Project members, they seem to (be more realistic and) less cynical than the average libertarian or former libertarian activist.
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Re: Are Libertarians overly cynical?
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2008, 10:25:35 AM »

I think most libertarians are eternal optimists. You have to be, to keep voting LP year after year with little visible gain.

If I get a chance to vote for Ron Paul this year, it'll be the first time in over thirty years that I've voted for a major candidate. As with so many other libertarians, I can't help but think that any day now the public is going to catch on!
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Re: Are Libertarians overly cynical?
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2008, 10:45:05 PM »

What do you consider being cynical?

Not being willing to engage in intelligent debate out of a desire to maintain some sort of personal or public image of not needing to explain your position whatever the fuck it is

constantly acting like a fucking retard "ironically" instead of contributing anything interesting or entertaining

engaging in excessive back biting and grudge/vendetta arrangements, at one point in my time on this forum the majority of threads where just people insulting people and people trying to "out troll" the trolls or some dumb shit

pretty much all the people who constantly act like you just shit in their dinner no matter what is it you're talking about

not that theres anything wrong with being cynical, but if you're cynical about anything and everything you just end up being a irritating prick no one wants to be around,

sometimes its nice to be genuine, passionate and kind with other human beings, although the anonymity of the internet makes everyone act a whole lot more hostile so i guess i should expect it
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Re: Are Libertarians overly cynical?
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2008, 02:52:28 PM »

What do you consider being cynical?

Not being willing to engage in intelligent debate out of a desire to maintain some sort of personal or public image of not needing to explain your position whatever the fuck it is

constantly acting like a fucking retard "ironically" instead of contributing anything interesting or entertaining

engaging in excessive back biting and grudge/vendetta arrangements, at one point in my time on this forum the majority of threads where just people insulting people and people trying to "out troll" the trolls or some dumb shit

pretty much all the people who constantly act like you just shit in their dinner no matter what is it you're talking about

not that theres anything wrong with being cynical, but if you're cynical about anything and everything you just end up being a irritating prick no one wants to be around,

sometimes its nice to be genuine, passionate and kind with other human beings, although the anonymity of the internet makes everyone act a whole lot more hostile so i guess i should expect it

Most libertarians are ordinary working people, just like most people of any other ideology or religion. They are not intellectuals. They are not trained how to think or how to be objective. The more passionate their beliefs, the more they identify personally with them so that any challenge to their belief system becomes, for them, indistinguishable from an attack on their person.

It starts out as psychological liberation from their indoctrination into the cult of the statism by means of a momentary flash of objectivity and a period of intellectual hunger, but old mental habits die hard.

Newly won understanding  and perspective begins to stultify into comfortable dogma to be defended with religious fever, never to be challenged or evaluated objectively, at least not until they undergo another sudden and rare inspiration.

The old dogma gets replaced by a new and better dogma, but a dogma nonetheless. Considering the education and other formative experiences that most of us have undergone, there's no reason to be surprised by this.

There's actually an optimistic angle that can be put on this sad story. We often hear laments that the public is so mendacious, closed minded and psychologically primitive that many generations will be long dead before there's any chance for the acceptance of liberty, but then...libertarians as a group, are not really much better than the public they look their noses down on as many of them think they are. If we can become libertarians, then so can almost any other group.
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Re: Are Libertarians overly cynical?
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2008, 10:29:12 PM »

IMHO, you can never be cynical enough.  There will always be new depths of human depravity and new incidents that betray a total lack of Providence.  But it is what it is.  How you handle the terrible truth is still up to you.  There is fun to be had here while you can.
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Re: Are Libertarians overly cynical?
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2008, 09:11:58 AM »

This thread is going to be pointless. It will never work.
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Re: Are Libertarians overly cynical?
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2008, 09:37:50 AM »

Heh, likely that is because here they don't ban people who disagree with the forum owners.  On all socialist forums I've read, they ban communists not being leftist enough and crap like that---of course you don't see any bickering if the dissenters are disposed of.

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Re: Are Libertarians overly cynical?
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2008, 09:48:45 AM »

and...
how can we not be cynical...

even our fucking toilets are regulated by the gooberment...

and someone mentioned "intellectuals"...

I'm not sure how "intellectual" one has to be to understand and function within the Non-Aggression Principle...

as a child your momma should have taught you not to steal...
as an adult you should receive hot lead from cold, blued steel if you steal...

or commit or advocate...aggression/force/fraud...

after all...shooting horse thieves was once common practice...

now...not so much...

go figure...

Enjoy!
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Re: Are Libertarians overly cynical?
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2008, 02:46:15 PM »

IMHO, you can never be cynical enough.  There will always be new depths of human depravity and new incidents that betray a total lack of Providence.  But it is what it is.  How you handle the terrible truth is still up to you.  There is fun to be had here while you can.

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