Dear Fatcat...
I don't care who you are, where you are, or what you are...
If you rape and/or murder me and/or any of "mine"...
You WILL be hunted down and humanely extinguished...
If they don't put you down during the perpetration...
Don't care what you think about it...
What your friends and family think...
Or anyone else for that matter...
Food for thought...
Right.........
food for thought that doesn't involve thinking?
"I don't care what you think about it" is another way of saying shut up. You can drag out the sentiment as long as you want, but if you're only argument is because I want to and shut up, its not going to persuade me or any other rational thinking person.
I never put into question whether there are people who would murder, why would you go to the lengths of dragging it out like you where spoon feeding an obvious conclusion to a retard when I never contested the point in the first place?
If you don't care what I think why even mention me? If discussion of ideas and beliefs isn't what you're after, why even bother posting. Surely writing on a piece of paper would serve the same purpose.
The issue of murder, rights and justice is a hard one, and its hard to define what would be a system consonant with the nature of being and objective truth, especially when you have to deal with free market justice AND abstract human morality at the same time, but if you're not even going to make a meager attempt at discussing it above a level of personal preference and emotion, why bother talking about it? its significantly easier to say what ISN'T a good or logically consistent system.
Through this whole thread I've seen no argument on the side for revenge killing/eye for an eye above:
-If you kill then you deserve to be killed
-If you kill one of my family I'm going to kill you.
-If you don't agree with this you're inferior/beneath talking to
-Nothing you can say will change my mind/no other reason is needed
If murder is suddenly okay in the right circumstances, it can be right in any circumstance, so long as you think you have the right justification. If you don't believe there is any objective backing to people having a fundamental right not to be murdered then make that case, but then be consistent.
Its a very satisfying and self sealed logical package to say if you kill then you lose the right not to be killed, especially seeing as it satisfies a near universal emotional thirst for revenge, but its shallow logic. Why does the right to life encompass the right to kill those who take it?
Murder does nothing to defend your rights, and if you get to murder because murder is wrong, its self defeating logic. You're permitted to do whatever is in your rights that harms no one else, and of restitution to restore what was lost during those rights violation.
When someone kills someone you know, you haven't lost anything that can be reclaimed by murder, except maybe a feeling, but
even if feeling is basis for anything, can I make a girl sleep with me cause I felt bad when she turned me down? Can I not be fired because I will feel bad? Morality is not a zero sum game, you don't get murder points when someone murders your mother, either its immoral, or its not.
If you [blank] one of my family members, I WILL [blank] you.
This statement is logically void, put any word you like in there, marry, fuck, touch, you need something more otherwise its just a specious catchphrase that means shit. Eye for an eye relies on an earnest emotional conviction from the person who believes it to glaze over the lack of founding in reality and the logical contradictions that come from it, and merely be satisfied with the appearance of reason, and a tidy justification for the satiation of your urge for revenge.
Tired now, but will come back and edit any meaningless waffle I let slip in.