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Title: America's Most Admired Companies
Post by: Alex Libman on March 06, 2008, 07:09:33 AM
The companies in the poll are listed in order from the 2008 "America's Most Admired Companies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America%27s_Most_Admired_Companies)" list published by Fortune Magazine on Feb 29th.  Additions since the 2007 list are BMW, Cisco, and 3M.  Gone are Amazon.com, PepsiCo, and Wal-Mart.

Post which one you picked as a consumer (or investor) and why.  I'm down on the Silicon Valley right now, so I went with Berkshire Hathaway, FedEx, and UPS.  The first because I still respect the hell out of Warren Buffett (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Buffett) - no company is innocent of political entanglements, and compared to others he represents long-term vision, value-driven analysis, and personal frugality.  And the two shipping companies because they're competing with the federal government, and they're a much bigger part of the Internet economy than most people realize.  Google wouldn't get much ad revenue if online shopping was hampered by Soviet-quality package delivery...
Title: Re: America's Most Admired Companies
Post by: Porcupine_in_MA on March 06, 2008, 12:07:04 PM
Google, Target and Federal Express for me. All companies I've had great experiences with.
Title: Re: America's Most Admired Companies
Post by: freeAgent on March 06, 2008, 12:38:43 PM
I chose Google, FedEx, and Microsoft, though many of those companies are worthy of admiration.
Title: Re: America's Most Admired Companies
Post by: sillyperson on March 06, 2008, 01:20:53 PM
GOOG has gone from $740 last November down to under $450 today.
I'm sorry, destroying nearly half of shareholder value is not an admirable thing, no matter how you sliceit.
Title: Re: America's Most Admired Companies
Post by: jimmed on March 06, 2008, 01:29:09 PM
I'm sorry, destroying nearly half of shareholder value is not an admirable thing, no matter how you sliceit.

Huh? The whole stock market is a scam. Nobody gives a shit about ethics.
Title: Re: America's Most Admired Companies
Post by: Hologene Relapse on March 06, 2008, 01:34:17 PM
Google for their decent development environment.
UPS for decent tracking of packages.
FedEx for more locations than UPS or USPS for pick-up and drop-off.

-- Brede
Title: Re: America's Most Admired Companies
Post by: Osborne on March 06, 2008, 02:50:14 PM
No Sakal/CAI on the list?
Title: Re: America's Most Admired Companies
Post by: trollfreezone on March 06, 2008, 03:18:39 PM
I chose Apple, FedEx and Costco because they get so much right and so little wrong.  They understand customer service better than their competitors, and they seem to understand what their customers value.

I appreciate the product integration in Apple's product line and the product quality compared particularly to M$.  I liked FedEx's efforts to revolutionize the shipping business and their commitment to getting packages where they're going on time, and if something should happen to go wrong, they'll get someone on the horn to tell me exactly what did go wrong, where the package is, and when the package will get where it's going.  Costco has great prices on great brands, and offers pretty-much unparalleled customer service.
Title: Re: America's Most Admired Companies
Post by: sillyperson on March 06, 2008, 03:29:08 PM
No Sakal/CAI on the list?

RTFA!

The companies in the poll are listed in order from the 2008 "America's Most Admired Companies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America%27s_Most_Admired_Companies)" list published by Fortune Magazine on Feb 29th.

You just need Sakal to get on Fortune's radar...
Title: Re: America's Most Admired Companies
Post by: jimmed on March 06, 2008, 04:40:48 PM
You just need Sakal to get on Fortune's radar...

Then FTL will be renamed "Sakal/CAI Freedom Radio".
Title: Re: America's Most Admired Companies
Post by: Harry Tuttle on March 07, 2008, 01:38:19 AM
What about Wal Mart? I love those guys.

I also love oil companies, pharmaceuticals, Microsoft, and anybody else that can still make a profit and satisfy customers while governments around the world treat them like a scourge.

Okay, I'm exaggerating, but I have an almost knee-jerk response to the opinions of 'environmentalists' and other leftists. To illustrate this problem of mine, I once had a friend ask me how I was voting on some issue and I told him that I always vote the opposite of the teachers unions. I've kept a careful tally since then and I don't believe I have ever shared a vote with them.
Title: Re: America's Most Admired Companies
Post by: Laetitia on March 07, 2008, 08:10:19 AM
Many of the companies on the list make great product and/or provide fantastic services, but have made two or more bad decisions for every great one. (Apple, anyone?)

Anyway:

FedEx - for all the reasons listed by others. UPS deserves mention, too. FedEx started the overnight delivery, and has moved to include ground shipping. UPS just built from the opposite direction. UPS might even rank higher for me than FedEx. UPS didn't partner with the government agency which restricted it's market from the beginning.

Starbucks - Marketing genius! Constantly adapting to keep up with customer needs/wants and to stay ahead of the competition.

Johnson & Johnson - Longevity and stability. Not great by itself, but they always make money. Their products are in demand in both good and bad economic times, their customers and investors are happy, and I can't recall any big scandals about them. P&G is pretty good too, but I'm partial to J&J - especially as I'm wearing several bandaids at the moment.
Title: Re: America's Most Admired Companies
Post by: Porcupine_in_MA on March 07, 2008, 08:59:45 AM
UPS didn't partner with the government agency which restricted it's market from the beginning.

I was not aware of that. Hmmmm. As far as oil companies, I had forgotten about them, I do have an admiration for some things about them. The problem with a lot of big businesses is the same as a lot of other sized businesses, they go crying and/or begging to the government to get their way or a hand-out. I can't stand individuals doing that, same as groups of individuals. Doesn't matter if they're for or non profits.
Title: Re: America's Most Admired Companies
Post by: Alex Libman on March 07, 2008, 09:09:42 AM
Johnson & Johnson - Longevity and stability. Not great by itself, but they always make money. Their products are in demand in both good and bad economic times, their customers and investors are happy, and I can't recall any big scandals about them. P&G is pretty good too, but I'm partial to J&J - especially as I'm wearing several bandaids at the moment.

Yeah, J&J is nice, would have been my #4.  I actually interviewed for a programming job at their WHQ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnson_%26_Johnson#Headquarters) when I was living in North Brunswick, NJ.  (I didn't get it, but I'm sure I have a better reason than sour grapes for not picking it in my top three...  Or do I?)  The RWJ foundation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Wood_Johnson_Foundation) is the 7th biggest in the world (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wealthiest_foundations), and the largest charitable foundation in U.S. devoted entirely to medicine.
Title: Re: America's Most Admired Companies
Post by: Laetitia on March 07, 2008, 11:22:44 AM
UPS didn't partner with the government agency which restricted it's market from the beginning.

I was not aware of that. Hmmmm. As far as oil companies, I had forgotten about them, I do have an admiration for some things about them. The problem with a lot of big businesses is the same as a lot of other sized businesses, they go crying and/or begging to the government to get their way or a hand-out. I can't stand individuals doing that, same as groups of individuals. Doesn't matter if they're for or non profits.

FedEx has a partnership of some sort with the USPS. Don't remember what it is, but it's something.
Title: Re: America's Most Admired Companies
Post by: freeAgent on March 08, 2008, 11:43:57 AM
GOOG has gone from $740 last November down to under $450 today.
I'm sorry, destroying nearly half of shareholder value is not an admirable thing, no matter how you sliceit.

Google doesn't control the value of its stock, so I can't really put all that much blame on them based solely on the price of its stock dropping.  The whole market has gone down anyway.  What I can credit them with is their ingenuity and ability to finance many wonderful tools through internet advertising.  They've made the world a better place.
Title: Re: America's Most Admired Companies
Post by: Ghost of Alex Libman on April 27, 2009, 08:26:25 PM
The 2009 list (http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/mostadmired/2009/full_list/index.html):

  • (01)  Apple

  • (02)  Berkshire Hathaway

  • (03)  Toyota Motor

  • (04)  Google

  • (05)  Johnson & Johnson

  • (06)  Procter & Gamble

  • (07)  FedEx

  • (08)  Southwest Airlines

  • (09)  General Electric

  • (10)  Microsoft

  • (11)  Wal-Mart Stores

  • (12)  Coca-Cola

  • (13)  Walt Disney

  • (14)  Wells Fargo

  • (15)  Goldman Sachs Group

  • (16)  McDonald's

  • (17)  IBM

  • (18)  3M

  • (19)  Target

  • (20)  J.P. Morgan Chase

  • (21)  PepsiCo

  • (22)  Costco Wholesale

  • (23)  Nike

  • (24)  Nordstrom

  • (25)  Exxon Mobil

  • (26)  Bank of America

  • (27)  United Parcel Service

  • (28)  BMW

  • (29)  American Express

  • (30)  Hewlett-Packard

  • (31)  Cisco Systems

  • (32)  Honda Motor

  • (33)  Singapore Airlines

  • (34)  Starbucks

  • (35)  Caterpillar

  • (36)  Intel

  • (37)  Marriott International

  • (38)  Nestlé

  • (39)  Sony

  • (40)  Boeing

  • (41)  Deere

  • (42)  Nokia

  • (43)  Northwestern Mutual

  • (44)  Best Buy

  • (45)  General Mills

  • (46)  Toyota Industries

  • (47)  Lowe's

  • (48)  AT&T

  • (49)  Accenture

  • (50)  Samsung Electronics
Title: Re: America's Most Admired Companies
Post by: JWI on April 27, 2009, 08:28:44 PM
I have to admire (39)  Sony, they give me my paycheck.
Title: Re: America's Most Admired Companies
Post by: Ghost of Alex Libman on April 27, 2009, 08:34:55 PM
You work at Sony Creative Software (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Creative_Software)?
Title: Re: America's Most Admired Companies
Post by: JWI on April 27, 2009, 08:35:48 PM
You work at Sony Creative Software (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Creative_Software)?


Yup.
Title: Re: America's Most Admired Companies
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on April 28, 2009, 01:38:55 AM
Apple #1?  Are you kidding me?
Title: Re: America's Most Admired Companies
Post by: Ghost of Alex Libman on April 28, 2009, 09:54:22 AM
Very strange, given that a lot more people use Microsoft products than Apple (http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=8) or Google (http://marketshare.hitslink.com/search-engine-market-share.aspx?qprid=5).  I think it's all the socialist "monopoly" bullshit that's hurting them.  :x

And interesting how FedEx continues to widen the gap over UPS.



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Title: Re: America's Most Admired Companies
Post by: YixilTesiphon on May 06, 2009, 07:32:33 PM
Southwest. Southwest. Southwest. I just damn like them.
Title: Re: America's Most Admired Companies
Post by: Kevin Freeheart on May 08, 2009, 10:22:24 AM
I picked UPS, Google and Toyota from the poll options, but with the 2009, I change that.

UPS is still VERY high up there. I drive and love a Honda. I'm also incredibly happy with HP's support of open source software, their quality laptops and good customer service.
Title: Re: America's Most Admired Companies
Post by: Alex Libman 14 on May 09, 2009, 02:06:04 AM
I can't stand East Asian companies, because they remind me of the fact that I've never got anywhere when I contemplated learning Japanese / Korean / Cantonese / Mandarin...  :evil:
Title: Re: America's Most Admired Companies
Post by: Cognitive Dissident on May 09, 2009, 07:14:33 PM
Very strange, given that a lot more people use Microsoft products than Apple (http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=8) or Google (http://marketshare.hitslink.com/search-engine-market-share.aspx?qprid=5).  I think it's all the socialist "monopoly" bullshit that's hurting them.  :x

Face it.  It's their shitty product that's hurting them.  "a lot more people use Microsoft products" = Argumentum ad populum, and total bullshit.  People use M$ products because they come on their Walmart computer.
Title: Re: America's Most Admired Companies
Post by: Alex Libman 14 on May 09, 2009, 08:28:06 PM
Argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy, but we are talking about the subjective marketplace here.  The purpose of a product is to sell well, thus Microsoft products are successful.  A competitor is free to enter the global marketplace at any time to offer better software - many have tried and failed.
Title: Re: America's Most Admired Companies
Post by: atomiccat on May 09, 2009, 09:42:24 PM
You work at Sony Creative Software (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Creative_Software)?


Yup.

any Info on the when the new psp comes out and the specs of it , or what they are doing for ps3?
Title: Re: America's Most Admired Companies
Post by: JWI on May 09, 2009, 10:06:34 PM
You work at Sony Creative Software (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Creative_Software)?


Yup.

any Info on the when the new psp comes out and the specs of it , or what they are doing for ps3?

Different division than us.  I used to know a bit about each but I no longer work with that stuff.
Title: Re: America's Most Admired Companies
Post by: Cognitive Dissident on May 09, 2009, 11:31:20 PM
Argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy, but we are talking about the subjective marketplace here.  The purpose of a product is to sell well, thus Microsoft products are successful.  A competitor is free to enter the global marketplace at any time to offer better software - many have tried and failed.

Ask Steve Jobs if he thinks the purpose of the product is to sell well.
Title: Re: America's Most Admired Companies
Post by: Alex Libman 14 on May 10, 2009, 12:15:02 AM
Argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy, but we are talking about the subjective marketplace here.  The purpose of a product is to sell well, thus Microsoft products are successful.  A competitor is free to enter the global marketplace at any time to offer better software - many have tried and failed.

Ask Steve Jobs if he thinks the purpose of the product is to sell well.

I don't know Steve Jobs.

Nor use any of his software products.

Nor do any of my friends / coworkers...
Title: Re: America's Most Admired Companies
Post by: Cognitive Dissident on May 10, 2009, 03:25:59 AM
Argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy, but we are talking about the subjective marketplace here.  The purpose of a product is to sell well, thus Microsoft products are successful.  A competitor is free to enter the global marketplace at any time to offer better software - many have tried and failed.

Ask Steve Jobs if he thinks the purpose of the product is to sell well.

I don't know Steve Jobs.

Nor use any of his software products.

Nor do any of my friends / coworkers...


That's obvious.
Title: Re: America's Most Admired Companies
Post by: anarchir on May 12, 2009, 02:18:48 AM
Voted Google, Microsoft, Target in that order.
Google - Do No Evil is their motto, plus they are overall and amazing company.
Microsoft - They have affected my life in so many great ways with their amazing product.
Target - Um, I like their clothing and prices. Yep.
Apple - I cannot stand them or their fanboys. Product=sucktacular   Handling of the greatest band evah (Beatles)= also sucktacular
I dont drink coffee so Starbucks is bleh.
The rest I either know nothing about or just am neutral about.
Title: Re: America's Most Admired Companies
Post by: Alex Libman 14 on May 12, 2009, 12:48:22 PM
"Do No Evil" may be Google's motto, but they're in bed with the government, more so than is publicly known.  Plus they're centralizing the Internet, squashing better technologies like open source search, P2P video streaming, etc in the process.  They are a publicly traded company, and their revenue model depends on taking away your right to block their ads / tracking code, etc.  Sooner or later, Evil will emerge.
Title: Re: America's Most Admired Companies
Post by: NHArticleTen on May 12, 2009, 01:15:27 PM
http://www.barrettrifles.com/
Title: Re: America's Most Admired Companies
Post by: anarchir on May 12, 2009, 03:53:12 PM
"Do No Evil" may be Google's motto, but they're in bed with the government, more so than is publicly known.  Plus they're centralizing the Internet, squashing better technologies like open source search, P2P video streaming, etc in the process.  They are a publicly traded company, and their revenue model depends on taking away your right to block their ads / tracking code, etc.  Sooner or later, Evil will emerge.

I agree with that last sentence, but they are being watched so closely that I'm crossing my fingers and (gasp) hoping they do more good before falling to bad actions.
Title: Re: America's Most Admired Companies
Post by: atomiccat on May 12, 2009, 04:26:57 PM
Voted Google, Microsoft, Target in that order.
Google - Do No Evil is their motto, plus they are overall and amazing company.
Microsoft - They have affected my life in so many great ways with their amazing product.
Target - Um, I like their clothing and prices. Yep.
Apple - I cannot stand them or their fanboys. Product=sucktacular   Handling of the greatest band evah (Beatles)= also sucktacular
I dont drink coffee so Starbucks is bleh.
The rest I either know nothing about or just am neutral about.

Remember Target supports national slavery
Title: Re: America's Most Admired Companies
Post by: anarchir on May 12, 2009, 04:46:21 PM
...

Remember Target supports national slavery

I forgot. Remind me.
Title: Re: America's Most Admired Companies
Post by: NHArticleTen on May 12, 2009, 05:27:01 PM
...

Remember Target supports national slavery

I forgot. Remind me.

they're on the "national service" bandwagon bullshit...

mandatory service my ass...fuck them...

it IS an OBAMANATION after all...

fucking mobocracy anyways...

enjoy!