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do u liek football

Yes, I am a fan of [team].
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Yeah a bit.
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I don't mind it.
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I don't care either way.
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Am I the only libertarian (North American) football fan?
« on: January 21, 2009, 10:31:15 PM »

It seems like libertarians tend not to be sports fans. Not only that, but most libertarians I know are actively opposed to the idea of sports fanhood at all, citing its irrationality.

Well, I am a football fan. I realize that there is nothing logical about being a fan of a particular football team. I realize that "we" - Pittsburghers - didn't beat "them" - Baltimore - on Sunday. I realize that being a Steelers fan because I grew up in the Pittsburgh area has no logical basis.

And I don't care.

Although I suppose that having played football myself for several years, I appreciate the strategy involved in the game more than others might, I don't feel like I have to give a "logical" reason for being a Steelers fan. The fact that I think it's fun is reason enough for me. I enjoy the friendly rivalry, I enjoy the suspense, and I also like black and gold (since even before I was a market anarchist).

But anyway. Is anyone else here a football fan? Just curious.
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Re: Am I the only libertarian (North American) football fan?
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2009, 10:36:29 PM »

I enjoy a good football game, the problem is you never know if they're going to be good.

When the Sooners are winning, Norman is fucking awesome.  I like it when Norman is awesome.  I have my teams I root for both pro and college but I'm not really attached to the outcome.
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Re: Am I the only libertarian (North American) football fan?
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2009, 10:42:29 PM »

I'm a fair-weather fan.  I followed the Dallas Cowboys back when they were good; cannot get interested at all when they suck.  Probably helped that I'm from Dallas.

I've not heard the argument that it's irrational.
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Re: Am I the only libertarian (North American) football fan?
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2009, 10:58:35 PM »

My father is a member of the Libertarian Party (Bob Barr supporter) and he claims that "organized sports are of the devil".
I despise him.
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Re: Am I the only libertarian (North American) football fan?
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2009, 11:05:59 PM »

I've not heard the argument that it's irrational.

Well it's not so much that it's irrational - anything that you do because you find value in it is rational, per se. But it can be said to be illogical in an objectivist sense. People feel a sense of accomplishment when "their" team wins, even though they really had jack-all to do with the team's victory. They feel like it makes "their city" better than the city or region represented by the team they defeated.

It is illogical in that sense. But like I said, I don't care. I don't need any reason for being a football fan other than "I enjoy it". Thing is I know a lot of libertarians who think that it's somehow wrong to enjoy something that doesn't have some "logical" value. E.g., if you don't benefit physically from something, you shouldn't enjoy it. I'm "stupid" because I get into the strategy of moving a leather ball from one end of a field to another to a certain goal. Then they go and spend hundreds of hours per week learning the strategy of moving a bunch of pixels around on a screen to a certain goal.  :?
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Re: Am I the only libertarian (North American) football fan?
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2009, 11:55:36 PM »

Yes, I am a fan of Cal Bears, and Raiders.
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Re: Am I the only libertarian (North American) football fan?
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2009, 12:14:48 AM »

Bunch of millionaires bumping bellies on a big field. Arcane rules that make no sense. I have better things to do.
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Re: Am I the only libertarian (North American) football fan?
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2009, 12:33:38 AM »

Bunch of millionaires bumping bellies on a big field. Arcane rules that make no sense. I have better things to do.

Arcane rules?
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Re: Am I the only libertarian (North American) football fan?
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2009, 12:51:15 AM »

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Re: Am I the only libertarian (North American) football fan?
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2009, 12:51:29 AM »

Bunch of millionaires bumping bellies on a big field. Arcane rules that make no sense. I have better things to do.

Arcane rules?

Like chess, maybe?
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Re: Am I the only libertarian (North American) football fan?
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2009, 01:00:07 AM »

requiring secret or mysterious knowledge; "the arcane science of dowsing"

I know what it means. Football is not that difficult to understand.  :?
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Re: Am I the only libertarian (North American) football fan?
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2009, 01:01:52 AM »

oops...  I'm tired too, I thought I had NOT posted that.
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Re: Am I the only libertarian (North American) football fan?
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2009, 01:30:13 AM »

I'll watch it if it's on, but since I don't have cable, I'll see maybe one game a year. The last one I can remember watching was a Seahawks playoff game a few years ago where a bunch a crazy shit happened, and the Seahawks won by like one point after the other team's ball-kicking-guy completely fucked up.

My biggest pet peeve with organized sports is people who refer to their team as 'we' and 'us'. "Did you see the game last night?"  "Yeah, we totally sucked."  Rooting for a team does not make you a part of the team.

Oh, and:

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Re: Am I the only libertarian (North American) football fan?
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2009, 08:28:06 AM »

Bunch of millionaires bumping bellies on a big field. Arcane rules that make no sense. I have better things to do.

Arcane rules?

The point system makes no rational sense. A touchdown does not equal one point, for example, but half a dozen points. It's called "football," except feet seldom actually touch the ball. It's supposed to last four fifteen minute quarters, except every game I've ever been to seems to drag on for hours and hours.

The game itself is unrelentingly dull. There is a brief flurry of activity, followed by much milling around on the field. The only really entertaining part is in the middle, when a show is held.

Still, millions of people seem to derive much enjoyment from the game, so I suppose it has merit. It's a substitute for war, so I guess that is of some benefit.
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Re: Am I the only libertarian (North American) football fan?
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2009, 08:44:40 AM »

I never cared for watching it. I loved playing it with friends or with people in the neighborhood.
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