The Free Talk Live BBS
Free Talk Live => The Polling Pit => Topic started by: Alex Libman on May 20, 2007, 03:35:22 AM
-
This poll oversimplifies the broader question of teenage sexuality just to gauge what you think the proper minimum age should be. I know that a number of progressive ideas exist to allow flexibility on this issue, including: parental permission, personal liability insurance, IQ tests & certification, religious traditions, age differences, local vs state vs federal laws, etc, etc, etc. (See also a related poll here (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=3018.0).) This poll also assumes the same age of consent for all genders and types of sexual activity.
So, if you have to set it at a specific age, what should that age be?
-
Hmmm, hard to pin down... 16 would be about right for some 'consent' since about that time the brain is fairly developed in making abstract decisions, but that doesn't guarantee anything. What the question should be is at what age does a parent let go of protecting their child and let that child to learn on its own?
-- Brede
-
I would find any age as long as it is with equaly old people to be morally fine so that there isn't an individual of authority to manipulate a weak minded individual... Governement doesn't have anything to do with it, parents do!
-
Hmmm, hard to pin down... 16 would be about right
What a bitch. Of course, you are like 22 and still none but...
-
I would find any age as long as it is with equaly old people to be morally fine so that there isn't an individual of authority to manipulate a weak minded individual.
I know that I'm radical on this but I'd set the age of consent closer to puberty--probably 13. The absence of an AOC law wouldn't get rid of rape laws, it would just get rid of the insulting assumption that teens are clueless.
-
One of the problems with growing up in America is that there is no rite of passage. At one age, you can do this; at another, that; at yet another, the other thing.
I think that once you have established in some manner that you are an adult, you should have all of the rights of an adult. This ought to come at one of three points: when you openly state your majority and are no longer supported by someone else, at high school graduation, or at the age of 21.
-
It would be stupid to try and set one. Everyone is different.
-
Puberty, but everyone goes through it at different ages, so I vote no age of consent.
-
0 years old.
-
Hmmm, hard to pin down... 16 would be about right
What a bitch. Of course, you are like 22 and still none but...
Ass sphincter says what?
-
How about letting the market decide on an individual basis? Are we to believe there is some magical date where someone is able to have sex after but not before? Give me a break.
If I am going to have sex with an 11 year old, then I had best make sure that her family is OK with it and not going to kick my ass and chop off my balls.
-
Menger, but do you accept the fact that 16 is the average age by which the brain is formed sufficiently to make abstract judgments? Remember, neurologists have proven that point time and time again in their studies.
-- Brede
-
Are we talking about my daughter? Or yours?
-
42, of course.
-
Well hey, I looked just like I do now when I was 12, except I had a different hair color. That doesn't mean I was ready to have sex. That also doesn't mean I didn't. But we're not going there. Just an example.
-
At 16, you get certain responsibilities, legally drive a car, and so can also get car insurance.
Thats gotta mean something.
Maybe at that age, you could try for emancipation.
-
I guess everybody matures differently, and the government has tried to pick an age that they think generally works, which is what the author of this poll is trying to make us do. Which is why I have not voted, and will not vote in this particular poll.
-
0
-
0
Sicko.
-
If the education system allowed students to specialize and focus more on where their aptitudes lay, our educational coming of age could be brought more in line with our biological maturation. Since we can't delay puberty, why not accelerate our ability to support ourselves so that we're not still sitting around diagramming sentences and learning revisionist history four or five years after our gonads have ripened?
I think people could finish primary education in eighth grade and then what are now the high school years could be the college years, so college graduates would be entering the work force at 18. Those who didn't go to college could serve apprenticeships and be fully prepared for a vocational career at the age of 16. The age of majority for EVERYTHING would need to be lowered to 18, and the age of absolute sexual consent could be lowered to 16. By the time kids reach this age, they're gonna do what they're gonna do. Parents will have the same luck keeping a teenager out of this sort of trouble with or without a law.
-
0
Then show me a fully adapted brain capable of abstract thought at that age. Otherwise, you lose. Here's a hint, you won't until approximate 16 years of age of said brain. Arbitrary? No.
Gotta love neurology.
-- Brede
-
0
Sicko.
I said it first.
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=13853.msg248195#msg248195
And I stand by it.
-
Key word - "approximate." People ain't no statistics there, darlin'. Kids start to for basic abstract concepts around age 11, why not use that?
Um because it's not the largest sum of the population, dipstick. You clearly DO NOT EVEN UNDERSTAND STATISTICS, OTHERWISE YOU WOULD NOT MAKE SUCH STUPID CLAIMS.
Lemme explain it to you why, 16 is a good number...
1. It COVERS YOUR 12 y/o. And why? Because a 12 y/o is less than 2 (order of magnitudes) positions away from 16.
2. It also covers the 18 y/o. Same reason as 1.
3. BECAUSE DUE TO THE NATURE OF THE BRAIN 16 IS THE MOST COMMON SAMPLE AGE OF A MATURED BRAIN IN THE TOTAL SUM OF THE POPULATION IN REGARDS TO HEALTHY HUMANS. I typed that all in caps to just throw you off. :lol:
Either way, you lose. Because you're a fuckstick moron. gb2/sk00l and get edumakation.
-- Brede
-
I say that we all just have sex right now.
-
You're kind of missing the points:
1. Fuck you're 'majority population' statist bullshit.
2. You're age restriction has already been implemented and it doesn't do jack shit.
So, in fact you lose. Why? Because the world isn't fucking logical, and people are dumbasses.
Agreed. What the hell is the difference between a 15 year old and a 16 year old? I could have drove just fine and had sex just fine at 15...but wait, I felt the same when I was 14...but wait...I-
You get the picture.
-
I agree with Josh. I mean, I know I've always felt older than I was. And quite some years back, I was sure I was ready to go ahead and have sex. So I did. I don't think I'm scarred for life or anything. I guess the drought is my karmic retribution for starting so early, though. :lol:
-
I agree with Josh. I mean, I know I've always felt older than I was. And quite some years back, I was sure I was ready to go ahead and have sex. So I did. I don't think I'm scarred for life or anything. I guess the drought is my karmic retribution for starting so early, though. :lol:
I became sexually active fairly early, for back in the day, at least. Iwas a couple grades ahead, and some of my female friends (then 15-16) were just breaking into that level. I was curious, tried it. Realized I could do a better job myself, and then didn't get into another sexual relationship until about 2 years later. I was mature enough to make that decision at 13. Some of those friends I mentioned? Went off the deep end. Boyfriend after boyfriend, in trouble with their parents after getting caught, and a couple who either dropped out to have a baby or took a few days off for "medical" reasons.
Hell. There are people of all ages who aren't mature enough to make those types of decisions.
-
I agree with Josh. I mean, I know I've always felt older than I was. And quite some years back, I was sure I was ready to go ahead and have sex. So I did. I don't think I'm scarred for life or anything. I guess the drought is my karmic retribution for starting so early, though. :lol:
So did he have a big cock?
-
I agree with Josh. I mean, I know I've always felt older than I was. And quite some years back, I was sure I was ready to go ahead and have sex. So I did. I don't think I'm scarred for life or anything. I guess the drought is my karmic retribution for starting so early, though. :lol:
I became sexually active fairly early, for back in the day, at least. Iwas a couple grades ahead, and some of my female friends (then 15-16) were just breaking into that level. I was curious, tried it. Realized I could do a better job myself, and then didn't get into another sexual relationship until about 2 years later. I was mature enough to make that decision at 13. Some of those friends I mentioned? Went off the deep end. Boyfriend after boyfriend, in trouble with their parents after getting caught, and a couple who either dropped out to have a baby or took a few days off for "medical" reasons.
Hell. There are people of all ages who aren't mature enough to make those types of decisions.
Exactly. Also exactly why setting an age is stupid, on anyone's part.
-
I agree with Josh. I mean, I know I've always felt older than I was. And quite some years back, I was sure I was ready to go ahead and have sex. So I did. I don't think I'm scarred for life or anything. I guess the drought is my karmic retribution for starting so early, though. :lol:
So did he have a big cock?
Of course. That's all part of the universe's payback system. :lol:
-
With 22 votes submitted, the current average (ignoring the "or older / younger" factor) is...
14 years, 4 months, 27 days, 16 hours, 4 minutes, and 35.92128 seconds!
Yaay democracy! :lol:
(Keep voting, I'll update this calculation every few days.)
-
Alex, we all know that you want it to be at least 6 years old.
-
Now I kind of feel like I'm too old. :lol:
-
You're never too old to be fucked.
-
I don't know man, I'm starting to think I've passed my something or other.
-
Lies.
If I never have sex again, I'll find you and let you know it wasn't lies. :lol:
-
I don't know man, I'm starting to think I've passed my something or other.
Don't we all?
-
You won't know until you're dead, and even then you can't rule out Necrophilia.
Pfft. I'll haunt you or something. Besides, when you hit 80 or so I think it might be a done deal.
-
You won't know until you're dead, and even then you can't rule out Necrophilia.
Pfft. I'll haunt you or something. Besides, when you hit 80 or so I think it might be a done deal.
Have you ever seen old people porn? No way.
-
No, I've never seen old people porn. I can't get any just shy of 20, I doubt I'll get some in sixty years. I must simply accept it. :lol:
-
Woe is me.
-
Woe is me.
Not really. Besides, I can get it done better myself, like Joy said earlier.
-
But it's not the same, and Joy has a husband...who she probably fucks.
-
Well, yeah. Of course it's not the same. In my experience, it's generally better. For me, anyway. Maybe I just need better sex.
-
You just need me or Jay pounding that shit.
-
Give the girl a break, guys.
Everybody goes through an occasional drought, even in a relationship.
And when not in a relationship, a drought doesn't mean you can't - it often has more to do with personal preferences. Quantity is easy. Quality is worth the wait.
And of course, I now must say: Mr. Joy is awesome, sex every day, sometimes twice. Work, lack of sleep, the occasional cold/flu, busy schedules and three children NEVER interfere. :roll:
-
The poor guy gets called Mr. Joy though. He must be a good sport. :lol:
-
Give the girl a break, guys.
Everybody goes through an occasional drought, even in a relationship.
And when not in a relationship, a drought doesn't mean you can't - it often has more to do with personal preferences. Quantity is easy. Quality is worth the wait.
And of course, I now must say: Mr. Joy is awesome, sex every day, sometimes twice. Work, lack of sleep, the occasional cold/flu, busy schedules and three children NEVER interfere. :roll:
So you're saying he has a pretty big cock?
-
The poor guy gets called Mr. Joy though. He must be a good sport. :lol:
If I use his name from the BBS, he'll be much less of a good sport.
-
Wait, what?
-
Hold up...he's on the BBS? So he knows about all us freaks hitting on you? :shock:
-
xX!
-
FUH-REAKS!
-
I think I has discovered it!
-
Hold up...he's on the BBS? So he knows about all us freaks hitting on you? :shock:
He's a man, and not stupid. Of course he knows.
-
But he's not the jealous type?
-
I think I has discovered it!
Well, it's only really a big secret in his mind. But, what will temporary silence cost me?
-
I think I has discovered it!
Well, it's only really a big secret in his mind. But, what will temporary silence cost me?
Nothing at all. I never intended to say anything, silly. :D
-
But he's not the jealous type?
Why? Should he be?
I get into some silly discussions on here, but a lot of it is politics/culture/economics. He enjoys those things, though not always as much as I do, and likes that my chats with you all helps round out my arguments with him.
'Sides, like I've said before, it's my boyfriend who is the jealous type. :P
-
I think I has discovered it!
Well, it's only really a big secret in his mind. But, what will temporary silence cost me?
Nothing at all. I never intended to say anything, silly. :D
Darn. Blackmail would have made for such a good story over beer with my bar buddies.
-
I think I has discovered it!
Well, it's only really a big secret in his mind. But, what will temporary silence cost me?
Nothing at all. I never intended to say anything, silly. :D
Darn. Blackmail would have made for such a good story over beer with my bar buddies.
Oh sorry. Okay, uhm...$5000 and your famous secret peach pie recipe!
-
1. Fuck your 'majority population' statist bullshit.
It's not statist and it's not bullshit. It's called science. Please go and study Elementary Statistics and then come back to me.
2. You're age restriction has already been implemented and it doesn't do jack shit.
Actually it does alot. It covers the legal contract issue. Your dumb little chav ass doesn't grasp that. What you want is a little 6 y/o some how magically being responsible for a fortune 500 company. Guess what? This isn't an Archie comic, so please get a fucking grip. Age of Consent means AGE WHEN YOU CAN FUCKING BUY AND SELL SHIT IN CONTRACT. Not what age you can fuck and have babies. You dumb little shitball. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE. PLEASE GET WITH THE PROGRAM.
YOU LOSE! GOOD DAY, SIR!
So, in fact you lose. Why? Because the world isn't fucking logical, and people are dumbasses.
So A is non-A at the same time? Nope. Try to dodge that bullet Neo!
-- Brede
-
YOU LOSE! GOOD DAY, SIR!
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/DamnThoseWiffyDogs/Animated/WonkaLOSE.gif)
-
YOU LOSE! GOOD DAY, SIR!
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/DamnThoseWiffyDogs/Animated/WonkaLOSE.gif)
+1
-
Wonka rox.
-
Joy's a girl?
-
Always has been...I assume.
-
Ask Mr. Joy.
-
How can I if he's being all anonymous, and shit?
-
I don't know. You're Brasky. I thought you'd figure it out. :lol:
-
How can I if he's being all anonymous, and shit?
You know who it is.
Hint: you talk to him every day.
-
I don't think theres a Mr. Joy. It's a sham. To keep the internet scuzzbuckets away, like a beware of dog sign, but theres no dog.
I don't blame you Joy. I've been thinking about digging a mote and filling it with snarling dingos.
-
I don't think theres a Mr. Joy. It's a sham. To keep the internet scuzzbuckets away, like a beware of dog sign, but theres no dog.
I don't blame you Joy. I've been thinking about digging a mote and filling it with snarling dingos.
Damnit! You've blown my cover. So much for the auditions I was holding for the role of Mr. Joy at PorcFest.
-
It's the nice ones you have to watch out for.
-
You all know that marriage is the way to go.
You got to keep the body clean. All of todays virgins are being sold on the black market. All parents fear the creep who will come into their daughters' lives.
I hear a lot of people say that you gotta know if you are "compatible" with your partner before you get married, but this is just crazy hippy talk...as if sex is like rocket science. If you like yer partner, then you will figure it out.
We are all becoming a bunch of no-good whores...too many of us will not be settling down...and forced to perpetually "play the scene", to doom.
I am not religious, but I love the Christian way when it comes to sex. They have it right. Virgins rock the world, and if you don't believe, then you are just a trifflin' skank.
-
And of course, I now must say: Mr. Joy is awesome, sex every day, sometimes twice. Work, lack of sleep, the occasional cold/flu, busy schedules and three children NEVER interfere. :roll:
Please, that stuff always interferes.
-
I don't think theres a Mr. Joy. It's a sham.
That may be, but he did a pretty good job of convincing me he existed when I met him in person
-
It's not statist and it's not bullshit. It's called science. Please go and study Elementary Statistics and then come back to me.
So your saying the state isn't going to be enforcing this on people regardless of their consent? Huh. "Whatever" then.
It will if you try to make a stupid contract with a kid. So say you make a kid, a two year old, responsible for the running of a corporation. Then sue the kid when its ran into ground. The judges and juries will point and laugh at you, and never ever award you anything. Why? Because the TWO YEAR OLD CANNOT CONSENT TO A CONTRACT. Q. E. D. Thank you trying, but you lose everytime with me.
Actually it does alot. It covers the legal contract issue. Your dumb little chav ass doesn't grasp that. What you want is a little 6 y/o some how magically being responsible for a fortune 500 company. Guess what? This isn't an Archie comic, so please get a fucking grip.
Riiight. Nope, actually British courts ignore contract law 95+% of the time and the state has no business predefining individual contracts.
P.S. 'A lot' - two different words, please take a fucking English class.
Um no because the reality is this is CASE LAW, dumb ass. I don't care what you fag ass brits do there, because the case law here says otherwise. Maybe you need a better legal system to work with, and alot will be spelled as I WANT IT TO BE SO YOU CAN FUCK OFF AND PUT ME ON IGNORE IF YOU LIKE. Until then, EAT SHIT AND DIE, NUB.
Age of Consent means AGE WHEN YOU CAN FUCKING BUY AND SELL SHIT IN CONTRACT. Not what age you can fuck and have babies. You dumb little shitball. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE. PLEASE GET WITH THE PROGRAM.
AoC is the Age you can consent to something, kinda as the name implies, I don't have to be 16 to consent to fucking, it's not all that complex. If you don't understand the complexities - sucks to be you, it's not my responsibility to pull your retarded ass out of the gene pool.
Um no shit, that's why AoC doesn't apply to it in 99% of all cases. AoC is like the issue of consent to contract. It's also known as the age of majority, or age of decision. So you lose, kiss my ass and die.
So A is non-A at the same time? Nope. Try to dodge that bullet Neo!
Depends on the conditions of reality. The world isn't logical because it's inhabited by mostly illogical creatures; aka. humans.
Nope, you seem to fail to recognize reality. Next, you'll say apples are oranges. The reality is they never will be. Btw, your argument has been attempted on that front with quantum mechanics, but no atom ever ceases to be an atom due to superposition or entanglement, therefore the law of identity ALWAYS OPERATES. Q. E. D. I win on that front too, and yes the world is logical because our capacity to be logical is directly dependent on our brain and senses which are made of little itty bitty atoms that obey a certain way. So your argument fails to take that into account, therefore the whole argument is false. again Q.E.D. and Enjoy your AIDS (tm)!
-- Brede
-
Btw, Cyro, your existential shit is not wanted. Keep it to yourself or get laughed at by all the scientists. :lol:
If you can't deal with it, then you're little fuckstick that probably never will, and probably hate your own mind and reality. :-P
-- Brede press the iggy button...
-
Okay, weird tangent, 'cause I don't give a shit about that. Where is the state necessary in this?
The state isn't even part of it. It's called common law.
Ha ha. You hate people disagreeing with you, don't you? I don't want to ignore you, I want to debate this shit. I'm just putting you through the same treatment you put everyone through. Ah well I'll just use your argument.
Nope, if you can't accept the facts that the case law states that a pre-16 y/o can't contract with you without its parents, then too bad. Get over it. And it does apply even in the UK, if you can find a judge that's honest enough in that nation. I'm surprised we do here in the States, but oddly because a good chunk of my nation is under urbanized I guess stupidity hasn't consumed what's left of our honest legal scholars and practicioners. None the less, the common law states 16 due to the nature of juries. No one has been convinced that a pre-16 empirically is capable of making complex decisions of contracting. Fuck, I don't know many people that would dare to take on a contrac with a 16 y/o, even with their parent's co-signing, which is often a stipulation.
Whether you agree or not, doesn't matter, because I got the reality of this practice here in the States to deal with, not some backwater nation like the UK.
No, but the government will still use it in 99% of those cases anyway.
And are those cases wrong? Nope.
Which humans rarely use. If humans had the reasoning capasity for logic in all cases, then why the hell do you need a law to stop people from being fucking illogical?
No, but they have no right to commit an immoral act of forcing a child in its ignorance to take upon responsibilities it cannot even conceive. That's what the community will do, it will protect the child from assholes, government or not. And usually without a government involved.
I don't follow any particular philosophy, anyway, let alone existansialism.
Bullshit, your arguments smack of existentialism and post-modernism. Accept reality as it is and stop being a retard.
Was it really necessary to bitchslap me though?
WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! You've been bsing me, you can't take your own medicine back? WAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Fuck off, you're back on iggy.
-- Brede
-
I think the age of consent should be set at 18 just because that is when a person is legally an adult; however, I don't think that breaking the age of legal consent should always be punished. I feel like if the age of consent is broken, the courts should then deal with it on a case to case basis. It seems like a case to case basis is the only way to properly handle something like statutory.
-
Yeah, but I assume this is libertopia, so current legalities need not apply. I'm with you in that I think there should be just one age all across the board. Either you're an adult and can make your old decisions like a grown up, or you're not. Simple. But why 18?
-
Eh, I don't think there should be a set age, but I'm kind of extremist like that. If you think you can make your own decisions, go ahead and try. Either you succeed or you fail. Depending on your friends or family, someone may or may not be there to scrape you off the floor if you fail. I know, I'm being kind of vague, but I can do that.
-
Well sure, if you want to get emancipated early or something I think there should be ways to do that, but there are a lot of things involved in actual living that require that you be an adult, particularly contracts of any kind (loans, leases, etc.). Just for everything to function there has to be a blanket age when someone should be considered an adult in the eyes of individuals and businesses.
I don't believe children should be having sex. Either you are free to make your own choices in the eyes of everyone, or you're free to make your own choices in the eyes of no one, and are still a child and subject to the whims of your caretaker. Adults are responsible for themselves, and should be assumed to be capable of forethought, and in the event that they are not, can sue for compensation or be sued. There is definitely a point in most every person's life where they feel they are prepared to take on that burden, and it's not the same for everyone, but it's really just not practical for adulthood to be determined case by case.
-
18? That's higher than a lot of states now! That age isn't even reasonable. A lot of people would be breaking that retarded law. Most don't want children having sex, which is why puberty makes sense.
-
18? That's higher than a lot of states now! That age isn't even reasonable. A lot of people would be breaking that retarded law. Most don't want children having sex, which is why puberty makes sense.
And how does that make sense???
Parents are just looking out for their daughters, and given these warped times, I don't blame them.
-
Precisely. It is not the government's (state or federal) job to care for my child. Or anyone else's child. As a parent, you decide when you talk to your children about sex. It is your responsibility to make them comfortable with you as a guide, and make sure they know that they can come to you with anything. Well, I guess that's just how I feel. As a young woman approaching twenty, I don't feel that I could go to my mother with anything remotely dating/sex/rite of passage-related. If I ever make the decision to have children, their lives will not be like that. It my responsibility, and the responsibility of the select few I entrust with my (potential) child to care for him or her, not the state or federal government's. I guess all you can do is try to educate your children and arm them with the power to make as smart a decision as he or she possibly can.
-
It makes me sad to see this kind of attitude towards sexuality. Here is a news flash: Sex is 99% mental. You don't have to practice yer SUPER AWESOME WICKED blowjob technique in preparation for your perfect lover.
The class, dignity, and innocence is so very lost. It is no fun to court these "experienced" souls. NO CLASS!!! I'd give my right arm to any girl capable of showing the kind of qualities that would trigger that good feeling of touching grace.
These times are lost, and few can see this tragic slip. I hope that we all get back to the appreciation of the true romance, and drop this idea of the vulgar and very phony instant gratification.
There's got to be someone out there willing to help me defend the supremacy of the gentle playfull way.
-
I don't know. Virginity is awkward. I like sex of the mind-blowing variety. Although I will say that I consider myself a pseudo-virgin anymore, since it's been so long.
-
It makes me sad to see this kind of attitude towards sexuality. Here is a news flash: Sex is 99% mental. You don't have to practice yer SUPER AWESOME WICKED blowjob technique in preparation for your perfect lover.
The class, dignity, and innocence is so very lost. It is no fun to court these "experienced" souls. NO CLASS!!! I'd give my right arm to any girl capable of showing the kind of qualities that would trigger that good feeling of touching grace.
These times are lost, and few can see this tragic slip. I hope that we all get back to the appreciation of the true romance, and drop this idea of the vulgar and very phony instant gratification.
There's got to be someone out there willing to help me defend the supremacy of the gentle playfull way.
Just because I'm realistic in that I understand young people have sex no matter what silly rules you set for them, doesn't mean I'm classless. I just think it's wrong to lock people up, or give them a record for it. As Lindsey said, it's up to parents to dictate their kid's sex lives (if they can... HA! good luck with that). To suggest that there is one magic age when people are mature enough to engage in sexual activity is silly nonsense. Age is just a number.
Are you suggesting that anyone who feels this way is automatically is incapable of having "true romance" and only interesting in "instant gratification"?
-
Okay, so when I first saw this thread, for some reason, I thought it was referring to a new Age of man. "The Age of Reason has ended, now, with the coming of voluntary government, we have the Age of Consent". LOL
Anyway, I'm with the others that say 0. I'm against any laws against individuals that are based on 'averages' of people. Its bad logic.
-
Okay, so when I first saw this thread, for some reason, I thought it was referring to a new Age of man. "The Age of Reason has ended, now, with the coming of voluntary government, we have the Age of Consent". LOL
Anyway, I'm with the others that say 0. I'm against any laws against individuals that are based on 'averages' of people. Its bad logic.
The Age of Consent should be your mom.
-
Okay, no AoC people. Then I refuse to be legally obliged to take any responsibility for damages incurred by my child upon him/herself or others through any such sexual activity, or consequences resulting in any way from.
That's how it's gotta work, if you want no age of consent. The interests of the parent are equally at stake when it comes to advocating that a child (non-adult) be given free reign in their own conduct, when the parent is still responsible in every way for that person. Saying that because some children will break the rules means we shouldn't have any, is probably the worst argument ever.
I wasn't saying the age should be 18. Americans as a whole are grossly immature and unprepared to cope with the real world even at 18 years of age. It may backfire, but if adulthood was defined to be a few years younger than that, they may grow up faster. And if they're considered an adult, and their parents are no longer held responsible for fixing their messes, then they can go do whatever the hell they want.
-
Okay, so when I first saw this thread, for some reason, I thought it was referring to a new Age of man. "The Age of Reason has ended, now, with the coming of voluntary government, we have the Age of Consent". LOL
Anyway, I'm with the others that say 0. I'm against any laws against individuals that are based on 'averages' of people. Its bad logic.
The Age of Consent should be your mom.
LOL are you referring to a parental setting of the age?
-
No, I'm saying that your mom oughta be fucked.
-
It makes me sad to see this kind of attitude towards sexuality. Here is a news flash: Sex is 99% mental. You don't have to practice yer SUPER AWESOME WICKED blowjob technique in preparation for your perfect lover.
The class, dignity, and innocence is so very lost. It is no fun to court these "experienced" souls. NO CLASS!!! I'd give my right arm to any girl capable of showing the kind of qualities that would trigger that good feeling of touching grace.
These times are lost, and few can see this tragic slip. I hope that we all get back to the appreciation of the true romance, and drop this idea of the vulgar and very phony instant gratification.
There's got to be someone out there willing to help me defend the supremacy of the gentle playfull way.
The family structure no longer supports it.
I'm sure there is something lost in the flippant way many people view their own sexuality and sex in general, but I don't know that it's entirely negative. I haven't been to many other countries, but America and Canada are definitely not romantic ones. When is the last time a great artist or poet arose out of this part of the world? Americans are hard and cold and place much less value on the arts and living aesthetically than they do in some other countries. The consequences of that can be seen in how superior the Western world has been when it comes to products of thought - production, engineering, etc. etc. It's just a matter of priorities.
-
The family structure would be able to support it if government wasn't squezing the last drop of sweat and then some from everyone.
-
No, I'm saying that your mom oughta be fucked.
And you had a chance to be oh so clever :/
-
No, I'm saying that your mom oughta be fucked.
And you had a chance to be oh so clever :/
I ran out of Clever Juice.
-
It makes me sad to see this kind of attitude towards sexuality. Here is a news flash: Sex is 99% mental. You don't have to practice yer SUPER AWESOME WICKED blowjob technique in preparation for your perfect lover.
The class, dignity, and innocence is so very lost. It is no fun to court these "experienced" souls. NO CLASS!!! I'd give my right arm to any girl capable of showing the kind of qualities that would trigger that good feeling of touching grace.
These times are lost, and few can see this tragic slip. I hope that we all get back to the appreciation of the true romance, and drop this idea of the vulgar and very phony instant gratification.
There's got to be someone out there willing to help me defend the supremacy of the gentle playfull way.
Just because I'm realistic in that I understand young people have sex no matter what silly rules you set for them, doesn't mean I'm classless. I just think it's wrong to lock people up, or give them a record for it. As Lindsey said, it's up to parents to dictate their kid's sex lives (if they can... HA! good luck with that). To suggest that there is one magic age when people are mature enough to engage in sexual activity is silly nonsense. Age is just a number.
Are you suggesting that anyone who feels this way is automatically is incapable of having "true romance" and only interesting in "instant gratification"?
Oh and I am realistic too, and I am not trying come across as perfect, because I know I am not.
On a few occasions, I recall the FTL show making fun of the Abstinence program in schools. I would not mind my tax money going to such a program, just because these kids are so messed up, they desperately need to hear that abstaining from sex is essential to their physical and mental wellbeing. We have to figure out a way to communicate this information so that these kids stop destroying their potential with their immature sex games.
And here is the FTL crew gigling over these failed government attempts to reach out to these poor young people...you guys should be ashamed! I have even heard Ian encourage young people to have sex as if it is no big thing. This is a very serious problem. These young girls are getting passed around like they are nothing...and FTL wants to have a giggle over it. SHAME!
Seriously, who needs prostitutes when plain Jane, down the block, is willing to give it for free? It is a disgrace for everyone. These "sex-positive" teachers need to quit promoting the philosophies of whores. Sex is not safe, and it is not designed for those who are irresponsible. It's not only destroying the young, but it is also destroying the adults who are too dull to respect this highly volatile energy.
This is not a religious rant. I am actually a kinky pervert of sorts, and I do odd types of things connected to the art of alchemy. It is important that young people acknowledge that sex can be very dangerous, and that young people are better off just having clean fun with friends...holding hands and all that good stuff. :D
-
Not all kids in sex ed classes are messed up. A person can have his or her head on pretty straight and still make a mistake. I mean, if none of us ever did anything stupid we'd learn a lot less. Life is all about taking chances. I don't think it's anybody else's place but mine to teach my kid about sex. Sex is definitely something personal, and a classroom full of kids giggling over condoms is not the ideal place to learn safe sex practices.
-
Not all kids in sex ed classes are messed up. A person can have his or her head on pretty straight and still make a mistake. I mean, if none of us ever did anything stupid we'd learn a lot less. Life is all about taking chances. I don't think it's anybody else's place but mine to teach my kid about sex. Sex is definitely something personal, and a classroom full of kids giggling over condoms is not the ideal place to learn safe sex practices.
I realize that there are good kids making mistakes, but there seems to be too many young people making mistakes that will severely damage their self-confidence. I'm mostly thinking of these young girls who are getting pressured everyday by these nasty boys.
-
It makes me sad to see this kind of attitude towards sexuality. Here is a news flash: Sex is 99% mental. You don't have to practice yer SUPER AWESOME WICKED blowjob technique in preparation for your perfect lover.
The class, dignity, and innocence is so very lost. It is no fun to court these "experienced" souls. NO CLASS!!! I'd give my right arm to any girl capable of showing the kind of qualities that would trigger that good feeling of touching grace.
These times are lost, and few can see this tragic slip. I hope that we all get back to the appreciation of the true romance, and drop this idea of the vulgar and very phony instant gratification.
There's got to be someone out there willing to help me defend the supremacy of the gentle playfull way.
The family structure no longer supports it.
I'm sure there is something lost in the flippant way many people view their own sexuality and sex in general, but I don't know that it's entirely negative. I haven't been to many other countries, but America and Canada are definitely not romantic ones. When is the last time a great artist or poet arose out of this part of the world? Americans are hard and cold and place much less value on the arts and living aesthetically than they do in some other countries. The consequences of that can be seen in how superior the Western world has been when it comes to products of thought - production, engineering, etc. etc. It's just a matter of priorities.
Leonard Cohen is really good, but he is starting to get old.
-
(http://praxeology.net/leonard-cohen-never-drinks-wine.PNG)
-
Okay, no AoC people. Then I refuse to be legally obliged to take any responsibility for damages incurred by my child upon him/herself or others through any such sexual activity, or consequences resulting in any way from.
That's how it's gotta work, if you want no age of consent. The interests of the parent are equally at stake when it comes to advocating that a child (non-adult) be given free reign in their own conduct, when the parent is still responsible in every way for that person. Saying that because some children will break the rules means we shouldn't have any, is probably the worst argument ever.
I wasn't saying the age should be 18. Americans as a whole are grossly immature and unprepared to cope with the real world even at 18 years of age. It may backfire, but if adulthood was defined to be a few years younger than that, they may grow up faster. And if they're considered an adult, and their parents are no longer held responsible for fixing their messes, then they can go do whatever the hell they want.
Thank you. When a person understands and communicates negative rights, that person has them... regardless of age. This is called emancipation in the current system, and it's exactly what I (for one) am advocating. There can be no fixed age at which everybody automatically becomes an adult; rather that happens as soon as one declares it with full acceptance of responsibility for his or her actions. As Badnarik puts it, rights and responsibilities are two sides of the same coin. I would merely add that everyone must individually choose when to pick it up.
-
I think I'd want the age of consent to be the same as the age you hit adulthood, but I don't think it should always be punishable if the age of consent is broken. The legal precedent would have to be that as long as there is no victim in the sex act it is not punishable. Hence, a fourteen year old girl would probably be a victim if she's having sex with a 40 something year old guy whether she knows it or not. A court would be a lot better to ascertain if she really is a victim.
-
I think I'd want the age of consent to be the same as the age you hit adulthood, but I don't think it should always be punishable if the age of consent is broken. The legal precedent would have to be that as long as there is no victim in the sex act it is not punishable. Hence, a fourteen year old girl would probably be a victim if she's having sex with a 40 something year old guy whether she knows it or not. A court would be a lot better to ascertain if she really is a victim.
The reality is that most pedophiles are mostly cowards and they will not go after these young teenagers unless these young people are already part of the underground sex scene. A larger portion of pedophiles will prey on young children who lack the ability to use logic.
These AOC laws are understood to be there in order to to protect young people from "adults". The problem is that the majority of sexual abuse is being done by young boys. This abuse is going on in the elementary school and primarily, high school level. The high school girls eventually come to realize that they have been abused, yet they never bother to report it, because our sex-crazed culture promotes a delusional notion that young people are "maturing" and "learning" about sex.
This is a huge disgrace, and few are willing to accept that our young sons are really vile monsters. These boys do not reason and they do not care. If we do not put a stop to it, then we will have to keep listening to the whores, justify their broken behavior.
But the "whores" do not want to be called "whores", Ya see. Because it hurts their feelings and brings deep shame. The "whores" want to be called "sexually liberated", because our secular culture allows for such perverted understanding.
-
I think I'd want the age of consent to be the same as the age you hit adulthood, but I don't think it should always be punishable if the age of consent is broken. The legal precedent would have to be that as long as there is no victim in the sex act it is not punishable. Hence, a fourteen year old girl would probably be a victim if she's having sex with a 40 something year old guy whether she knows it or not. A court would be a lot better to ascertain if she really is a victim.
Determine adulthood without arbitrary means and I'll agree.
-
I think I'd want the age of consent to be the same as the age you hit adulthood, but I don't think it should always be punishable if the age of consent is broken. The legal precedent would have to be that as long as there is no victim in the sex act it is not punishable. Hence, a fourteen year old girl would probably be a victim if she's having sex with a 40 something year old guy whether she knows it or not. A court would be a lot better to ascertain if she really is a victim.
The reality is that most pedophiles are mostly cowards and they will not go after these young teenagers...
I cut out the rest of that in my quoting process because I wanted to agree. But there's a catch. You're right, a pedophile won't go after a teenager. A pedophile does not have an attraction to teenagers. Pedophiles have an attraction to young children.
-
I think I'd want the age of consent to be the same as the age you hit adulthood, but I don't think it should always be punishable if the age of consent is broken. The legal precedent would have to be that as long as there is no victim in the sex act it is not punishable. Hence, a fourteen year old girl would probably be a victim if she's having sex with a 40 something year old guy whether she knows it or not. A court would be a lot better to ascertain if she really is a victim.
The reality is that most pedophiles are mostly cowards and they will not go after these young teenagers...
I cut out the rest of that in my quoting process because I wanted to agree. But there's a catch. You're right, a pedophile won't go after a teenager. A pedophile does not have an attraction to teenagers. Pedophiles have an attraction to young children.
Are you a lawyer or something?
Yer right with the official definition, but "pedophile" is genreally used for those interested in underage people. I can't remember the correct name for the lolita chasers, but yer right, in a way.
-
Maybe the AOC should be removed and a formula applied in its place. +/- 2 yrs up 'til 16, +/- 4 yrs from 16 to 18, then anything goes after that. Keep the youths from getting into problems with arbitrary lines, keep the pervs from nailing the teenyboppers. Something like that.
I donno, just a thought.
-
But what about the law?
-
I think I'd want the age of consent to be the same as the age you hit adulthood, but I don't think it should always be punishable if the age of consent is broken. The legal precedent would have to be that as long as there is no victim in the sex act it is not punishable. Hence, a fourteen year old girl would probably be a victim if she's having sex with a 40 something year old guy whether she knows it or not. A court would be a lot better to ascertain if she really is a victim.
The reality is that most pedophiles are mostly cowards and they will not go after these young teenagers...
I cut out the rest of that in my quoting process because I wanted to agree. But there's a catch. You're right, a pedophile won't go after a teenager. A pedophile does not have an attraction to teenagers. Pedophiles have an attraction to young children.
Are you a lawyer or something?
Yer right with the official definition, but "pedophile" is genreally used for those interested in underage people. I can't remember the correct name for the lolita chasers, but yer right, in a way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephebophilia
And no, I'm not a lawyer. My father always said I should be one though.
-
That picture of the Greek kid kissing the man is pretty fucking gay.
-
But what about the law?
That would be the law.
If people who made laws made that the law.
Gimme that fuckin phone. ring ring, Hey.
Murmer, murmer murmer.
Okay, g'bye.
Okay, we're good. What next?
-
Maybe the AOC should be removed and a formula applied in its place. +/- 2 yrs up 'til 16, +/- 4 yrs from 16 to 18, then anything goes after that. Keep the youths from getting into problems with arbitrary lines, keep the pervs from nailing the teenyboppers. Something like that.
I donno, just a thought.
Why couldn't people just take it to court if they have an issue with it?
If 'Motherfucker' (A) screws 'Whiny Bitch' (B), both aged 14, if B decides she's been had, let her take it to court, cover the cost of the trail and hope someone agrees with the stupid wench.
Rape is rape, I don't think you need a complex system based around ages to define the matter.
I suppose the laws are good enough to deter pedophiles to some extant, along with the no-laws that society dishes out to those who abuse. Problem is, the mind goes into a delicate place, and these young girls are not sure if they are being raped.
-
If they say "Yes...yes I want you to fuck me right now, I know 100% what I'm doing and the consequences of said action, and I give my full consent", is it okay?
-
Not sure if they're being raped? Yes is a lot different than no. If you have some freaky shit going on in your sex life, you make up a code word in place of just plain "no".
-
As far as consent and sex go, I don't think the problem is that people are having sex too young, or even that old geezers are having sex with 14 year olds. I think the problem is that we are neglecting to equip and educate our young on how to deal with sex by the time they reach sexual maturity. I'm sorry if you disagree with evolution, God, or whoever you think is responsible for the age at which people reach fruition, but it is what it is. People are pretty much able to procreate by the time they leave middle school (many even earlier), if they so desire. If you like evolution, this means that at some point in human history, someone who could procreate by age 13 or 14 was most likely to have successful offspring. This includes having the necessary abilities to raise the child to sexual maturity. If you're more of a fan of magic sky friends, then consider this: You believe that God created humans. If this is true, then God created people in such a way that they could, and would have a strong desire to, create babies by 13 or 14. If you think people shouldn't start having sex when God determined they should be equipped to, doesn't that mean you think God is wrong?
-
Not sure if they're being raped? Yes is a lot different than no. If you have some freaky shit going on in your sex life, you make up a code word in place of just plain "no".
Have you ever been persuaded into doing something you kinda didn't really want to do? It's like that, but on a soul-numbing level.
-
Not sure if they're being raped? Yes is a lot different than no. If you have some freaky shit going on in your sex life, you make up a code word in place of just plain "no".
Have you ever been persuaded into doing something you kinda didn't really want to do? It's like that, but on a soul-numbing level.
As a matter of fact, yes. If you don't want to do it, and you do anyway - it's a little bit different than saying no and being forcefully violated.
-
Not sure if they're being raped? Yes is a lot different than no. If you have some freaky shit going on in your sex life, you make up a code word in place of just plain "no".
Have you ever been persuaded into doing something you kinda didn't really want to do? It's like that, but on a soul-numbing level.
As a matter of fact, yes. If you don't want to do it, and you do anyway - it's a little bit different than saying no and being forcefully violated.
Yep. You can say no at any time.
-
Exactly. I swapped spit with some guy from work in a parking lot a while back. Did I particularly want to? No, not really. I was uncomfortable the whole time, but something compelled me to do it. Did he violate me? No, I consented...and that's where it all ends.
-
Not sure if they're being raped? Yes is a lot different than no. If you have some freaky shit going on in your sex life, you make up a code word in place of just plain "no".
Have you ever been persuaded into doing something you kinda didn't really want to do? It's like that, but on a soul-numbing level.
As a matter of fact, yes. If you don't want to do it, and you do anyway - it's a little bit different than saying no and being forcefully violated.
What I'm talking about is subtle stuff, but still very damaging. One might say, "Get over it!", but a lot of people cannot and it makes them shut off from a potential future partner that is honest and caring. The damage makes them less likely to trust a person that one is actually fond of. It's a bad scene. It forces the potential future partner to work harder than necessary. Not good.
I don't want to complicate these things, but these ideas are worth considering, if people are looking to respect the minds of others.
----
BTW...I took Taors off ignore...I noticed that the ignore function doesn't work, unless I log in. I'll just put up with his crap.
-
What crap? I'm giving you valid arguments...
-
LET'S ALL STOP HAVING SEX!
-
I'm gonna put it in your stinkhole if you don't pipe down.
-
You would never.
-
If I felt like it...and you'd love it.
-
Ugh, my colon is crying at the thought. :lol:
-
It's small, it won't hurt.
-
It wouldn't touch your colon anyway.
-
you sluts can have eachother. I am going to marry a gentle virgin, and you people will never be invited to my humble abode.
-
Just remember that I'll be having better sex than you!
-
Richard's ass probably smells like shit anyway.
-
Just remember that I'll be having better sex than you!
WHHHHHHHAAAATT??? How do you know that?
-
Because I'm that good. I just know.
-
She's drunk. She becomes clairvoyant when she gets wasted.
-
This man speaks the truth.
-
What would it take to convert you to my way....money?
-
Uhh, I don't think I can be converted to your way...considering the non-virgin status and all...
-
Uhh, I don't think I can be converted to your way...considering the non-virgin status and all...
Very logical. Logic turns me on, ya know.
-
Down, boy! :lol:
-
Down, boy! :lol:
Ha! Goodnight, missy.
-
I'm still a virgin.
-
Nothing wrong with that. If I could change the way I did things a long time ago, I probably would still be a virgin. I don't regret it, really. I just wish I'd waited longer.
-
Maybe the AOC should be removed and a formula applied in its place. +/- 2 yrs up 'til 16, +/- 4 yrs from 16 to 18, then anything goes after that. Keep the youths from getting into problems with arbitrary lines, keep the pervs from nailing the teenyboppers. Something like that.
I donno, just a thought.
Rape is rape, I don't think you need a complex system based around ages to define the matter.
I don't mean to take that out of context, but two points...
1) The system is already complex. It sounds less complex to me when you look at the bottom line: Two people deciding to screw and nobody goes to jail if its within some sort of reasonable guidelines. Reasonable doesn't enter into the argument when it comes to court. If the age is 18, its 18, not 17 and 364 days. Thats pretty unreasonable to me if they are normally functioning people, and the other person is say, 20. But it still protects youth from predators, and thats a good thing.
2) Rape= sex/violence without consent. Since the whole thing here is AOC, that sorta eliminates rape from the scenario.
-
Determine adulthood without arbitrary means and I'll agree.
How's this?
When a person understands and communicates negative rights, that person has them... regardless of age. This is called emancipation in the current system, and it's exactly what I (for one) am advocating. There can be no fixed age at which everybody automatically becomes an adult; rather that happens as soon as one declares it with full acceptance of responsibility for his or her actions. As Badnarik puts it, rights and responsibilities are two sides of the same coin. I would merely add that everyone must individually choose when to pick it up.
-
Yes...yes. YES!
-
With 22 votes submitted, the current average (ignoring the "or older / younger" factor) is...
14 years, 4 months, 27 days, 16 hours, 4 minutes, and 35.92128 seconds!
Yaay democracy! :lol:
(Keep voting, I'll update this calculation every few days.)
With 44 votes submitted, the average age got a little bit older. Now it's:
14 years, 10 months, 2 days, 18 hours, 24 minutes, and 27.90756 seconds.