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Well?

Yes because a fetus is a person...
- 5 (15.2%)
Yes because a fetus is a human, but not a person...
- 3 (9.1%)
Yes because some invisible male father figure wants more babies...
- 0 (0%)
No because a fetus is not a person...
- 6 (18.2%)
No because fetus are persons but they have no rights (wtf?)...
- 1 (3%)
No fetuses taste good with BBQ sauce...
- 3 (9.1%)
FREEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
- 15 (45.5%)

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Re: Abortion is Murder?
« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2008, 03:02:25 PM »

It's a hard issue to grapple just because of the emotional baggage it carries, but also because there's still much to be learned about what makes someone a person.
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Re: Abortion is Murder?
« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2008, 03:07:35 PM »

I'm sorry that you're sorry that I'm sorry that.......oh, fuck it.  I'm not really sorry.  Sorry, Ken.  This is a stupid exchange. 
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Re: Abortion is Murder?
« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2008, 03:10:49 PM »

I'm still grasping how people can state a fetus, especially first trimester, is a person. I could see a decent argument for third and even second trimesters, but first... Come on, don't fuck with a nigga!

I would support a person's right to kill a one month old infant, if need be. 

I would support killing a person killing infants, if need be.

Well, let's be glad you most likely will never have to deal with such a situation.  Because I'd rather not have to kill you. 

All because someone started murdering...

Yes, I'd be sorry you felt you had to take that step.   

I'm sorry you're insane and think murdering babies isn't murder, and thus, started it all.

My invitation for you to show me that a fetus is a person by a decent ethical argument or some compelling evidence is still open. Just stand and deliver as you have my attention.
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Re: Abortion is Murder?
« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2008, 03:11:49 PM »

I'm still grasping how people can state a fetus, especially first trimester, is a person. I could see a decent argument for third and even second trimesters, but first... Come on, don't fuck with a nigga!

I would support a person's right to kill a one month old infant, if need be. 

I would support killing a person killing infants, if need be.

Well, let's be glad you most likely will never have to deal with such a situation.  Because I'd rather not have to kill you. 

All because someone started murdering...

Yes, I'd be sorry you felt you had to take that step.   

I'm sorry you're insane and think murdering babies isn't murder, and thus, started it all.

My invitation for you to show me that a fetus is a person by a decent ethical argument or some compelling evidence is still open. Just stand and deliver as you have my attention.

Go read Rillion's first post in this thread, and then edit the post you just made.
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Re: Abortion is Murder?
« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2008, 03:14:17 PM »

I'm still grasping how people can state a fetus, especially first trimester, is a person. I could see a decent argument for third and even second trimesters, but first... Come on, don't fuck with a nigga!

I would support a person's right to kill a one month old infant, if need be. 

I would support killing a person killing infants, if need be.

Well, let's be glad you most likely will never have to deal with such a situation.  Because I'd rather not have to kill you. 

All because someone started murdering...

Yes, I'd be sorry you felt you had to take that step.   

I'm sorry you're insane and think murdering babies isn't murder, and thus, started it all.

My invitation for you to show me that a fetus is a person by a decent ethical argument or some compelling evidence is still open. Just stand and deliver as you have my attention.

Go read Rillion's first post in this thread, and then edit the post you just made.

I did, my post still stands as he has yet to answer me in the other thread. I thought the quoted reply would grab his attention.
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Re: Abortion is Murder?
« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2008, 03:15:08 PM »

I'm still grasping how people can state a fetus, especially first trimester, is a person. I could see a decent argument for third and even second trimesters, but first... Come on, don't fuck with a nigga!

I would support a person's right to kill a one month old infant, if need be. 

I would support killing a person killing infants, if need be.

Well, let's be glad you most likely will never have to deal with such a situation.  Because I'd rather not have to kill you. 

All because someone started murdering...

Yes, I'd be sorry you felt you had to take that step.   

I'm sorry you're insane and think murdering babies isn't murder, and thus, started it all.

My invitation for you to show me that a fetus is a person by a decent ethical argument or some compelling evidence is still open. Just stand and deliver as you have my attention.

Go read Rillion's first post in this thread, and then edit the post you just made.

I did, my post still stands as he has yet to answer me in the other thread. I thought the quoted reply would grab his attention.

Ah.

Well, I'm going to step out while the shitstorm that's about to happen commences. Later.
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Re: Abortion is Murder?
« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2008, 03:18:56 PM »

Yes, Robot has been flailing his arms screeching DANGER DANGER for about the entire existence of this thread.
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Re: Abortion is Murder?
« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2008, 03:20:03 PM »

You clearly haven't been reading the good doctor and I's discussion post-post (wtf?)?
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Re: Abortion is Murder?
« Reply #23 on: October 27, 2008, 03:22:29 PM »

?  I responded to the accusation that I would kill someone for committing an abortion.  The assertion was wholly inaccurate, as I demonstrated.

Ken, read a few posts up.
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Re: Abortion is Murder?
« Reply #24 on: October 27, 2008, 03:23:17 PM »

?  I responded to the accusation that I would kill someone for committing an abortion.  The assertion was wholly inaccurate, as I demonstrated.

Do you have proof that aborting a fetus is murder? You can choose to constrain it to the second and third trimesters or add other provisions.
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Re: Abortion is Murder?
« Reply #25 on: October 27, 2008, 03:25:26 PM »

?  I responded to the accusation that I would kill someone for committing an abortion.  The assertion was wholly inaccurate, as I demonstrated.

Do you have proof that aborting a fetus is murder? You can choose to constrain it to the second and third trimesters or add other provisions.

Why would I need proof?  I never suggested hurting anyone murdering fetuses?

Because you're asserting a positive claim that it is murder much like a religious nut asserts his particular faith is the only true faith without any proof.
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Re: Abortion is Murder?
« Reply #26 on: October 27, 2008, 03:28:32 PM »

?  I responded to the accusation that I would kill someone for committing an abortion.  The assertion was wholly inaccurate, as I demonstrated.

Do you have proof that aborting a fetus is murder? You can choose to constrain it to the second and third trimesters or add other provisions.

Why would I need proof?  I never suggested hurting anyone murdering fetuses?

Because you're asserting a positive claim that it is murder much like a religious nut asserts his particular faith is the only true faith without any proof.

It's clear to me that it's murder, because it's clear to me the fetus is human.

My eye ball is human, but that doesn't mean I'm murdering it by its removal. Humanness != Personness.
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Re: Abortion is Murder?
« Reply #27 on: October 27, 2008, 03:31:47 PM »

Link to the thread or it didn't happen. Plus such claims have been discussed numerous times by bio-ethicists and they're still split about it. So, how you can claim some magical insight greater than anyone else on this issue without proof is pretty fucking arrogant on your part.

Especially when you consider the facts regarding the question of what allows for thought in all animals and possible future AI-synthetics.
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Re: Abortion is Murder?
« Reply #28 on: October 27, 2008, 03:38:51 PM »

Link to the thread or it didn't happen.

I'm not your errand boy...precisely the reason I'm not going to rehash that old thread.

Then I'll consider this your admission that you have no proof to provide. Thanks for the lack of an intelligent conversation. *clicks iggy*
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Re: Abortion is Murder?
« Reply #29 on: October 27, 2008, 04:00:56 PM »

If you think it's okay to murder babies in the womb because they aren't completely intelligent, then I guess it's okay to murder retards too.
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