A question for my Zionist friends

1

3 (50%)

2

1 (16.7%)

10+

0 (0%)

100+

0 (0%)

No limit

2 (33.3%)

Total Members Voted: 6

[The Muslim Agorist]

No amount of Palestinian children will protect a Hamas combatant, or a Palestinian farmer. If they can get one Jewish child, or anIDF soldier, that may stop the IDF snipers from firing.

You're so wrong.

Apparently the people who chose "No Limit" disagree with you. By the way. What's your answer?

After operation cast lead in 2008, IDF declared the north tip of the Gaza strip, from which terrorists would routinely launch rockets at Israeli towns, a NO-GO ZONE. You've been to the army, you know what a no-go zone is. What do you do when repeated warnings not to enter the no-go zone go unheeded?

OH! See. I didn't realize that the IDF declared that it was ok to shoot farmers. I guess that means they don't shoot farmers.

Also interesting to note that the "peace volunteers" with the megaphone, instead of shouting to the farmers to save their own lives and leave the declared no-go zone, are using the farmers as live targets for their video. "Please don't shoot, we are unarmed" - or rather "we've deliberately brought farmers into the no-go zone to try and provoke you, please shoot so we get a good propaganda video". If I were there and had to take a shot I'd shoot the "peace volunteer" first.

I'm pretty sure the farmers got the message to run for their lives when the guns went off. I doubt they needed instruction from the megaphone.

If video of what you actually do is such affective propaganda against you the problem is what you do, not what is caught on video.

[Bill Brasky]

Buttons are for pussies.

[Rillion]

Buttons are for pussies.

Real men go for snaps or zippers. 

[Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith)]

I pressed no limit because I thought this poll was stupid and unfair.  No limit of Hamas members would be my actual opinion, not no limit of regular Joe Palestinians.

So yeah, that vote didn't really count because its not in the same context as the question asked.  My bad.

[blackie]

After operation cast lead in 2008, IDF declared the north tip of the Gaza strip, from which terrorists would routinely launch rockets at Israeli towns, a NO-GO ZONE. You've been to the army, you know what a no-go zone is. What do you do when repeated warnings not to enter the no-go zone go unheeded?

If you have authority over that land, you arrest those people and give them a trial. You don't knowingly shoot at unarmed civilians unless you are a terrorist. That video makes it clear that the IDF targets civilians going about their daily lives.

If Hamas declares Sderot a no-go zone, does that make it ok for them to target civilians there?

Also interesting to note that the "peace volunteers" with the megaphone, instead of shouting to the farmers to save their own lives and leave the declared no-go zone, are using the farmers as live targets for their video. "Please don't shoot, we are unarmed" - or rather "we've deliberately brought farmers into the no-go zone to try and provoke you, please shoot so we get a good propaganda video". If I were there and had to take a shot I'd shoot the "peace volunteer" first.

LOL...if I was given an order to shoot at unarmed civilians....I'd quit.

[avshae]

After operation cast lead in 2008, IDF declared the north tip of the Gaza strip, from which terrorists would routinely launch rockets at Israeli towns, a NO-GO ZONE. You've been to the army, you know what a no-go zone is. What do you do when repeated warnings not to enter the no-go zone go unheeded?

If you have authority over that land [..]

But you don't. It's in the Gaza strip.

You don't knowingly shoot at unarmed civilians unless you are a terrorist.

It takes less than 30 seconds for an "innocent farmer" to whip a mortar out of his truck and fire a shell at Israeli civilians across the nearby border, after which he immediately returns to being an "innocent farmer". That's why IDF declared the buffer zone - up to hundreds of projectiles were  launched at Israel daily from those areas by "farmers". I'm sure that there was official warning given, I'm sure shots were fired in the air first, and it's reasonable to assume that on the first few days the soldiers went no further than that.

Perhaps you should ask why the farmers kept coming back to a declared buffer zone along the Israeli border in the midst and peak of a hostile confrontation (Cast Lead). And don't tell me "to farm their lands" - everybody knows that when there is a war you stay out of the battlefield. And why, as the video clearly shows, did they not run for cover when first shots were fired. And why a production team of "peace volunteers" just happened to be there with a camera and a megaphone to direct the action.

If Hamas declares Sderot a no-go zone, does that make it ok for them to target civilians there?

. To declare a no-go zone there has to be a military reason. It has to be a battlefield at the front line, it has to be a place where hostilities are carried out against you. What hostile threat does Sderot pose to Hamas forces or Gaza population? There are no bases there and no artillery positioned there. Hamas can't (by lawful standards) declare Sderot a no-go zone any more than IDF can declare Central Gaza a no-go zone.

(It also generally makes no sense to declare a no-go zone where people live, since you want civilians to stay away from the battlefield and in their houses. This however is a standard that was hard to implement in Cast Lead since Hamas would mix-n-match with civilians in densely populated areas.)

[penn]

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/download/synopsis.pdf

[Cognitive Dissident]

The term "extermination" comes to mind.  Where have I heard that before involving Jews...hmm....

[avshae]

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/download/synopsis.pdf

"If Americans knew" is a notable anti-Israel organization. This document is not a "synopsis" but a propaganda leaflet densely packed with biased misinformaion and distortion.

[penn]

anti-isreal sounds so harsh...how about anti-extermination. it is the civilians paying the price on both sides that is wrong. it needs to stop.

[Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith)]

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/download/synopsis.pdf

"If Americans knew" is a notable anti-Israel organization. This document is not a "synopsis" but a propaganda leaflet densely packed with biased misinformaion and distortion.

That is clearly some of the worst propaganda I've ever seen.  All it needs is a picture of a Jew with horns and a tail to be complete.

[avshae]

it needs to stop.

Agreed. Do you have any pragmatic suggestions?