A question for my Zionist friends

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No limit

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Total Members Voted: 6

[The Muslim Agorist]

In case you're interested, Israeli-Palestinian Fatalities Since 2000 - Key Trends*.

[Cognitive Dissident]

Wouldn't the Zionists think "the more the merrier?"  Yeah, I think it's twisted too.

[The Muslim Agorist]

What's wrong guys? Afraid to push the button? Why? Ashamed of the actual ramifications of the policies you support? I thought you had a right to self defense, fighting terrorism and what not? Would you be more comfortable if I change the poll to "Jews" and "Arabs"?

Tell you what. I'll go first. I'd push the Israeli button for 2 Palestinians. But keep in mind, if it was the other way around, I'd also push the Palestinian button for 2 Israelis. When it comes to loss of innocent life, the answer is simple for me.

*edit: Thank you whoever pushed "No Limit" for making my point for me.

[avshae]

In case you're interested, Israeli-Palestinian Fatalities Since 2000 - Key Trends*.

There are several reasons why there are more Palestinian casualties than Israeli ones, despite the fact that Palestinian terrorists directly target Israeli civilians as a matter of routine, while the IDF never directly targets civilians.

1) Israel protects its civilians. In Israel like in most sane countries, military resources/bases/forces are kept away from civilian concentrations. Also, the security wall built between Israel and the territories prevented many suicide bombing attacks which saved many lives. Furthermore in the last conflict with Gaza simple means such as bomb shelters and warning sirens saved many lives.

2) Hamas have absolutely zero regard for human life.
   a) Hamas make cynical use of Gazan population as human shields, as a fighting strategy.
   b) Hamas, to this day, have done absolutely zero to protect the Gazan population in any aspect. They're big on accusing Israel for everything, but when it comes to actually doing something to protect the population their achievement list is ZERO. It's as if they want lots of innocents to die so they can make Israel look bad in the media.
 
3) Israeli security forces are constantly getting better at preventing terrorist attacks on Israeli civilians. In the early 2000s all it took was one crazy "martyr" wearing an explosive belt to blow up a bus and kill dozens of Israelis. But now they can't do it. The security wall keeps them out. Israeli counter-terrorism and intelligence thwart attacks before they happen.

4) The document you referenced mentions that there is much internal violence in Gaza, and adds these deaths to the statistics. "Internal violence" basically means Hamas thugs offing Gazan civilians on a regular basis, attempting to strengthen their rule by means of terror and intimidation. Surely De Eveel Isra-eelees aren't to blame for those too, are they?

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PS When I see a document subtitled "occupied Palestinian territory" I get the sense that it is not exactly a sincere and factual report, so I wouldn't take everything written there at face value.

[avshae]

Let me ask you a different question:
If you are a Hamas combatant and you need to cross an open area subject to Israeli sniper fire, how many Palestinian children is the minimum you need to strap to your person, in order to ensure the snipers won't fire at you?

Or another one:
Lets say you are a Hamas combatant and you are setting up an outpost in an urban area, from which you intend to fire at incoming IDF forces. How many families should you force to stay in the building for protection from retaliatory attack?

[The Muslim Agorist]

PS When I see a document subtitled "occupied Palestinian territory" I get the sense that it is not exactly a sincere and factual report, so I wouldn't take everything written there at face value.

Right... so the UN is out.

Not that I'm a fan of the UN, I'm just saying.

[The Muslim Agorist]

Let me ask you a different question:
If you are a Hamas combatant and you need to cross an open area subject to Israeli sniper fire, how many Palestinian children is the minimum you need to strap to your person, in order to ensure the snipers won't fire at you?

Or another one:
Lets say you are a Hamas combatant and you are setting up an outpost in an urban area, from which you intend to fire at incoming IDF forces. How many families should you force to stay in the building for protection from retaliatory attack?

You're a weak act

[Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith)]

Let me ask you a different question:
If you are a Hamas combatant and you need to cross an open area subject to Israeli sniper fire, how many Palestinian children is the minimum you need to strap to your person, in order to ensure the snipers won't fire at you?

Or another one:
Lets say you are a Hamas combatant and you are setting up an outpost in an urban area, from which you intend to fire at incoming IDF forces. How many families should you force to stay in the building for protection from retaliatory attack?

You're a weak act

It's a fair question in that it actually questions the sick strategy that Hamas in fact practices.

[blackie]

Let me ask you a different question:
If you are a Hamas combatant and you need to cross an open area subject to Israeli sniper fire, how many Palestinian children is the minimum you need to strap to your person, in order to ensure the snipers won't fire at you?

No amount of Palestinian children will protect a Hamas combatant, or a Palestinian farmer. If they can get one Jewish child, or anIDF soldier, that may stop the IDF snipers from firing.

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[Cognitive Dissident]

For clarification, I chose no option because:

• I'm not a Zionist
• As I stated, I think your average Zionists would savor the opportunity to kill as many Palestinians as possible.

[TimeLady Victorious]

no limit because "palestinian" isn't an ethnicity

[The Muslim Agorist]

no limit because "palestinian" isn't an ethnicity

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

So if I said on button kills a random black person and one button kills a random car salesman you'd say no limit on killing car salesmen because it's not an ethnicity?

Maybe we should change the question...

If you had two buttons and had to push one, one that killed a random innocent German you didn't know, and one that killed some number of random innocent Jews you didn't know, how many Jews would it need to be before you pushed the first button?

That's exactly where the "no limit" answer leads you.

[TimeLady Victorious]

If given that sort of choice I'd kill the Jews because I consider German culture superior to Jewish.

[Terror Australis]

I would put all the politicians in a gas chamber and let the people sort things out.

[avshae]

No amount of Palestinian children will protect a Hamas combatant, or a Palestinian farmer. If they can get one Jewish child, or anIDF soldier, that may stop the IDF snipers from firing.

You're so wrong.

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After operation cast lead in 2008, IDF declared the north tip of the Gaza strip, from which terrorists would routinely launch rockets at Israeli towns, a NO-GO ZONE. You've been to the army, you know what a no-go zone is. What do you do when repeated warnings not to enter the no-go zone go unheeded?

Also interesting to note that the "peace volunteers" with the megaphone, instead of shouting to the farmers to save their own lives and leave the declared no-go zone, are using the farmers as live targets for their video. "Please don't shoot, we are unarmed" - or rather "we've deliberately brought farmers into the no-go zone to try and provoke you, please shoot so we get a good propaganda video". If I were there and had to take a shot I'd shoot the "peace volunteer" first.