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Title: Periodically dropping off the face of the Earth syndrome.
Post by: John Shaw on January 13, 2012, 04:46:08 AM
Ever do that? How do you reconnect?

Just pretend nothing happened? Let everyone know and apologize?

Title: Re: Periodically dropping off the face of the Earth syndrome.
Post by: sillyperson on January 13, 2012, 06:08:32 AM
Fuck 'em.
Title: Re: Periodically dropping off the face of the Earth syndrome.
Post by: Fred on January 13, 2012, 09:26:43 AM
I dunno...just don't seem to have been myself lately..

I hesitate to articulate for fear that I may deviate from the true course of rectitude.
Title: Re: Periodically dropping off the face of the Earth syndrome.
Post by: dalebert on January 13, 2012, 10:06:13 AM
I don't do that, so I have no advice.
Title: Re: Periodically dropping off the face of the Earth syndrome.
Post by: Turd Ferguson on January 13, 2012, 11:22:32 AM
I do that sometimes. Dont sweat it.

People that know you should understand that this happens sometimes.

People that dont know you will soon figure this out.

No need to apologize.



Just stretch your arms over your head, give a good hearty yawn and say, "So, whats for breakfast?"
Title: Re: Periodically dropping off the face of the Earth syndrome.
Post by: anarchir on January 13, 2012, 01:54:15 PM
I'm kinda like that sometimes. My friends know I am not a very needy friend. We can hang out frequently, but I'd rather just see them every month or so. I've tried having friends who I've hung out with every single day all day long, and eventually I just shut myself away and go off the radar. I get burned out from that shit. Thats why internet people are nice, I can come and go as I please without any issues.
Title: Re: Periodically dropping off the face of the Earth syndrome.
Post by: Robin on January 13, 2012, 02:04:20 PM
I do this on purpose, sometimes I need to be invisible. If people actually care and throw a fit about it, they don't give a shit about my mental health.
Title: Re: Periodically dropping off the face of the Earth syndrome.
Post by: Cognitive Dissident on January 13, 2012, 04:42:12 PM
Just act like it's nobody's fucking business.
Title: Re: Periodically dropping off the face of the Earth syndrome.
Post by: Laetitia on January 13, 2012, 11:49:17 PM
It's really not anybody's business, especially if you just needed some extra time for your own thoughts.

If you stormed off in a huff and slammed doors in the faces of a few pals, it doesn't hurt to let them know that you were in need of a break. Since they're your friends, they probably already know that, but it's still nice to hear it was nothing personal.
Title: Re: Periodically dropping off the face of the Earth syndrome.
Post by: John Shaw on January 14, 2012, 01:27:16 AM
I appreciate the feedback buys.

Just been recuperating from the eye thing and trying my damnedest not to get stressed out about stuff in general.

It's very hard to try to relax. I end up spending more time being stressed about relaxing than relaxing.

Doesn't help that the paleo thing, while working, (I'm now officially under 400lbs) is giving me every single one of the negative side effects. Every. Single. One. (Okay, minus two. I haven't had much in the way of bad breath and I've only had a couple cravings for stuff.)

Lethargy, fucked up sleep (Worse than my usual fucked up sleep.) where I go to bed at 10pm, wake up at 2am, then go back to sleep at 7am and sleep until 2pm. Then plus or minus a few hours in another direction every night.

MASSIVE irritability to the point where my wife is probably up for sainthood.

All this while trying to be calm all the time so my eyeball doesn't explode again.

And then I turn around and talk about my problems with the diet and people respond to me with "YOUR DOING IT WRONG DO THIS" which I do, and the problem stays the same or gets worse, and I complain and someone else sez "NO YOUR DOING IT WRONG YOU SHOULD ACTUALLY BE DOING IT LIKE THIS..." and repeat.

Frustrating. 

Title: Re: Periodically dropping off the face of the Earth syndrome.
Post by: dalebert on January 14, 2012, 10:22:18 AM
Lethargy, fucked up sleep (Worse than my usual fucked up sleep.) where I go to bed at 10pm, wake up at 2am, then go back to sleep at 7am and sleep until 2pm. Then plus or minus a few hours in another direction every night.

MASSIVE irritability to the point where my wife is probably up for sainthood.

All this while trying to be calm all the time so my eyeball doesn't explode again.

And then I turn around and talk about my problems with the diet and people respond to me with "YOUR DOING IT WRONG DO THIS" which I do, and the problem stays the same or gets worse, and I complain and someone else sez "NO YOUR DOING IT WRONG YOU SHOULD ACTUALLY BE DOING IT LIKE THIS..." and repeat.

I can picture that. I'm one of the people who experienced nothing short of miraculous results but I ended up narrowing it down primarily to gluten being the core issue in my case. A lot of the other non-paleo foods appear to cause me no particular problem. Meanwhile, some foods that are arguably paleo DO cause me problems, like pepperoni if I eat too much of it. Actually, MSG seems to fuck me up and I would be that's not paleo. I think the pepperoni was loaded with it.

But what I mean is I can see someone who's benefiting greatly from it presuming their experience will be universal. I think we have to accept that we all react differently to different foods and you might need to experiment a little with your case. I've very reluctantly accepted that wheat doesn't cause massive problems for everyone, just a big chunk of people. I've seen too many people that eat it and seem fine though it's bizarre to me. It's like watching someone casually eat a light bulb.

What works best for me (and not necessarily for you) is avoiding wheat/gluten almost religiously, eating beans and rice just occasionally and in modest portions, eating fruit in modest portions regularly (like an apple a day), and cheese and dairy cause me no noticeable problems. In fact, I eat CarbSmart ice cream, usually with crushed almonds to liven it up, almost every day and I eat cheese with an apple as a common snack. And I try to keep my daily carbs around 100g to 150g. Considering the avg person gets 300g to 500g because we've been sold on the notion of bread, potatoes, rice, etc. as our primary energy sources, that's pretty moderate.
Title: Re: Periodically dropping off the face of the Earth syndrome.
Post by: Fred on January 14, 2012, 01:08:50 PM
John, on that diet, you gotta fucking blow it once a week and eat whatever the fuck you want.  It won't have a negative effect!

ONCE a FUCKING WEEK - ALL DAY then get back on it!
Title: Re: Periodically dropping off the face of the Earth syndrome.
Post by: John Shaw on January 14, 2012, 01:27:00 PM
I've been pretty hard core about not breaking the paleo rules. We've been on it since the middle of October and the closest I've come to cheating is buying off the shelf beef jerky a couple times (Twice) that had sugar in it, (Mind you the carbs per serving were still less than 1) and the other day when I heard that Hostess was filing for bankruptcy I broke down and bought one twin pack of Twinkies, strictly for nostalgia. (I had no particular sweet tooth urge or anything, it was a pretty rational, or at least conscious choice) I called Mel and mentioned it and hemmed and hawed about it for about 10 minutes before I did it.

 I paid a serious fucking price for the Twinkies. About ten minutes after eating them I was hit with stomach cramps and bloating and heartburn/acid flying up my throat and knotted up intestines and swollen legs for a couple days. I won't be repeating that experiment.

So anyway the diet is "Working" from the perspective of weight loss, as I keep losing 1-2 lbs a week, but I have to figure out how to stop the mood swings and lethargy and flu like symptoms and crabbyness or I'm prolly gonna end up a completely justifiable victim of domestic violence.

<<<Really thinking about getting back into caffeine hard core somehow and wishes he could choke down coffee.
Title: Re: Periodically dropping off the face of the Earth syndrome.
Post by: Fred on January 14, 2012, 01:31:46 PM
gotta do it your way - maybe what works for others is the shitstorm for you man... but, fucking twinkies - you really wanted twinkies...when I'm starving for carbs or shit i don't want fuckin twinkies.
Title: Re: Periodically dropping off the face of the Earth syndrome.
Post by: Turd Ferguson on January 14, 2012, 01:39:03 PM
I have to figure out how to stop the mood swings and lethargy and flu like symptoms and crabbyness or I'm prolly gonna end up a completely justifiable victim of domestic violence.


Exercise. Any kind that you can do. Doesn't have to be running or lifting weights and all that shit. Just moving around, getting some shit done. I'm telling ya man, it works. Gotta get that heart rate up. Just a half hour a day makes a huge diff.

The endorphins released are sorta like natural morphine in the way they lessen symptoms of depression, such as the crabbyness you're talking about. The lethargy and flu like symptoms are lessended by the exercise itself.

Give it a shot for a week, then come back and tell me im wrong.
Title: Re: Periodically dropping off the face of the Earth syndrome.
Post by: dalebert on January 14, 2012, 01:45:08 PM
John, on that diet, you gotta fucking blow it once a week and eat whatever the fuck you want.  It won't have a negative effect!

I know someone who does that and it's working out great for him. He's lost quite a bit and seems to feel great.

I'm hesitant to give advice because I think as you've pointed out, that hasn't been helpful for you and everyone's different. But I will say this. What you're doing doesn't sound like paleo. It sounds keto/Atkins. Paleo is not particularly carb-limiting though it tends to be way less than average (like I'm in the 100-150 range) but keto is under 20 which is hardcore. Bear in mind I was never obese but just a little chubby, but for me there was little difference in terms of the health benefits including weight management between staying under 20 and under 150. You have to see what works for you.

It MIGHT not be that the twinky has carbs but that it has gluten or something else in the twinky that's fucking you up. I still have a candy bar now and then as long as it doesn't have gluten. It's only about 20g of sugar. Not that hard to do and still be well within my limits and well under what the average person gets who eats wheat, rice, and potatoes all the time. Those things turn into sugar immediately anyway so there's not a big difference between eating a candy bar and eating a couple slices of whole wheat bread. They have pretty close to the same glycemic index.

For me the candy bar does nothing noticeable while the bread will fuck me up. I'll get a headache, allergy symptoms will amplify, and I'll get lethargic and inattentive and desperately want to nap for about 3 hours.
Title: Re: Periodically dropping off the face of the Earth syndrome.
Post by: dalebert on January 14, 2012, 01:49:28 PM
I agree with the cheat once a week advice, but I would suggest isolating gluten at some point to see if it's particularly problematic for you as it is for a lot of people. If so, then just don't cheat with that. Pick other carby foods to cheat with once a week.
Title: Re: Periodically dropping off the face of the Earth syndrome.
Post by: Fred on January 14, 2012, 01:54:21 PM
I love the crepes my wife makes - manicotti...yum yum..
Title: Re: Periodically dropping off the face of the Earth syndrome.
Post by: John Shaw on January 14, 2012, 02:49:41 PM
But I will say this. What you're doing doesn't sound like paleo. It sounds keto/Atkins. Paleo is not particularly carb-limiting though it tends to be way less than average (like I'm in the 100-150 range) but keto is under 20 which is hardcore.

5665% of food energy from animal foods
3645% from plant foods.
High in protein (1935% energy)
Relatively low in carbohydrates (2240% energy)
Fat intake (2858% energy)
No legumes, no grains of any kind, barely any dairy. (We use ghee and heavy cream but stick to almond milk mostly. We bought some really good cheese the other day, 20 month cheddar.)

This is what I do or stick close to. It's paleo by definition. I have on a few occasions had days where I forget to eat enough fruit or veggies and I definitely feel shitty(er) as a result. Comes from being lazy and grabbing a meat stick or something to hold me over rather than putting together a meal. Next thing I know it's dinner time (Which is always balanced because I'm cooking for two and I have an obsession with making sure Mel enjoys the food I cook for her.)

Also, I make home made paleo chocolate that we keep around all the time if I get a sweet tooth.

1.5 cup Coconut oil.
1 pound 100% cocoa solids (Whole foods)
1 tbsp coconut flour
1/4 cup heavy cream
18 packets of Stevia extract
(EDIT) - Vanilla extract

Melt all that shit up on low heat and pour it into a cookie sheet and throw it into the freezer. In a couple hours it'll pop right out of the sheet. Break that shit up and eat it.

It gets melty at around 75 degrees because it uses coconut oil rather than cocoa so it's a lil' messier than regular chocolate, but we keep it in the fridge/freezer and it's yummy as fuck. You can heat up some almond milk and make hot chocolate which works great, and I've busted some up and used 50/50 almond/flax meal and made chocolate chip cookies that were pretty badass.

I've got a source for raw almonds at $3.69 a pound so almond flour gets some serious love. I also bought a hand mill to grind that shit up yo.

Almond flour - 11 or 12 bux a pound

vs.

Raw Almonds from Randazzo's - 3.69 a pound + Cranking a mill while watching a dvd = WIN

BTW- Anyone wants cheap almonds lemme know and I can hook you up. That price is un fucking believable and I can get that shit by the palette if need be.
Title: Re: Periodically dropping off the face of the Earth syndrome.
Post by: Fred on January 14, 2012, 02:52:29 PM
thanks for the recipie - imma try it
Title: Re: Periodically dropping off the face of the Earth syndrome.
Post by: John Shaw on January 14, 2012, 03:00:18 PM
thanks for the recipie - imma try it

It tastes exactly like dark chocolate. It's a little less dense for its volume, because of the lighter oil base, but otherwise it's awesome.

Special note, we tried making it with Hershey's cocoa powder, and it was as pasty and bitter as fuck. You gotta get the blocks of 100% cocoa from whole foods.

Looking for block of cocoa... - Callebaut is the brand. It's a big hunk that is broken at the edges and wrapped in plastic wrap.

Callebaut unsweetened 100% cocoa solids.

Shit is fine. About ten bux a pound.
Title: Re: Periodically dropping off the face of the Earth syndrome.
Post by: alaric89 on January 14, 2012, 03:01:38 PM
Maybe you have a mild allergy to one of the paleo things. I found I had to ease up on the different nuts. I ate more eggs and salad instead and all the problems went away. Goddamn boring diet though. Another thing I do is forget about it in parties and get togethers. Quit the diet during the Christmas season and didn't gain a once.
Title: Re: Periodically dropping off the face of the Earth syndrome.
Post by: John Shaw on January 14, 2012, 03:05:10 PM
Goddamn boring diet though.

You haven't tried the rice diet, have you?

In comparison paleo is fookin heaven.

Also get a deep fryer. Helps a lot. I be frying radishes and yams and okra and turnips and daikons and peppers and once even spinach (Was a lil too oily) and all sorts of shit. Beef tallow + deep fryer = awesome. But get a good one with a filter and a drain awn it. I have a deep hatred for oil and grease getting on my skin and have to be really careful about cleaning shit up.