my dumbass ignorant stupid fucking retarded post of idiocy

[Jetfire]

I just gotta say I hate that Mark is calling most people stupid. People are brought up by the government to be ignorant and stubborn. I could be wrong but thats how my step dad raised me. I started off democratic at the age of 12 and became a republican by myself at the age of 14 and because of FTL became a libertarian at the age of 16. (sorta) Now I'm completely libertarian. Anyways with my studies in psychology and human nature. We strive to be accepted by our peers. The fact is only a small percentage of libertarians are actually out there. We are shaped by our parents/grandparent and friends who are shaped by there grandparents/parents and the one who effected all of us is the government and government run schools. (I honestly believe most religion plays in on ignorance as well for a huge part.) Stupid is a strong negative term and i like to think of people a little more then that. They are just programed psychologically to be that way. and of course who wants to admit to being wrong? also who wants to work that hard? most americans are lazy, stubborn, and ignorant. but thats probably just my assumption so forgive my ignorance.

[Ecolitan]

Nothing about my raising was pro-liberty other than the accidental pro-liberty parts of economic conservatism.  Other than that it was all government worship.  So how come I'm a rabid freedom guy?

Cuz it's in my nature, regardless of environment, it's a distinctive characteristic of me.  Does that make me better?  Hell yes it does!

[Jetfire]

Nothing about my raising was pro-liberty other than the accidental pro-liberty parts of economic conservatism.  Other than that it was all government worship.  So how come I'm a rabid freedom guy?

Cuz it's in my nature, regardless of environment, it's a distinctive characteristic of me.  Does that make me better?  Hell yes it does!

yea but everyones different. isn't it survival of the fittest? thats how were wired. In todays society of USA does it seem like america is the fittest? I had the opportunity to see multiple sides of the coins and gain an open mindedness to my surroundings and what other people go through and how they think. Maybe you didnt see that and maybe you are more intellignet then your average american. But if thats what average is does that mean thats what stupid is?

[Ecolitan]

Everything is relative.  Stupid = measurably less intelligent than me.

[Jetfire]

Everything is relative.  Stupid = measurably less intelligent than me.

Thats true it was my own ignorance to not think about that. Anyways it was just a rant on my own opinion. I like to think of your average american to have an average intelligance. and to me average isn't stupid. I mean I was there at one point. I just personally thought of it as ignorance and a little stubbornness most people are just more stubborn even if something else sounds better.

[Ecolitan]

You beat me to liberty by about 6 years.  I always knew it instinctively, but I didn't really figure it out til I went on a reading spree.

[Jetfire]

You beat me to liberty by about 6 years.  I always knew it instinctively, but I didn't really figure it out til I went on a reading spree.

so you had a means to an end? how many people had that opportunity? btw whenever i post anything in the rubber troll room shit or w/e i'm intoxicated as hell. Half o bottle of whiskey went down like cherry pie =)

[CaL DaVe]

I was having a similar conversation with a friend of mine and I tried to make the point that if the message of liberty is not delivered consistently, the intelligent people who are predisposed to it will never convert. This is why FTL is so valuable, it is entertaining and it has a extremely consistant message.

I don't think you can call people stupid for not understanding it right away. Its like calling a student stupid on the first day of class.

[hellbilly]

If you're not asking questions, you're doomed to be stupid.

The average American doesn't question much.

[Jetfire]

If you're not asking questions, you're doomed to be stupid.

The average American doesn't question much.

But dont you think they wouldnt question much because of being ignorant, stubborn, and having the natural instinct of survival of the fittest?

[hellbilly]

If you're not asking questions, you're doomed to be stupid.

The average American doesn't question much.

But dont you think they wouldnt question much because of being ignorant, stubborn, and having the natural instinct of survival of the fittest?

You mean not having the survival instinct?

I don't think it's any of that really. Instead I think it's simple laziness. Being docile and passive when it comes to questioning authority ( but being militant when it comes time to demonstrate their own ).

Religion, public schools, commercialism. All of that creates an atmosphere of being instructed on how to function, "for your own good".

Why read about what's really going on, or about history, or anything intelligent when the TV Guide holds all the important information?

[CaL DaVe]

If you're not asking questions, you're doomed to be stupid.

The average American doesn't question much.

I'm sure we can agree that it is a much easier in life to go with the flow. Especially when it is clear that questioning authority can result in you getting your head cracked in.

In this system, American's have very little power over what happends to them politically. To think that a person who only gets one vote in a couple of elections a year, should feel empowered to make any sort of political changes is ludicrous. Why bother getting involved, or questioning anything when your voice does not amount to a speck on the radar.  I believe that most people are intelligent, but are just so uninspired that they don't care about politics or philosophy.

In addition, I've seen myself become more and more isolated (by choice) because of what I believe. I think if you are going to go the anti-gov route you must be wiling to either, keep your mouth shut when it comes up in social situations (almost impossible), or be prepared to be singled out as a wacko. Unfortunately society has caused most people to fear confrontation so they nod in agreement to the accepted norms. After all, they killed Socrates for asking too many damn questions.

[Jetfire]

In addition, I've seen myself become more and more isolated (by choice) because of what I believe.

This hits close to home... I hate it. People dont want to listen to me. One of the biggest reasons I want to move to NH even if the FSP didnt work

[CaL DaVe]

In addition, I've seen myself become more and more isolated (by choice) because of what I believe.

This hits close to home... I hate it. People dont want to listen to me. One of the biggest reasons I want to move to NH even if the FSP didnt work

If you can make it to the Monterey Bay area before you take off, we should hang out.

[Jetfire]

Last time I went to monetary was on a school trip to pebble beach. I just might have to stop by before I leave. Wont be for another year or so till i leave though.