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General / Re: Wayne Allyn Root's Tax Plan

« on: June 19, 2008, 01:21:09 AM »

Sounds interesting but I have a question.  Wouldn't eliminating the income tax require a constitutional amendment?  I suppose it is possible to force the issue if the president instructs no prosecutions for tax related issues, but I really don't understand how anyone can just wave a magic wand and make the income tax disappear.

This has always been one of the faults I have seen with the "eliminate the IRS" idea, even though I fully support IRS elimination.

That's true. No tax reform will work without repealing the 16th amendment. I think it would be a nifty trick if the president just pardoned anyone who was convicted of refusing to pay federal income tax.

No, you just repeal Title 26 of the United States Code. Boom, no more IRS, no more income tax. The sixteenth amendment only allows them to pass income tax laws and collect such taxes; it doesn’t require that they do so.

Of course, if you want to make sure they can never again pass a new income tax law, the amendment would have to go.

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General / Re: Drama in the Free State

« on: June 06, 2008, 10:33:34 PM »

The actual freestater activism is elsewhere:—

http://forum.freestateproject.org/
http://forum.nhfree.com/
https://www.nhteaparty.org/
http://www.nhliberty.org/forum/
http://forum.freekeene.com/

That is activism?
Anyway, I pretty much hate all activists. Those fucking douchebags always overstate their case. Always.

psh! Activism has been molested and left for dead in the rain. Real Activism is opting out of the system completely. Not fooling around in their carefully planned maze.

Activism means getting things changed. If you think you can accomplish that by opting out of the system or using their system, that’s fine by me.

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General / Re: Drama in the Free State

« on: June 06, 2008, 05:13:31 PM »

I don't want to offend anyone here... but threads like these  are why we're not getting anywhere.

Threads like these are just for people like Blackie to jerk off. The actual freestater activism is elsewhere:—

http://forum.freestateproject.org/
http://forum.nhfree.com/
https://www.nhteaparty.org/
http://www.nhliberty.org/forum/
http://forum.freekeene.com/
&c.

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General / Re: Drama in the Free State

« on: June 06, 2008, 04:49:12 AM »

This is why I don’t feel the need to keep pointing out stuff like that. People aren’t going to come around to your way of thinking if you keep yelling at them about how evil you think they are.

There is always the right step to take. Maybe it is time for these cops to take that next one.

This is why I and a lot of other people think it’s such a bad idea to attack and alienate the police who seem to be amenable to our movement here. They’ve taken the first steps in the right direction, and if we’re actually able to keep them on our side, friendly, and engaging in dialog with us, they’ll probably eventually take the next step, and the next, and so on. But if we make an enemy out of them (which is far easier than keeping them friends or at least friendly), we’ve lost any chance to get them over to our side, period.

And if they are only involved with freestaters to gather intel, so what? As long as we check ourselves around them and don’t give them anything useful, and don’t commit crimes in front of them, let them watch. Hell, if one of us actually have reasonable suspicion someone is a mole, let’s feed them misinformation. The worst thing to do with a suspected mole is to call them out before we have anything conclusive, which only makes them put up their guard, making it that much harder to ever get something conclusive on them.

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General / Re: Drama in the Free State

« on: June 05, 2008, 11:05:56 PM »

I think it's sad that liberty loving people are so naive as to let law enforcement officers like that into their group when they are obviously there to collect information on them.

I've conversed with Brad Jarvis through a lot of PMs, and I still don't know about the guy. He talks a very good game, almost to where he seems like he's on your side if you're a pothead, shroomhead, cokehead, whatever. I'm beginning to believe that he's a manipulator, and a con artist. Do NOT trust Brad Jarvis, people. If he's really serious about his LEAP activism, then he'll do good whether or not people associate with him.

That's one of the things I hate about this world. Too many wolves in sheep's clothing. Everywhere you look...

If he’s part of some sort of sting operation, it’s a pretty piss-poor one. Brad has told people outright that if he witnesses you committing a crime, he will arrest you, because he has to.

No. He. Does. Not.

Brad is in the interesting position that if he were to witness a crime being committed in front of him, especially drug use, it could very likely be a sting operation being directed against him. He’s made himself enough enemies being a cop and anti-prohibition. Even if such wasn’t a sting, it would be used as an excuse to fire him.

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General / Re: Drama in the Free State

« on: June 05, 2008, 08:12:43 AM »

I think it's sad that liberty loving people are so naive as to let law enforcement officers like that into their group when they are obviously there to collect information on them.

I've conversed with Brad Jarvis through a lot of PMs, and I still don't know about the guy. He talks a very good game, almost to where he seems like he's on your side if you're a pothead, shroomhead, cokehead, whatever. I'm beginning to believe that he's a manipulator, and a con artist. Do NOT trust Brad Jarvis, people. If he's really serious about his LEAP activism, then he'll do good whether or not people associate with him.

That's one of the things I hate about this world. Too many wolves in sheep's clothing. Everywhere you look...

If he’s part of some sort of sting operation, it’s a pretty piss-poor one. Brad has told people outright that if he witnesses you committing a crime, he will arrest you, because he has to.

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The Polling Pit / Re: John Shaw posting people's personal information as social ostracism.

« on: March 01, 2008, 03:05:48 PM »

So if it’s genuine, and merely out of date, my earlier point is only more applicable: Street addresses and phone numbers tend to get reused by others when people move.

Are you planning on hurting people who annoy you on web forums?

No?

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The Polling Pit / Re: John Shaw posting people's personal information as social ostracism.

« on: March 01, 2008, 01:22:09 PM »

*Sigh*

You people don't read before you post.

I made it quite clear that I did NO research to get that idiots information.

Yeah, it was probably outdated, it was from 2002-2003. It was definitely legit. Doing a search on gadget42@earthlink.net (The email account from his profile, which he had to have CHOSEN to make public.) gets four or five results. One of which links to a post made at forum.freestateproject.org. Another goes to a liberty dollar post. The rest go to some parachuting bullshit. I didn't have the wrong guy and I didn't put anybody at risk, so can the "Defenders of the Innocent" nonsense.

THE POINT WAS PUTTING YOUR EMAIL ACCOUNT ON YOUR PROFILE WHEN YOU ARE AN ADVOCATE OF VIOLENCE IS THE ACT OF A MORON. (Also not acting like a total cunt.)

At least exercise the minimum basic effort, for crying out loud.

So if it’s genuine, and merely out of date, my earlier point is only more applicable: Street addresses and phone numbers tend to get reused by others when people move.

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The Polling Pit / Re: John Shaw posting people's personal information as social ostracism.

« on: March 01, 2008, 10:44:08 AM »

Who cares?  Why are you guys making such a huge deal out of what he did?  NHAT probably doesn't even care, because in reality - he's not being affected.  Nobody from this BBS is going to come to his house and beat the fuck out of him because John Shaw saved them a step in acquiring his information.  Jesus shit, man.  Lay off, Richard - your crusade is pointless. 

The info is also mostly wrong.

That’s the main thing I think is bad about this—posting wrong information about someone could get an entirely innocent person in trouble. I have no idea whose address or phone number that really is, but it’s not Rob’s. It may have been, years ago, or it may be someone else’s. Beth (and Dan, heh) is probably going to have a good laugh about her inclusion in Shaw’s little tirade, too, but I could easily see how some people could get very upset about such misidentification.

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General / Re: Tax Me More Fund

« on: February 16, 2008, 02:58:17 AM »

I think that’s a good measure of their support for taxes in general, not tax increases.

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The Polling Pit / Re: Would you like to be a bottle? (NSFW)

« on: September 26, 2007, 10:54:00 PM »

Why the fuck does that site alway resize my browser?

That can be disabled if you’re using Firefox. Preferences/Options → Content → Advanced… (in the top block).

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General / Re: Taxes Chain Letter

« on: September 24, 2007, 03:26:42 PM »

joelberg:—

You skip over Shays’ Rebellion there. That rebellion was the impetus to create the Constitution, the first power-grab by the federal government. The Wikipedia article has a decent description of how that played out.

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General / Re: What do people consider their liberties?

« on: September 24, 2007, 12:11:50 PM »

True liberty is the right to do anything you want so long as you’re harming no one else.

I like that definition.

It’s basically the non-/zero-aggression principle (NAP/ZAP). And it’s nice and easy to remember, and nice and consistent.

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General / Re: Taxes Chain Letter

« on: September 23, 2007, 10:48:27 PM »

Liquor taxes certainly existed over a hundred years ago. That’s what these guys took up arms over.

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General / Re: What do people consider their liberties?

« on: September 23, 2007, 10:25:09 PM »

True liberty is the right to do anything you want so long as you’re harming no one else.