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And gifting, I think. If a person is given a gift it'd be rude to refuse it.

So in the event of routine weapon confiscation (Katrina) you are approached and ordered to hand it over. They have a record that you own a gun. Let's say it was stolen but you can't prove it. Do they bust through your house? Take ya to jail?

It's an extreme scenario. Just curious.

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General / Re: Is Hellbilly racist?
« on: January 27, 2012, 10:03:43 PM »
God damn it. Everyone who replied to the post that was directed at Hellbilly, you made it convenient for him to completely ignore the questions asked in the OP.

Hellbilly, you've been raging that people won't post proof. I took two things from direct quotes that appear pretty overtly racist to give you a chance to explain your POV. I asked you two very simple questions to finally give you the opportunity you claim you've been dying to have to discuss the subject calmly and without emotion and when you finally got around to posting in a thread directed specifically to you, you completely dodged those questions.

The original post is fairly succinct. Two simple questions! Now I think you may be both racist and a troll and in the running to be a politician.


Dale, chill out. I thanked you for staring the thread and said I have to post in smaller chunks. No one wants to read a wall of text but I want to be reasonably thorough plus I have some shit going on. I wanted to brush off people who obviously are not posting in the thread to say anything new - in order to avoid a rehash of the same.

I honestly don't care if I'm called a racist but I'm not running from it either.


Black/white couples are overwhelmingly unstable. Is that the way you put it?

Almost. Most importantly keep in mind that I frame almost all comments like the following specifically referencing ghetto people. All ghetto people. Except latinas and, of course, those who are there because they've reached the end of the line. I lived in the ghetto for a year or two and made sure I got the fuck out. I'm referring to people who don't care if they're ghetto or maybe even gloat about it, not those who are havin hard luck. And of course young children. I'm not going to attach a disclaimer like that every time I post though.

An example of who I'm not referring to are latinas. When I drive through the ghetto I see latinas in their work uniforms at the bus stop. Or I see them sweeping the stairs or stoops. With very few exceptions everyone else, of all colors, ethnicity whatever, are doing typical ghetto shit. If anyone is unaware of what constitutes "doing typical ghetto shit" they shouldn't be posting in this thread. Instead they should go explore the world and become familiar with new experiences.

I make no apologies for not liking ghetto people or for using sarcastic/stinging humor at their expense. They're almost the worst of society and ultimately a drain on everything. Also note that I am not talking about poor people. I grew up in Appalachia, lived in a trailer across from a coal mine where my dad worked. There's an open opportunity for an asshole to crack a joke by the way. None of the many poor people I knew (and still know some) act ghetto. Actually.. some do. Totally ghetto but in image only. That's possible another topic as well -- ghetto rednecks whom I also don't like. And not all people in the ghetto are poor.

I wouldn't give a shit about ghetto people if 1)they weren't so violent 2)I weren't forced to help pay for their existence. But they are and I do.

I'm in the ghetto almost daily because my son's school is located in one. (Could be a separate thread but I'll answer why if you want.) But because I've been there almost daily both morning and afternoon I'm totally familiar with the patterns.

So no one accuses me of dodging- how does "ghetto" incorporate "blacks"? Most ghetto people around me are black. I have been to ghettos that are primarily white (they are called River Rats in Southern GA. again, a separate thread). Most of the ghetto culture I see has been created by black folks, with other individuals desperate for an identity happy to latch on to something.

OK so..

My words:
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From my near daily drives through the ghetto you're analysis of fat white girls who like to gobble down black dicks is precise. I have seen some thin white girls with black dudes too, but they have the appearance of being on a Meth diet. It's totally a win win situation as the black guy gets a social promotion and the white girl gets to pretend that she's truly cherished by a man.

The only women I know personally who have fucked black guys all seem a little screwed up. But I'll admit it - I'm a separatist. I do not mix with upper class people. So I don't personally know any white women who are attractive, wealthy, well balanced and somehow have just met the perfect black guy to settle down with.

I think this quote is in response to a post from Richard. I am not sure but you can check with my archivist, Ken.

Specifically black male and white female couples in the ghetto. The "social promotion" is true. I think I first heard someone mention this back in the O.J. trial days. They were wondering if the same thing applied to O.J. since he was more popular than his white wife. Fat white women are looked down on by a lot of white men. A lot of white men would rather be single and jerk off all the time rather than settle for a fat white gal. But big ladies need lovin too and black guys love the booty ..or so I've been told... and plus that sensual social taboo exists and so they hook up. Mutual satisfaction.. at least until the black guy moves on, leaving his offspring in the hands of an unstable mess. Surely no one can deny that absentee fathers are a big problem in the ghetto. Do to drugs? Sure. I'm totally against drug laws. But that's another thread. And it isn't just white ladies left behind, plenty of black ladies too - and the ones I know are bitter about it.

Note that I'm poking some fun at white people too.

Do true love stories exist inside ghettos? Undoubtedly, somewhere. I doubt these stories lie with the ladies I see stumbling out of the bushes in hot pants and a long fake fur coat.

Quote from: Dalebert
Or is it specifically black males with white females and not the other way around?

Ken, my archivist, located a helpful resource (I believe) in a thread where I compared these varieties. BM+WF couples that I've seen, in the ghetto, are as described above. WM+BF is a whole new deal. I see this variety in health food stores, Barnes & Noble, coffee shops, etc. It's whole new dynamic that I am completely unfazed by because these couples seem to be on the upswing of things. They seem well balanced and I wish nothing but the best for them.

Quote from: Dalebert
There is a disproportionate amount of violence coming from black people on a per capita basis, including upon other black people.

Duly noted. I shall endeavor to remember this. :)

Quote from: Dalebert
What are the points you're trying to make with these statements?

I'm an observer mostly. On many different cultural/social things. It's not like I'm ruled by these thoughts though I fully admit I think about this shit more than most people. Typically I do not start a thread on these topics but I'll almost always contribute to the discussion. I get annoyed when people who are supposedly so skilled in seeing through bullshit give me grief about it. I'm called a "collectivist" by people who constantly talk ahit about cops, lawyers and politicians. Regarding the Free State Project I heard Ian say something like "It's just a bunch of us white guys up here. We need more diversity!"Not only is that collectivist but... why the self deprecation? Congratulate yourselves on being a core group of guys trying to start something big. If there is something wrong with being "just a bunch of white guys" the let me know.

So mostly what I do is point out the idiocy of self-effacing white people rather than focus on the shortcomings of black people. If not "mostly" then I'd say it's pretty balanced.

Quote from: Dalebert
What do you think the reasons are?

Too many variables.

One worth mentioning is welfare. Before welfare the black man had a leadership role in his home. Believe it or not there were many successful blacks before the days of welfare. They had a family unit, etc. Yes, there were many obstacles against them - really bad conditions for many - another separate thread. The popular image presented is that all blacks were poor and abused until the good graces of the white man and his welfare came to the rescue.. that isn't the case.

So, the theory presented to me by my old acquaintance, a black supremacist, was this simple one:
Welfare paid ladies to have babies. This increased the voting base of the politicians enacting the welfare laws and made them look good by helping the poor. A condition of receiving welfare is that the father of the kids couldn't live there. So.. the state became head of household. The men could then father more kids with other women for more money. So in the end the fathers traded responsibility for convenience and here we are today.

After mentioning the black supremacist yesterday I thought more about him today. We worked together in a sort of factory environment. He carried a book around that was all about Nubian culture, how Nubians were the master race or something that had been wiped out by Europeans. It was a sorta weird brand of Afrocentric conspiracy theory stuff. But we had a lot of good talks and with no reservations and no shit slinging and no whining. He made his points, I made mine. We got along fine.

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Even in urban areas?

I'd thought the same that alaric did. If you buy a gun you have to have a check, right?

In the city there's not a lot of places to go to shoot, so y ahave to drive to a range. Don't you have to have a license for your gun to have it in the car legally?

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General / Re: Is Hellbilly racist?
« on: January 27, 2012, 06:43:05 PM »
I'll do my best to reply to everyone's questions and address assumptions, though I hope the assumptions are kept to a minimum.

For anyone who's already convinced I'm a racist, give it a rest. You've had 6 years or so to prove it after making endless accusations. There's a whole team of you so, if you all are correct, it should be easy. This is nothing more than the "When did you stop beating your wife" thing (I didn't connect that so thanks to the guy who pointed that out). I don't start shit with people. I say what's on my mind. If you don't like it, prove me wrong or get over it. There were opportunities for me to initiate aggression against some of you, I passed. I could have picked a side and joined in making fun of you, but in general I don't participate in that shit. To name names, that's Shaw and WTFK.

WTFK - you tried. Find proof or drop it. I'm not one to report anything at all ever to the Mods (not that it would do any good) but sooner or later you will have to find a way to exist without having proven me racist. Think what you will of me, I don't care. I don't care if anyone thinks I'm a racist. Read my words and see if they align with the facts.

Brasky - it's a good time to name names. Your post contains a lot of "some people's" "people" ..stuff like "I think people should get out of their little holes and explore the world a little.  It'll make a better person out of ya." If you mean me, say so. To answer that specifically as if it were addressing me - I don't have a lot of "close" friends. I do know a lot of people though from places like Serbia, Romania, a great gal from Bulgaria living in Spain.. Jamaica.. all over. I live in a city, on the side of town where diversity couldn't be avoided even if one wanted to. I like 80% of the locals here. I don't "explore" the world, as recommended by you, in order to find diverse experiences, I am living the experiences and having the experiences find me.

anarchir - if you thought it had already been determined, and are now wondering if the accusations are true, perhaps you should read my posts and figure it out for yourself.

You won't find anyone more open and consistent about his ideas about race than me. Look into my post history and find out for yourself. I am not desperate to talk about it but I am definitely drawn to the topic. There is no taboo whatsoever in this topic for me, I'm not shy about saying exactly what I think and if I'm proven wrong I'll own up to it. Some love to talk about guns, some weed, video games - whatever. For me, the broad topic is culture. Within that topic, I like the seedier elements - more specifically I like to explore the delusions and dementia within cultures that are on the decline. Currently and historically. You can compare it to Witkin's preference in subject matter in his photography.

I won't be addressing anyone who makes idle accusations any longer unless they bring proof or if they want me to answer a specific issue.

I really appreciate Dale starting this thread and those of ya who are speaking up for me. Thanks also to those of you who are neutral and/or not participating because you don't give a shit or have mad up your mind already.
 
I'll have to break this up into smaller posts - and I don't want to type up long entries like this. Gas man is here. I also don't plan on asking any questions so it doesn't get dragged out.

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General / Re: Apparently, I best be watchin' mah step, boss.
« on: January 26, 2012, 11:08:25 PM »
*yawn*

That's not a troll post. No way.


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You bring the evidence, we talk. Actually, one better... you bring the evidence, I leave the BBS. Which is only an enticement really as I don't even know why I'm posting here right now.

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General / Re: Tough Guys ONLY in this thread.
« on: January 26, 2012, 11:05:46 PM »
Now you're going to necro all the hate threads?

Hate threads?

I know of no hate threads.

Can you provide links to the hate threads?

If the "hate" threads different than the "racist" threads you've already collected, then let's talk.

Keep necroing threads, proving you're a racist and a troll.  That won't get you banned or anything.

1. Uhh.. kinda already familiar with how bans work Ken. Thanks for thinking of me though.

2. Burden of proof lies with those who make the claim. There are a half dozen or so of you making the claim, so what's taking so long?


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Good un quickmike.

I just re-read this thread. It's a good one.. quality Braskyramble. Good number of assorted posters. Some debate on modding before slamming the finger down on buttons.

Good stuff (thanks again to Ken for providing the memories!!). Those were the days I reckon.

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The Rubber Room - Not Safe for Work / Re: An open letter to Sincere
« on: January 26, 2012, 10:51:52 PM »
Bumping for relevancy to the current (redundant) drama.

In case you missed why I'm bumping this...

I searched for the old thread I created years ago called "Prove hellbilly is a racist here" (or something similar) but didn't find it in the results. Instead this one came up. If it wasn't proven all those years ago - DON'T GIVE UP. For Chrissakes DON'T EVER GIVE UP! Perhaps in time there will be a way to force reality to submit to your desires.

Do not worry, this is not the beginning of a mass resurrection of dead threads. I'd totally forgotten about this one (along with all the other episodes of false accusations) and thought it to be revealing. Revealing not only more evidence of my rational thinking on race (including one related to black/white relationships), but also relevant in that it demonstrates the value of allowing unchecked humor to exist alongside controversial discussions. Excessive Modding has killed that, in my opinion.

I certainly miss the camaraderie that existed back then, and I'm surprised at how many names are listed as "guest" now. It wasn't at all like 4-chan (as it has been compared to). It's risque sure, but relevant and even a bit intelligent. At least in this old thread.

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General / Re: Apparently, I best be watchin' mah step, boss.
« on: January 26, 2012, 10:39:42 PM »
A long time ago I created a thread here to give people a dedicated place to prove I'm a racist. Apparently that was so long ago it's been purged from the database.

But another thread came up that I thought was worth mentioning. The first page is most relevant but the other pages aren't bad.

http://bbs.freetalklive.com/rubber-room-for-trolls-not-safe-for-work/an-open-letter-to-sincere/

Click it and read more nasty racist stuff from me.

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General / Re: Tough Guys ONLY in this thread.
« on: January 26, 2012, 10:10:20 PM »
Now you're going to necro all the hate threads?

Hate threads?

I know of no hate threads.

Can you provide links to the hate threads?

If the "hate" threads different than the "racist" threads you've already collected, then let's talk.

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General / Re: Apparently, I best be watchin' mah step, boss.
« on: January 26, 2012, 10:07:03 PM »

You're bringing race into it...why?  Ever been to a nice neighborhood with "people of color" in it?  Ever been to a bad neighborhood with just white people?  They exist.

FWIW, I've been part of an "interracial couple."  I am now.  I don't live in a ghetto.  My neighbors used to be black.  They didn't burn their house down or anyone else's.  They didn't steal shit from me, either.

The bigot doesn't know it's a bigot.

Yes I know your wife is Asian. I know because you were teased about it here on the BBS. I wasn't one of those who teased you.

Yes. I have black neighbors. We work together to keep the ghetto from creeping our way. They help with the neighborhood watch. Their kids ride my kid's scooter sometimes. Imagine that.

You are branching away from the topic now and I don't have the time for it. That is why I am trying to form sentences in a robot-like way. To keep everything clear and simple for you.

I can not keep up with this frequency in posting. But i just noticed another post from you.

In it, you say "It's out there...only a fraction of your bigotry." I encourage you to find it and bring it to light. I thought that was your intent in harvesting all those links. I was wrong, apparently.

I will respond to you when you have clear words from me that prove I am a racist. Not an elitist, not a culturalist, not racially insensitive. Those three qualities are easily proven and I openly admit I am all three. No apologies for it.

You bring the evidence, we talk. Actually, one better... you bring the evidence, I leave the BBS. Which is only an enticement really as I don't even know why I'm posting here right now.

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General / Re: Apparently, I best be watchin' mah step, boss.
« on: January 26, 2012, 09:44:38 PM »
I know that this is your big moment to fit in Ken. Best of luck to you.

There's just that pesky detail of "proof" to clear away and then you'll receive a nice warm embrace, I'm sure.

And, if I may, I will remind everyone that these links were searched out by W2FitIn Ken. All of the links he presented should be scrutinized for any shred of racism.

You will find a whole lot of racial insensitivity. You will find a lot of elitism.

You will not find racism. You will not find apologies.

Haters gonna hate.

Yes you will.

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Nah..I think you may have misread whatever I wrote.. I've only been to stormfront a half dozen times or so, most of those just as a result of clicking a link. What I took from the first visit was all I needed- that it basically comes down to the members there having an in-house "I Am Whiter Than You, I Am More Racially Pure Than You." contest. That and "Onward Christian-Anglo Soldiers.", "Hitler Was Awesome." etc. I'll pass on that stuff.

The point was that because no one talks freely about the extremely valid topic of violent black folk, the only places you'll find it being freely discussed is on sites like stormfront. That suits most people just fine, as they prefer to avoid those pesky details in favor of preserving their fantasy that they reside in a Rainbow Colored Happyland. So, moderately concerned people may 1) get sucked in to the whole White Supremacy movement, or 2)they may be made to feel so ashamed due to peer pressure that they go all ballzout and deny that the problem exists. Either outcome does nothing to solve the problem.

Be frank about all this shit, find a way to get it sorted. Or, hide the pesky details and keep pretending that there's nothing to be concerned about.. (meanwhile innocent people will continue to be blown to bits, and crime from ghetto shitheads will continue to take the lives of people both in and outside the ghettos.. but at least we were polite enough not to discuss those things!).

A very longwinded way of saying "Black criminals are going to destroy civilization if we don't do something about it, and only us racists give a shit."

...and I'll remind everyone he chose the link...out of several...

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General / Re: Apparently, I best be watchin' mah step, boss.
« on: January 26, 2012, 09:39:11 PM »

Rationalize all you want--it's all out there--you sometimes choose your words carefully, as in the one sample you chose, and others not.  Your long history makes it obvious what you are.

By the way, this was the whole quote:

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From my near daily drives through the ghetto you're analysis of fat white girls who like to gobble down black dicks is precise. I have seen some thin white girls with black dudes too, but they have the appearance of being on a Meth diet. It's totally a win win situation as the black guy gets a social promotion and the white girl gets to pretend that she's truly cherished by a man.

The only women I know personally who have fucked black guys all seem a little screwed up. But I'll admit it - I'm a separatist. I do not mix with upper class people. So I don't personally know any white women who are attractive, wealthy, well balanced and somehow have just met the perfect black guy to settle down with.

Gee...looks like you left the interesting parts out.

Ken.. have you been to the ghetto lately? Ever?

This is an apt description of life for many dysfunctional and black/white couples whom reside in the ghetto.

It's true that I do not know any well adjusted black/white couples. Interracial couples, yes. A dozen or more. Black/white - none.

How many well adjusted black/white couples do you know of? Personally, not celebrity, etc.

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General / Re: Apparently, I best be watchin' mah step, boss.
« on: January 26, 2012, 09:32:10 PM »
I don't mean to hijack the thread or anything, but WTFK's liks to my posts was pretty cool. I decided to go through and copy and paste em and found this gem in the bunch:

Now... how the fuck can anyone possibly stretch this into a racist post?

Apparently all I could ever say to defend myself form this shit was said a long time ago - whenever the post below was written. If that didn't clear it away nothing I'll ever say can.

Haters gonna hate.


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Nah..I think you may have misread whatever I wrote.. I've only been to stormfront a half dozen times or so, most of those just as a result of clicking a link. What I took from the first visit was all I needed- that it basically comes down to the members there having an in-house "I Am Whiter Than You, I Am More Racially Pure Than You." contest. That and "Onward Christian-Anglo Soldiers.", "Hitler Was Awesome." etc. I'll pass on that stuff.

The point was that because no one talks freely about the extremely valid topic of violent black folk, the only places you'll find it being freely discussed is on sites like stormfront. That suits most people just fine, as they prefer to avoid those pesky details in favor of preserving their fantasy that they reside in a Rainbow Colored Happyland. So, moderately concerned people may 1) get sucked in to the whole White Supremacy movement, or 2)they may be made to feel so ashamed due to peer pressure that they go all ballzout and deny that the problem exists. Either outcome does nothing to solve the problem.

Be frank about all this shit, find a way to get it sorted. Or, hide the pesky details and keep pretending that there's nothing to be concerned about.. (meanwhile innocent people will continue to be blown to bits, and crime from ghetto shitheads will continue to take the lives of people both in and outside the ghettos.. but at least we were polite enough not to discuss those things!).


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General / Re: Tough Guys ONLY in this thread.
« on: January 26, 2012, 09:23:23 PM »
Given the current ego driven macho shit talking going on from soooomeone hereabouts, I felt like I needed to share this.

One time out on the battle field a Zulu warrior chief came at me quite aggressively. Obviously intent on doing me harm, he was armed with a lit cigarette in one hand and a Big Mac in the other. I waited till he got close enough to remove all doubt of his intentions and so when I inhaled the second hand smoke, I knew the Big Mac wasn't far behind and so I stepped up to him and killed that mother with my BARE HANDS.

And I think he was a bigot too.

WTFK brought this to my attention.

No clue at all what I was getting at here.

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General / Re: Apparently, I best be watchin' mah step, boss.
« on: January 26, 2012, 09:16:39 PM »
Perhaps you can, Dale, since you said I argue "for racism".

Oh yeah? Quote me where I said that. I'll save you the trouble. My post speaks purely in hypotheticals. I even pointed that out explicitly for the slower people.

If he's a sincere racist (which I realize he claims not to be and I'm not arguing it right now), then that could even be evidence that he's not a troll. If his motivations, for instance, were to argue for racism intellectually and not just to stir up shit, then that's not trolling. It would, however, be another very good reason to ban someone if you don't want a racist atmosphere to develop here.


I am totally wrong in this, and don't mind saying so. Sorry about that.

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