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Episodes & Show Prep / Re: 2012-02-05
« on: March 16, 2012, 11:37:54 PM »
From their join the Holy Seal Lion page: http://www.ericssoncouncil.org/page7.html
Quote:
"You'll learn what the Bible really says, by the amazingly simple technique known as "reading."
You'll learn to hear the Voice of the Lord, and pray according to His will.
You'll learn to heal the sick, do miracles, all that fun stuff. Really. Our God is an awesome God.
You'll work among other Christians who have dedicated their lives to His service.
As a Sea Lion, you can preach the Gospel, conduct medical missions, free slaves, build infrastructure for the coming 'beast' system...the Twelve Fleets each have a specific purpose, and you can work among people who feel like you do.
Don't waste your Christianity on "attendance." Get up and do those good works that God prepared for you before the world began. Join the Sea Lions Academy."
I am sorry, but why would you want to go hang out with a bunch of uptight christians on boats? The bible is not known for being tolerant of nonconformist or freethinkers. The bible tends to recommend death by murder to those who don't do what it says. Tolerance is not a big part of its message.
Can anyone explain what the these guys mean by saying that they are preparing infrastructure for the coming of the "beast system" means? That sounds like they believe in the coming of the Antichrist and the number of the beast type of stuff. If that's the message -- buy a boat because Satan is coming -- then why bother? The christians believe they are going to be taken up to heaven in the rapture, so why the boat? The sane should buy some seeds and learn how to plant food instead. That's more practical than reading the bible all day and hoping god will give you some good current and float your boat toward an island with some food or water on it.
By the way, if you hear the voice of the LORD, you are fucking crazy. Get some medical help immediately!
Quote:
"You'll learn what the Bible really says, by the amazingly simple technique known as "reading."
You'll learn to hear the Voice of the Lord, and pray according to His will.
You'll learn to heal the sick, do miracles, all that fun stuff. Really. Our God is an awesome God.
You'll work among other Christians who have dedicated their lives to His service.
As a Sea Lion, you can preach the Gospel, conduct medical missions, free slaves, build infrastructure for the coming 'beast' system...the Twelve Fleets each have a specific purpose, and you can work among people who feel like you do.
Don't waste your Christianity on "attendance." Get up and do those good works that God prepared for you before the world began. Join the Sea Lions Academy."
I am sorry, but why would you want to go hang out with a bunch of uptight christians on boats? The bible is not known for being tolerant of nonconformist or freethinkers. The bible tends to recommend death by murder to those who don't do what it says. Tolerance is not a big part of its message.
Can anyone explain what the these guys mean by saying that they are preparing infrastructure for the coming of the "beast system" means? That sounds like they believe in the coming of the Antichrist and the number of the beast type of stuff. If that's the message -- buy a boat because Satan is coming -- then why bother? The christians believe they are going to be taken up to heaven in the rapture, so why the boat? The sane should buy some seeds and learn how to plant food instead. That's more practical than reading the bible all day and hoping god will give you some good current and float your boat toward an island with some food or water on it.
By the way, if you hear the voice of the LORD, you are fucking crazy. Get some medical help immediately!
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The Polling Pit / Re: Laws
« on: March 16, 2012, 08:12:40 PM »
All laws can be reduced down to a single rule:
You can do whatever you want as long as you don't hurt anybody.
You can do whatever you want as long as you don't hurt anybody.
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General / Re: Militia?
« on: March 10, 2012, 01:04:54 PM »I'm having a hard time believing that rational DEFENSIVE militias are a bad thing. Any thoughts?, am I wrong?Yes, you are wrong.
As soon as you fight back with guns, you justify an excessive use of government violence against you: tanks, helicopter, drones, poison gas, rocket attacks, whatever it takes to kill you. The stronger you are, the harder they will hit you. In other words, all your militia members will get killed. Is that really a plan?
Could you really pick up a gun and snipe somebody in the face and kill them? That's what a militia would be doing: hiding and sniping. Militias are a lost cause on both a practical and moral level. They will always be defeated and the laws just get worse.
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General / Re: Charles Manson: where's the victim?
« on: March 08, 2012, 05:49:49 PM »
I reject the claim that intention is relevant. Intent is a thought, we can only be held responsible for our actions.
What about the consequences of our actions? Are we responsible for those?
If intent has no relevance, consider the following two scenarios:
Case One: Person A is angry at Person B. Person A says, "I'm gonna kill you!!" Person A gets a gun and shoots Person B in the stomach.
Case Two: Person A asks Person B if the gun is loaded. Person B says no. Person A jokingly picks up the gun, points the gun at Person B, says, "bang" and pulls the trigger. The gun goes off and Person B is shot in the stomach.
In Case One, Person A attempted murder.
In Case Two, Person A is a dumb-ass and should be avoided, however, they did not attempt murder.
My question to you is:
In your world, is there a difference between the two shootings? If not, why?
What do you think about yelling, "Fire!" in a crowded theatre? If a person does and somebody tramples some old lady, has the provoker done anything wrong?
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General / Re: Charles Manson: where's the victim?
« on: March 07, 2012, 02:37:50 PM »
If you meant me, I am not trolling. I'm just trying to destroy the Manson-is-innocent argument because I find him so revolting.
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General / Re: Charles Manson: where's the victim?
« on: March 07, 2012, 02:24:47 PM »
I think most of the Manson people used drugs willingly.
Nevertheless, is a person responsible for manipulating weaker minds for the purpose of violence?
Imagine this. We are standing on top of a tall building and you are on PCP or LSD. I know that you are hallucinating and in a dream-state. I use this knowledge to convince you that you can fly and to jump. If you jump and die, am I in the smallest way responsible for your death? Is it aggression to talk you into killing yourself while you are out of touch with reality?
Intention is important. Manson clearly intended harm. He used his personality and his follower's self-drugged state to accomplish it. He planned the crimes. He helped them accomplish their deeds. That's why he is in jail for conspiracy to commit murder and murder.
I am new to the Liberty movement, so I am having trouble seeing why anyone would claim this psychopath is improperly imprisoned (regardless if he did the stabbing, cutting and fetus-removing or not). I will never see this as acceptable behavior.
I think the people who say Manson did not commit a crime know little about the Manson case. That's obvious. If you are going to pick a case about principle, you need to find somebody who is not violent. Manson is a losing argument and you just look crazy. Those that are defending Manson don't seem to know a whole lot about him or what he did. You didn't even know he shot Crowe and committed other violent crimes. Do some research first.
Here's a good place to start: http://kat.ph/helter-skelter-the-true-story-of-the-manson-murders-vincent-bugliosi-amp-curt-gentry-epub-t6205863.html
If Manson was a talk show host and ranted about killing people all day, never met his followers, never planned murders with them, and they just shot people on their own, it would be a different case. Manson would be guilt free: still a jerk, but not involved in those crimes. That's not what happened. Manson helped. End of story.
Why do you want to support a violent criminal who obviously violated the non-aggression principle on so many occasions?
Nevertheless, is a person responsible for manipulating weaker minds for the purpose of violence?
Imagine this. We are standing on top of a tall building and you are on PCP or LSD. I know that you are hallucinating and in a dream-state. I use this knowledge to convince you that you can fly and to jump. If you jump and die, am I in the smallest way responsible for your death? Is it aggression to talk you into killing yourself while you are out of touch with reality?
Intention is important. Manson clearly intended harm. He used his personality and his follower's self-drugged state to accomplish it. He planned the crimes. He helped them accomplish their deeds. That's why he is in jail for conspiracy to commit murder and murder.
I am new to the Liberty movement, so I am having trouble seeing why anyone would claim this psychopath is improperly imprisoned (regardless if he did the stabbing, cutting and fetus-removing or not). I will never see this as acceptable behavior.
I think the people who say Manson did not commit a crime know little about the Manson case. That's obvious. If you are going to pick a case about principle, you need to find somebody who is not violent. Manson is a losing argument and you just look crazy. Those that are defending Manson don't seem to know a whole lot about him or what he did. You didn't even know he shot Crowe and committed other violent crimes. Do some research first.
Here's a good place to start: http://kat.ph/helter-skelter-the-true-story-of-the-manson-murders-vincent-bugliosi-amp-curt-gentry-epub-t6205863.html
If Manson was a talk show host and ranted about killing people all day, never met his followers, never planned murders with them, and they just shot people on their own, it would be a different case. Manson would be guilt free: still a jerk, but not involved in those crimes. That's not what happened. Manson helped. End of story.
Why do you want to support a violent criminal who obviously violated the non-aggression principle on so many occasions?
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General / Re: Charles Manson: where's the victim?
« on: March 06, 2012, 06:32:12 PM »Yes, but that is a physical act, with the qualifier that the person who drugged the murderer had ill intent.
By this, do you mean that you agree that Manson's ill intent was a physical act?
From AboveTopSecret.com:
A new type of LSD known as "Orange Sunshine" was being used by the Manson Family immediately prior to the Tate-LaBianca murders according to Family member Charles "Tex" Watson, who wrote in his prison memoir that it was the use of Orange Sunshine LSD that finally convinced him that Manson's violent, apocalyptic vision was real.
In addition, Tex Watson recounted in his testimony that Manson used other drugs such as "mescaline, psilocybin, and the THC, and STP" and described a "mental acid" that "drew stuff out of your mind; and the other (body acid)...would be drawing your body."
Later, when asked about the use of drugs in the Manson family "Tex" said, "People seem to think that Manson had all of us drugged out, while he remained sober so he could easily manipulate our minds. This may be true, but a sorcerer such as Manson uses mind-altering drugs himself in order to contact spiritual beings, and gain supernatural powers."
Manson did exactly what you said would be murder. He fed his followers drugs, made them think he was God, planned very violent murders with them and then set his zombies loose on a pregnant lady and her friends. That's why he is in jail.
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General / Re: Charles Manson: where's the victim?
« on: March 06, 2012, 03:08:10 PM »
Is murder only a physical act?
If I purposely give you a dissociative drug to make you crazy, am I responsible for your crazy acts?
If I purposely give you a dissociative drug to make you crazy, am I responsible for your crazy acts?
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General / Re: Charles Manson: where's the victim?
« on: March 06, 2012, 04:15:01 AM »
Manson is dangerous. For example, Manson attempted to murder Bernard Crowe by shooting him in Crowe's apartment on July 1, 1969. Am I wrong in thinking that shooting a person with a handgun in their home with the intent on killing them to start a race war is against the non-aggression principle? Not only did Manson shoot people and conspire to kill them, he committed several armed robberies and stole cars.
Have any of you read the book Helter Skelter by Vincent Bugliosi. You should. Manson is a seriously dangerous person. If Manson was your neighbor and you had something he wanted, your life and property would be in danger.
Have any of you read the book Helter Skelter by Vincent Bugliosi. You should. Manson is a seriously dangerous person. If Manson was your neighbor and you had something he wanted, your life and property would be in danger.
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General / Re: Excellent breasts.
« on: February 20, 2012, 12:25:27 PM »
For people who like their hockey with some breasts and protest...
Do they really need four cops to subdue this topless woman?
More topless protesting can be found at:
http://cryptome.org/protest-series.htm
Do they really need four cops to subdue this topless woman?
More topless protesting can be found at:
http://cryptome.org/protest-series.htm
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General / Re: Free Thought Association Game
« on: February 07, 2012, 10:44:28 PM »
Flying Spaghetti Monster
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General / Re: Cut the IP crap
« on: February 07, 2012, 09:28:39 PM »
I have purchased 8-track tapes, tape cassettes, vinyl records and CDs of the exact same Beatles album. I have come to the conclusion that the container is what is being sold, not the data (songs) on it. If I was buying the "song" from the record label, I would be able to trade in my 8-Track of "Abbey Road" for a nice new iTunes download of the album. Obviously, I can't do this. The package is what matters, not the data (song) file. The data contained on all of these obsolete formats is thrown out as soon as a new technology comes up with a new form of delivery.
IP supporters should ask themselves this:
After you buy a bunch of MP3s, what happens when that data (song) file is made obsolete by a better sounding, smaller file format. What happens if I buy my songs from iTunes, Amazon or Zune, when those services are replaced by more innovative businesses? If you do not know the answer already, you should. If the format is made obsolete, the previously purchased songs will have to be repurchased again in whatever format or service gets pushed on us.
I agree that if a person wants a hard copy of a 180 gram collector's edition vinyl album/CD of the latest supergroups new album, they should buy it. However, people passing around data that they harvested from their soon to be useless and obsolete compact discs (ripped with their equipment and power) is not the same thing as theft.
If you still don't get it, try this:
Would the pro IP people consider this theft?
Imagine that my friend and I know how to sew clothing. We both buy a fancy dress, take it apart (rip it), make a paper pattern and duplicate it. Then we trade it with each other. My friend gets a dress that she did not buy and so do I. Have we stolen the clothing? Do we owe the dress designer money?
I think not.
I doubt that I am the only person that has purchased the same album in multiple formats. Am I?
IP supporters should ask themselves this:
After you buy a bunch of MP3s, what happens when that data (song) file is made obsolete by a better sounding, smaller file format. What happens if I buy my songs from iTunes, Amazon or Zune, when those services are replaced by more innovative businesses? If you do not know the answer already, you should. If the format is made obsolete, the previously purchased songs will have to be repurchased again in whatever format or service gets pushed on us.
I agree that if a person wants a hard copy of a 180 gram collector's edition vinyl album/CD of the latest supergroups new album, they should buy it. However, people passing around data that they harvested from their soon to be useless and obsolete compact discs (ripped with their equipment and power) is not the same thing as theft.
If you still don't get it, try this:
Would the pro IP people consider this theft?
Imagine that my friend and I know how to sew clothing. We both buy a fancy dress, take it apart (rip it), make a paper pattern and duplicate it. Then we trade it with each other. My friend gets a dress that she did not buy and so do I. Have we stolen the clothing? Do we owe the dress designer money?
I think not.
I doubt that I am the only person that has purchased the same album in multiple formats. Am I?
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General / Re: Free Thought Association Game
« on: February 07, 2012, 08:25:08 PM »
Psychotic Chihuahua
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