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General / Why does God in the Bible say his name is Jealous? Happy Winter Solstice
« on: December 21, 2013, 08:36:23 PM »
see Exodus 34:14
"Then the Lord said:"..."Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.""
"10Then the Lord said: “I am making a covenant with you. Before all your people I will do wonders never before done in any nation in all the world. The people you live among will see how awesome is the work that I, the Lord, will do for you. 11Obey what I command you today. I will drive out before you the Amorites, Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. 12Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land where you are going, or they will be a snare among you. 13Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and cut down their Asherah poles.a 14Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God."
Happy Winter Solstice, I can not wait till Easter...
Happy Zombie Jesus Day Song (2013)
"Then the Lord said:"..."Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.""
"10Then the Lord said: “I am making a covenant with you. Before all your people I will do wonders never before done in any nation in all the world. The people you live among will see how awesome is the work that I, the Lord, will do for you. 11Obey what I command you today. I will drive out before you the Amorites, Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. 12Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land where you are going, or they will be a snare among you. 13Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and cut down their Asherah poles.a 14Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God."
Happy Winter Solstice, I can not wait till Easter...
Happy Zombie Jesus Day Song (2013)
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General / Searching the Truth before God? (start here)
« on: October 11, 2013, 10:27:25 PM »
Why I am no longer a Christian by Evid3nc3
One man's touching story about searching for the Truth!
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLA0C3C1D163BE880A
One man's touching story about searching for the Truth!
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLA0C3C1D163BE880A
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General / Add this message to you phone answering device
« on: August 12, 2013, 09:28:29 PM »
Add this message to your phone answering device:
"This phone line like all other phone lines is subject to monitoring, and recording; including the recording of your number, by the US federal government, even if it is unconstitutional."
"I'm not available now. Please leave your message after the tone."
"This phone line like all other phone lines is subject to monitoring, and recording; including the recording of your number, by the US federal government, even if it is unconstitutional."
"I'm not available now. Please leave your message after the tone."
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General / Put your open letters to the violent thugs in political power here.
« on: August 02, 2013, 08:03:41 PM »
Here is my letter to those in the US congress:
(Please, reply to this topic with your own open letters.)
To the House of Representatives and the Senate,
I deny my consent to your criminal "government'" organization.
You should:
Leave whistle-blowers alone.
Stop spying on the innocent.
Stop threatening others through your laws and regulations.
Stop stealing through taxes, debt, and inflation.
Stop killing people in your unneeded wars.
Stop violating the constitution.
Start holding those with political power accountable for their violent threats and acts!
Shame on You!
Shame!
Shame!
START DOING WHAT IS RIGHT !
(Please, reply to this topic with your own open letters.)
To the House of Representatives and the Senate,
I deny my consent to your criminal "government'" organization.
You should:
Leave whistle-blowers alone.
Stop spying on the innocent.
Stop threatening others through your laws and regulations.
Stop stealing through taxes, debt, and inflation.
Stop killing people in your unneeded wars.
Stop violating the constitution.
Start holding those with political power accountable for their violent threats and acts!
Shame on You!
Shame!
Shame!
START DOING WHAT IS RIGHT !
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General / Songs to you from Dave
« on: June 18, 2013, 12:08:59 AM »Enjoy yours in Liberty,
Love and Peace,
Dave
MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS - SAME LOVE feat. MARY LAMBERT (OFFICIAL VIDEO)
More to come ...
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General / /U/161719 tells us all why surveillance is not OK(reposted)
« on: June 12, 2013, 09:48:44 AM »
I live in a country generally assumed to be a dictatorship. One of the Arab spring countries. I have lived through curfews and have seen the outcomes of the sort of surveillance now being revealed in the US. People here talking about curfews aren't realizing what that actually FEELS like. It isn't about having to go inside, and the practicality of that. It's about creating the feeling that everyone, everything is watching. A few points:
1) the purpose of this surveillance from the governments point of view is to control enemies of the state. Not terrorists. People who are coalescing around ideas that would destabilize the status quo. These could be religious ideas. These could be groups like anon who are too good with tech for the governments liking. It makes it very easy to know who these people are. It also makes it very simple to control these people.
Lets say you are a college student and you get in with some people who want to stop farming practices that hurt animals. So you make a plan and go to protest these practices. You get there, and wow, the protest is huge. You never expected this, you were just goofing off. Well now everyone who was there is suspect. Even though you technically had the right to protest, you're now considered a dangerous person.
With this tech in place, the government doesn't have to put you in jail. They can do something more sinister. They can just email you a sexy picture you took with a girlfriend. Or they can email you a note saying that they can prove your dad is cheating on his taxes. Or they can threaten to get your dad fired. All you have to do, the email says, is help them catch your friends in the group. You have to report back every week, or you dad might lose his job. So you do. You turn in your friends and even though they try to keep meetings off grid, you're reporting on them to protect your dad.
2) Let's say number one goes on. The country is a weird place now. Really weird. Pretty soon, a movement springs up like occupy, except its bigger this time. People are really serious, and they are saying they want a government without this power. I guess people are realizing that it is a serious deal. You see on the news that tear gas was fired. Your friend calls you, frantic. They're shooting people. Oh my god. you never signed up for this. You say, fuck it. My dad might lose his job but I won't be responsible for anyone dying. That's going too far. You refuse to report anymore. You just stop going to meetings. You stay at home, and try not to watch the news. Three days later, police come to your door and arrest you. They confiscate your computer and phones, and they beat you up a bit. No one can help you so they all just sit quietly. They know if they say anything they're next. This happened in the country I live in. It is not a joke.
3) Its hard to say how long you were in there. What you saw was horrible. Most of the time, you only heard screams. People begging to be killed. Noises you've never heard before. You, you were lucky. You got kicked every day when they threw your moldy food at you, but no one shocked you. No one used sexual violence on you, at least that you remember. There were some times they gave you pills, and you can't say for sure what happened then. To be honest, sometimes the pills were the best part of your day, because at least then you didn't feel anything. You have scars on you from the way you were treated. You learn in prison that torture is now common. But everyone who uploads videos or pictures of this torture is labeled a leaker. Its considered a threat to national security. Pretty soon, a cut you got on your leg is looking really bad. You think it's infected. There were no doctors in prison, and it was so overcrowded, who knows what got in the cut. You go to the doctor, but he refuses to see you. He knows if he does the government can see the records that he treated you. Even you calling his office prompts a visit from the local police.
You decide to go home and see your parents. Maybe they can help. This leg is getting really bad. You get to their house. They aren't home. You can't reach them no matter how hard you try. A neighbor pulls you aside, and he quickly tells you they were arrested three weeks ago and haven't been seen since. You vaguely remember mentioning to them on the phone you were going to that protest. Even your little brother isn't there.
4) Is this even really happening? You look at the news. Sports scores. Celebrity news. It's like nothing is wrong. What the hell is going on? A stranger smirks at you reading the paper. You lose it. You shout at him "fuck you dude what are you laughing at can't you see I've got a fucking wound on my leg?"
"Sorry," he says. "I just didn't know anyone read the news anymore." There haven't been any real journalists for months. They're all in jail.
Everyone walking around is scared. They can't talk to anyone else because they don't know who is reporting for the government. Hell, at one time YOU were reporting for the government. Maybe they just want their kid to get through school. Maybe they want to keep their job. Maybe they're sick and want to be able to visit the doctor. It's always a simple reason. Good people always do bad things for simple reasons.
You want to protest. You want your family back. You need help for your leg. This is way beyond anything you ever wanted. It started because you just wanted to see fair treatment in farms. Now you're basically considered a terrorist, and everyone around you might be reporting on you. You definitely can't use a phone or email. You can't get a job. You can't even trust people face to face anymore. On every corner, there are people with guns. They are as scared as you are. They just don't want to lose their jobs. They don't want to be labeled as traitors.
This all happened in the country where I live.
You want to know why revolutions happen? Because little by little by little things get worse and worse. But this thing that is happening now is big. This is the key ingredient. This allows them to know everything they need to know to accomplish the above. The fact that they are doing it is proof that they are the sort of people who might use it in the way I described. In the country I live in, they also claimed it was for the safety of the people. Same in Soviet Russia. Same in East Germany. In fact, that is always the excuse that is used to surveil everyone. But it has never ONCE proven to be the reality.
Maybe Obama won't do it. Maybe the next guy won't, or the one after him. Maybe this story isn't about you. Maybe it happens 10 or 20 years from now, when a big war is happening, or after another big attack. Maybe it's about your daughter or your son. We just don't know yet. But what we do know is that right now, in this moment we have a choice. Are we okay with this, or not? Do we want this power to exist, or not?
You know for me, the reason I'm upset is that I grew up in school saying the pledge of allegiance. I was taught that the United States meant "liberty and justice for all." You get older, you learn that in this country we define that phrase based on the constitution. That's what tells us what liberty is and what justice is. Well, the government just violated that ideal. So if they aren't standing for liberty and justice anymore, what are they standing for? Safety?
Ask yourself a question. In the story I told above, does anyone sound safe?
I didn't make anything up. These things happened to people I know. We used to think it couldn't happen in America. But guess what? It's starting to happen.
I actually get really upset when people say "I don't have anything to hide. Let them read everything." People saying that have no idea what they are bringing down on their own heads. They are naive, and we need to listen to people in other countries who are clearly telling us that this is a horrible horrible sign and it is time to stand up and say no.
1) the purpose of this surveillance from the governments point of view is to control enemies of the state. Not terrorists. People who are coalescing around ideas that would destabilize the status quo. These could be religious ideas. These could be groups like anon who are too good with tech for the governments liking. It makes it very easy to know who these people are. It also makes it very simple to control these people.
Lets say you are a college student and you get in with some people who want to stop farming practices that hurt animals. So you make a plan and go to protest these practices. You get there, and wow, the protest is huge. You never expected this, you were just goofing off. Well now everyone who was there is suspect. Even though you technically had the right to protest, you're now considered a dangerous person.
With this tech in place, the government doesn't have to put you in jail. They can do something more sinister. They can just email you a sexy picture you took with a girlfriend. Or they can email you a note saying that they can prove your dad is cheating on his taxes. Or they can threaten to get your dad fired. All you have to do, the email says, is help them catch your friends in the group. You have to report back every week, or you dad might lose his job. So you do. You turn in your friends and even though they try to keep meetings off grid, you're reporting on them to protect your dad.
2) Let's say number one goes on. The country is a weird place now. Really weird. Pretty soon, a movement springs up like occupy, except its bigger this time. People are really serious, and they are saying they want a government without this power. I guess people are realizing that it is a serious deal. You see on the news that tear gas was fired. Your friend calls you, frantic. They're shooting people. Oh my god. you never signed up for this. You say, fuck it. My dad might lose his job but I won't be responsible for anyone dying. That's going too far. You refuse to report anymore. You just stop going to meetings. You stay at home, and try not to watch the news. Three days later, police come to your door and arrest you. They confiscate your computer and phones, and they beat you up a bit. No one can help you so they all just sit quietly. They know if they say anything they're next. This happened in the country I live in. It is not a joke.
3) Its hard to say how long you were in there. What you saw was horrible. Most of the time, you only heard screams. People begging to be killed. Noises you've never heard before. You, you were lucky. You got kicked every day when they threw your moldy food at you, but no one shocked you. No one used sexual violence on you, at least that you remember. There were some times they gave you pills, and you can't say for sure what happened then. To be honest, sometimes the pills were the best part of your day, because at least then you didn't feel anything. You have scars on you from the way you were treated. You learn in prison that torture is now common. But everyone who uploads videos or pictures of this torture is labeled a leaker. Its considered a threat to national security. Pretty soon, a cut you got on your leg is looking really bad. You think it's infected. There were no doctors in prison, and it was so overcrowded, who knows what got in the cut. You go to the doctor, but he refuses to see you. He knows if he does the government can see the records that he treated you. Even you calling his office prompts a visit from the local police.
You decide to go home and see your parents. Maybe they can help. This leg is getting really bad. You get to their house. They aren't home. You can't reach them no matter how hard you try. A neighbor pulls you aside, and he quickly tells you they were arrested three weeks ago and haven't been seen since. You vaguely remember mentioning to them on the phone you were going to that protest. Even your little brother isn't there.
4) Is this even really happening? You look at the news. Sports scores. Celebrity news. It's like nothing is wrong. What the hell is going on? A stranger smirks at you reading the paper. You lose it. You shout at him "fuck you dude what are you laughing at can't you see I've got a fucking wound on my leg?"
"Sorry," he says. "I just didn't know anyone read the news anymore." There haven't been any real journalists for months. They're all in jail.
Everyone walking around is scared. They can't talk to anyone else because they don't know who is reporting for the government. Hell, at one time YOU were reporting for the government. Maybe they just want their kid to get through school. Maybe they want to keep their job. Maybe they're sick and want to be able to visit the doctor. It's always a simple reason. Good people always do bad things for simple reasons.
You want to protest. You want your family back. You need help for your leg. This is way beyond anything you ever wanted. It started because you just wanted to see fair treatment in farms. Now you're basically considered a terrorist, and everyone around you might be reporting on you. You definitely can't use a phone or email. You can't get a job. You can't even trust people face to face anymore. On every corner, there are people with guns. They are as scared as you are. They just don't want to lose their jobs. They don't want to be labeled as traitors.
This all happened in the country where I live.
You want to know why revolutions happen? Because little by little by little things get worse and worse. But this thing that is happening now is big. This is the key ingredient. This allows them to know everything they need to know to accomplish the above. The fact that they are doing it is proof that they are the sort of people who might use it in the way I described. In the country I live in, they also claimed it was for the safety of the people. Same in Soviet Russia. Same in East Germany. In fact, that is always the excuse that is used to surveil everyone. But it has never ONCE proven to be the reality.
Maybe Obama won't do it. Maybe the next guy won't, or the one after him. Maybe this story isn't about you. Maybe it happens 10 or 20 years from now, when a big war is happening, or after another big attack. Maybe it's about your daughter or your son. We just don't know yet. But what we do know is that right now, in this moment we have a choice. Are we okay with this, or not? Do we want this power to exist, or not?
You know for me, the reason I'm upset is that I grew up in school saying the pledge of allegiance. I was taught that the United States meant "liberty and justice for all." You get older, you learn that in this country we define that phrase based on the constitution. That's what tells us what liberty is and what justice is. Well, the government just violated that ideal. So if they aren't standing for liberty and justice anymore, what are they standing for? Safety?
Ask yourself a question. In the story I told above, does anyone sound safe?
I didn't make anything up. These things happened to people I know. We used to think it couldn't happen in America. But guess what? It's starting to happen.
I actually get really upset when people say "I don't have anything to hide. Let them read everything." People saying that have no idea what they are bringing down on their own heads. They are naive, and we need to listen to people in other countries who are clearly telling us that this is a horrible horrible sign and it is time to stand up and say no.
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General / Send a Letter from America to be broadcast into North Korea.
« on: June 12, 2013, 09:09:17 AM »
"Attention Americans: Please Send a Letter from America to be broadcast into North Korea"
http://www.nkfreedom.org/Get-Involved/Ways-You-Can-Get-Involved.aspx
North Koreans are taught to hate Americans from young children on up. Please let them know what you are like and as the page says "These letters expressing our hopes and dreams for the people of North Korea are a powerful way to introduce to the North Koreans to what Americans are really like."
I found this on the web. I wish Peace and prosperity to all the people of the world. I know many people here feel the same way, so I posted this URL here. Please use common cents, since the North Korean government has nuclear weapons. The government of North Korea is threatening war.
[/url]http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57580211/translating-north-koreas-rhetorical-rage/]http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57580211/translating-north-koreas-rhetorical-rage/[/url]
Hyeonseo Lee: My escape from North Korea
North Korean prisoner escaped after 23 brutal years
Please Help The Oppressed,
http://www.nkfreedom.org/Get-Involved/Ways-You-Can-Get-Involved.aspx
North Koreans are taught to hate Americans from young children on up. Please let them know what you are like and as the page says "These letters expressing our hopes and dreams for the people of North Korea are a powerful way to introduce to the North Koreans to what Americans are really like."
I found this on the web. I wish Peace and prosperity to all the people of the world. I know many people here feel the same way, so I posted this URL here. Please use common cents, since the North Korean government has nuclear weapons. The government of North Korea is threatening war.
[/url]http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57580211/translating-north-koreas-rhetorical-rage/]http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57580211/translating-north-koreas-rhetorical-rage/[/url]
Hyeonseo Lee: My escape from North Korea
North Korean prisoner escaped after 23 brutal years
Please Help The Oppressed,
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General / The government of The United States of America no longer exists legally!!!
« on: March 10, 2013, 10:21:40 PM »
Do you think the following is true. Please comment.
The government of The United States of America no longer exists legally!!!
The government of The United States of America's government is legally defined in the constitution. The present government of the US no longer follows the constitution. As defined by the constitution of the USA. The US is now run by criminals! I do not know a good name for the new government we have, but it is not the government of “The United States of America” by definition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCUzHnVeI10
The government of The United States of America no longer exists legally!!!
The government of The United States of America's government is legally defined in the constitution. The present government of the US no longer follows the constitution. As defined by the constitution of the USA. The US is now run by criminals! I do not know a good name for the new government we have, but it is not the government of “The United States of America” by definition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCUzHnVeI10
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General / Four short need to know points that are tubuku to talk about.
« on: January 22, 2013, 08:50:15 PM »
Four main points.
Start at the beginning, to be sure to understand the first points so you will be able to identify the things in the last point for what they really are. Example of the last point will follow.
1. Evolution takes place in areas outside of biological evolution.
2. Evolution produces amazing results without a top down designer or small sets of designers.
If we took this into account, much better results could be produced in many different areas such as economics, science, product development, product production processes, and others.
3. Most religions are groups of ideas that have gone through the evolutionary process for thousands of years. The only test in the environment for them is will the participants keep the ideas, and will they be passed to other participants, so that the ideas continue to survive? The ideas are either not well tested or are un-testable against reality. Simply put, religions are wishful-thinking, and B.S. that have gone though the evolutionary process.
4. Through evolution today's religions have developed strong protection mechanisms. These mechanisms have came about in today's religions so they did not die out to another religions, or belief systems. However, they also divide people, and cause mistrust and conflict. These mechanisms even shut out talk of evolution. They cause hatred, and in some places violence against people like me, and others when we talk openly about our ideas.
Here are a few examples of protection mechanisms that were written down that are “designed” to keep the present religion system of the participants intact and protect it from being replaced. These ideas have been tested on others and modified, retested and modified many times. I hope you will see them for what they really are protection mechanisms that are either untestable or not tested against object reality.
From the Hadith (used by many Muslums):
Bukhari (84:64-65) -"Allah's Apostle: 'During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.'"
From the Bible.
Exodus 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.
Deuteronomy 5:7 You shall have none other gods before me.
Matthew 7: 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Psalms 53:1 The fool has said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that does good.
John 12:48 "He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day.”
Now below you will find addition information to conciser.
Economics.
In countries that have mostly free-market economics.
Businesses, investors, and workers compete to serve their customers.
Businesses concepts and careers are tried in the market place.
The unsuccessful businesses and careers "die out" and change.
Others are successful.
Those that a successful expand their operations and/or are copied by others.
The process brings about all kinds of products and services never thought of before.
It has complex changing structure of production with no top down designer.
It is a successfully "designed" and "organized" economy serving buyers, and creating great amounts of wealth.
"I, Pencil: The Movie"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYO3tOqDISE
Science:
One group of ideas, consistent of ideas are tested against reality and are passed along increasing our knowledge; this group of knowledge is continually tested though observation against what we believe to be true about our world again and again.
Other:
"The Evolution of Religion"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S58MsCtbVuI
"Dawkins on the evolutionary advantage of religious belief"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S58MsCtbVuI
Start at the beginning, to be sure to understand the first points so you will be able to identify the things in the last point for what they really are. Example of the last point will follow.
1. Evolution takes place in areas outside of biological evolution.
2. Evolution produces amazing results without a top down designer or small sets of designers.
If we took this into account, much better results could be produced in many different areas such as economics, science, product development, product production processes, and others.
3. Most religions are groups of ideas that have gone through the evolutionary process for thousands of years. The only test in the environment for them is will the participants keep the ideas, and will they be passed to other participants, so that the ideas continue to survive? The ideas are either not well tested or are un-testable against reality. Simply put, religions are wishful-thinking, and B.S. that have gone though the evolutionary process.
4. Through evolution today's religions have developed strong protection mechanisms. These mechanisms have came about in today's religions so they did not die out to another religions, or belief systems. However, they also divide people, and cause mistrust and conflict. These mechanisms even shut out talk of evolution. They cause hatred, and in some places violence against people like me, and others when we talk openly about our ideas.
Here are a few examples of protection mechanisms that were written down that are “designed” to keep the present religion system of the participants intact and protect it from being replaced. These ideas have been tested on others and modified, retested and modified many times. I hope you will see them for what they really are protection mechanisms that are either untestable or not tested against object reality.
From the Hadith (used by many Muslums):
Bukhari (84:64-65) -"Allah's Apostle: 'During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.'"
From the Bible.
Exodus 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.
Deuteronomy 5:7 You shall have none other gods before me.
Matthew 7: 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Psalms 53:1 The fool has said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that does good.
John 12:48 "He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day.”
Now below you will find addition information to conciser.
Economics.
In countries that have mostly free-market economics.
Businesses, investors, and workers compete to serve their customers.
Businesses concepts and careers are tried in the market place.
The unsuccessful businesses and careers "die out" and change.
Others are successful.
Those that a successful expand their operations and/or are copied by others.
The process brings about all kinds of products and services never thought of before.
It has complex changing structure of production with no top down designer.
It is a successfully "designed" and "organized" economy serving buyers, and creating great amounts of wealth.
"I, Pencil: The Movie"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYO3tOqDISE
Science:
One group of ideas, consistent of ideas are tested against reality and are passed along increasing our knowledge; this group of knowledge is continually tested though observation against what we believe to be true about our world again and again.
Other:
"The Evolution of Religion"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S58MsCtbVuI
"Dawkins on the evolutionary advantage of religious belief"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S58MsCtbVuI