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General / Re: Anyone know of any Libertarian Bands
« on: November 09, 2006, 03:31:37 AM »
Ted Nugent and the Damn Yankees!

Ted Nugent is totally NOT libertarian....  I used to think that too.  It turns out his pro-freedom stance starts and ends with guns....  I'll look for a link...  It's been awhile.

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The Polling Pit / Re: Mark is a Nihilist, What are you?
« on: November 09, 2006, 03:21:14 AM »
So if theism must include deities than ESP, astral projection, spirit guides, reincarnation etc. can all be included in an "atheistic" worldview.....   That's what's getting me here.  I think these are all very theistic though not necessarily deistic.  If there's no difference than why different words?


Or in other words, Buddha is a guide and teacher who points the way to 'the highest happiness'. That works.

Yeah dude.  Buddhism is like taoism that way.  But they are both included in theology so why not theism?



edit:  FYI....  Buddha also has been quoted as saying "I and the father are one" same as Jesus did but no one accuses Buddha of implying that he is a Zeuslike man on the mountain god taking human form. 

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The Polling Pit / Re: Mark is a Nihilist, What are you?
« on: November 09, 2006, 03:12:30 AM »
hahaha that's great... http://www.wordinfo.info/words/index/info/view_unit/2136/?letter=T&spage=4

derived from the same word as THEORY. THEOREM. THEORETICAL.

Almost like an ancient joke passed down and hidden in language to pat agnostics on the back.

I knew it.  It's too coincidental to be a coincidence.  This is fun....  I like words.

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The Polling Pit / Re: Mark is a Nihilist, What are you?
« on: November 09, 2006, 03:09:54 AM »
Buddhists don't necessarily believe in a deity...  Unless you consider Buddha himself a deity.

I got different results for derivations.  Theoria for theory...  Theo/Theokratia for theocracy.  I can't prove it but I bet they have a common root previous to greek.

Where does that put taoism?   Is taoism atheist?  It's aDeist for sure but do deist and theist mean the same?

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The Polling Pit / Re: Mark is a Nihilist, What are you?
« on: November 09, 2006, 02:49:06 AM »
Theology is about religion.  Not deities.  For example buddhism, taoism and other spiritual philosophies would be included in a study of theology whether or not they include deities.  So strictly I'd think that a/theist wouldn't be w/ w/o deities but w/ w/o religion.  That would put Buddhism on the theism side and leave atheism for those that that don't believe in any sort of theology.

edit: Dictionary.com says that the root theo has to do with deities as does theism but theology does not necessarily.  Merriam-Webster says that theism is not just the belief in deity but a creator of humanity.  The free dictionary says that theism includes a "supernatural power" but adds "control human destiny".    Admittedly I haven't found a definition of "theism" that includes buddhism but I have found a definition of theology that includes buddhism.  I think if theology fits than theism must even if no one has written it down.

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The Polling Pit / Re: Mark is a Nihilist, What are you?
« on: November 09, 2006, 01:48:49 AM »
There was a 14 min interval...  Are you calling me stupid?  I read just fine.  I also fried an egg at the same time.  As far as what you said.  I noticed both had a #2 beside them.  It implies that you think they are equally legitimate terms.  Alas, they are now because people are stupid.  I don't like it though.  It confuses things.  Agnostic has always been a big tent.  Now both atheist AND agnostic are big overlapping tents.  Both words are less accurate for it.

edit: Agnostic is probably no less precise.  Atheist definitely is.

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The Polling Pit / Re: Mark is a Nihilist, What are you?
« on: November 09, 2006, 01:36:12 AM »
I see the scale of secularism slides like so

1. STRONG ATHEIST

2. WEAK ATHEIST
2. STRONG AGNOSTIC

3. WEAK AGNOSTIC

4. AGNOSTIC THEIST


Wikipedia can say whatever it wants....  Doesn't change the fact that atheist used to mean an affirmative belief in the non-existence of god and somewhere along the line people got it all fucked up and now many agnostics call themselves atheists because somewhere along the line they got called out about not being able to prove a negative but didn't want to lose their atheist badge so they changed the meaning of the word.

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The Polling Pit / Re: Mark is a Nihilist, What are you?
« on: November 09, 2006, 01:11:53 AM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strong_agnosticism

Strong agnosticism, then, equates to weak atheism.  If you assert that we can't know whether or not there is a god, then you do not believe in a god and therefore are a weak atheist. 

That's retarded.  This is a perfect illustration of how the word atheist got all fucked up.   Strong agnostics are exactly that....agnostic.  If you think that makes them atheists than that's because your totally unaware that atheism is supposed to mean an affirmative belief in the non-existence of god.  Atheists started backpeddling on that when they realized that would make atheism a religion.  So guess what all you atheists out there who do not have an affirmative belief in the non-existence of god.....  You're agnostic.

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General / Re: Which ALD Denomination/Type Works Best?
« on: October 19, 2006, 12:06:24 AM »
Newbie speeking, I don't understand how you use the liberty dollars. Do the denominations on the coins somehow translate into US currency? Don't they retain value as the USD goes down? How do you keep track? Why would I want USD in change for Liberty Dollars?

Someone help.

You use them by convincing someone to exchange their goods/services for your liberty dollars. 

The denomination on the coin does not translate into US dollars though they would like you to believe that they do and change the denomination of the liberty dollar as Federal Reserve Notes decrease in value, for a fee.  (My one and HUGE complaint about those fraudulent fucktards).  It would be easier on everyone if they called it what it is.

You keep track by knowing the current price of silver and keeping in mind that minting/storing/shipping liberty dollars isn't free (for that I'd add about 18-25% until they come under more common usage or get better competition)

Ideally, you wouldn't want USD in change for liberty dollars but they don't make liberty nickels and dimes.

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General / Re: Libertarian Club
« on: October 09, 2006, 09:33:11 PM »
I was wondering if anyone had a good set of rescourses (spelling?) for trying to start up a high school club devoted to the Libertarian mindset. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks alot

National Youth Rights Association

Start a Political Science Club In Your High School


Resources:
http://www.dictionary.com
http://www.spellcheck.net

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General / Re: Tower of Babel
« on: October 05, 2006, 03:32:33 AM »
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General / Re: Fight censorship RIGHT NOW
« on: October 03, 2006, 01:30:45 PM »
Wow.  I was utterly disgusted by what I read in their editable text.  That they are being FORCED to pay for that!  Now that is obscene.

The only problem I might have with "using their tool against them" is that are you sure they don't send some other (non-editable) text in addition to the editable text in the email message?  If that is the case you'd be sending a mixed message I suppose.  That just might be me being paranoid about their tool though.

I've never thought of that.  It could happen.  I've been using this tactic for a couple of years though and I don't hink I'll stop.  I enjoy the irony too much. 

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General / Re: Lauren
« on: September 28, 2006, 09:40:15 AM »
Dunno, look at that darkish smudge behind the muzzle. I wouldn't think a decent photographer would have a dead spot like that in the lighting

The flag doesn't cast a shadow, and there seems to be a good deal more artifacting around it than around her body and gun.  Fake (but who cares?)!

The flag's shadow is the smudge.  Look at the shadow coming off the left heel and see that it is the same angle.  Also, she's an amplifier.  I bet her money's not fake.

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General / Re: Liberty Dollar Question
« on: September 19, 2006, 01:30:25 AM »
  Due to this similiarity, however, this can have negative ramifications, particularly that the use of the word dollar can allow unscrupulous people (aka federal agents of all stripes) to claim the money is counterfeit or defrauding the "real thing."

A....  Silver as currency is good.  Obviously it is advantageous to package that silver in a convenient and easily recognizable form (minting) and that is going to cost something.

2) If it's not an attempt to imply an even exchange with FRN's then why change the 1oz coin from $10 to $20 when the price of silver went above $10?

All you people with the "think of it as foreign currency" line....riddle me that.

Hmm. Someone should ask Mark about this. He's a marketing guy after all. In my experience so far, some people get it and others don't.

In my experience it is the job of marketing guys to believe their own BS.  If you want objective information the LAST thing you should do is ask a marketing guy.  I've done very well selling a product I believed in and I've done entirely average selling a product I had some reservations about.  I could not sell Ice to Eskimos because I'm naturally honest.  I don't make my living in marketing.

About 50% of people seem to realize the difference, while about 50% don't (at least not enough).
Is this consistent for others, or is this just me?

I bet 99% of people would get it if you just told them the straight truth.....  I want to trade you 1oz of minted silver for xxx goods/services.  The only reason to make it any more difficult is to put something over on them such as convincing them that 1oz of minted silver is worth 20 dollars.

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General / Re: Using Minted Bullion as Currency
« on: September 16, 2006, 02:58:44 PM »
2x the real value?  Are they really that expensive to mint?  If so I'd say there's got to be a better way.  Either a better way to mint them or a better way to use silver as money.  This is why I'm not a fan of the liberty dollar.  Putting a currency denomination is walking a pretty fine line with the truth.  If they just had the weight I would be much happier.  I could explain that minting and distribution costs money but if I try to explain about the implied to comparison the the FRN a discerning person can't help but find it a little fishy because I do.

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