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General / Re: Drama in the Free State
« on: August 08, 2010, 10:05:15 PM »
I think Drifter's point about going to D is important here. Yeah, you ought to be free to do all the dumb things you're doing, but how are you convincing people that a free society is in their interest if the only preview you give is doing wildly unpopular stunts? What about the illegal manicure? That was badass, and should be more of a model.

And by what measure are these stunts "wildly unpopular"?

Because of people trolling local newspaper's website?

Shouldn't the goal be to show people that these "wildly unpopular" activities aren't hurting anyone?  Every day they are out there smoking pot, and the only time there is every any trouble is when the cops come start some.  It's going to start dispelling some myths about prohibition.

General / Re: Drama in the Free State
« on: August 08, 2010, 12:31:14 AM »
I've tried being diplomatic and respectful, and it's like calmly reasoning with a 3-year old why he shouldn't smear shit on the walls. Sometimes you gotta pick the kid up, yell "NO!" in his face, and slap his hand, else you're gonna have a stinky house.

Sounds like something a bureaucrat might say about enforcing a law.

Personally, I think that engaging in politics is going to make the job of convincing people of the evil of the state a much harder task than it already is (in other words, that what you are doing is counter-productive).  But bitching and whining to you about it isn't going to change your mind, and is going to do little more than alienating an ideological ally.  Instead, how about treating the people you disagree with with respect instead of name-calling?  If what they are doing doesn't work, they won't think that you are a complete jerk when they give it up. 

If politics does work, great!  I certainly don't claim to know what the best way is to create a voluntary society....because it's never been done!  You should stop acting like you know how it is going to come about too.

Act and treat your neighbors with compassion and respect, even if you disagree with what they are doing.  It sets a good example for other people you are trying to persuade to act in a similar manner.  When you tell people that they should respect their neighbors choices, and you are constantly pissing and moaning about your neighbor's choice on your free state blog, it sends a mixed message, and it's hypocritical.

Incidentally, I'm one of the cowardly "stay under the radar" types that don't engage in either.

General / Re: Drama in the Free State
« on: August 07, 2010, 07:42:56 PM »

You're out there telling people that we should be free to do as we please...and yet you have so much rage inside about what other people DO WITH THAT FREEDOM.

It's easier to convince people of something if you act like you believe it yourself.  It doesn't seem to me like you are at all ready for a free society.  In a free society, not everyone will wear a suit and tie...it doesn't seem like you are ready to deal with that.  Try to have the same love and compassion for people that we need people who believe in the state to have.

The Israeli government hurts innocent people.  Hamas hurts innocent people.

General / Re: Double Your AMP Challenge
« on: June 17, 2010, 12:48:36 AM »
I'm in if 10 people are in

we have this nice agreement by just about all parties in the region (Israel, Egypt, PA), not just the eeeveeel Zionists, that the blockade is a required measure.

Governments aren't the only parties in the region.  There are individuals there too.  And I bet they don't all agree.  Even within the countries you listed.

General / Re: Open-borders is not pro-liberty
« on: June 11, 2010, 09:01:53 PM »

How do you intend to pay for the enforcement of your borders?

Excellent clarification of the real question here.  My answer is yes, I can force you not to give gifts to someone who is throwing explosives in the general vicinity of my home.

The people who are getting the fishing poles are not necessarily the people who are shooting the rockets.

If you can prove to me that aI e preventing trade between peaceful people.
Look, I agree that it seems stupid that they won't let fishing poles across the border, I'm not a blind robot that simply parrots opinions.  But at the same time I am also saying that what the item is doesn't really matter.  The terrorist "government" of Gaza put themselves into a state of war with their neighbor.  Hamas did that.  So now everyone in Gaza gets to live with their government's decisions.  And that shit really sucks.  If Hamas could go away tomorrow and just dissappear into obscurity I'm sure Gaza's conditions would improve vastly.  If Hamas would put down the RPG's, or simply move to Iran (where they seem to be getting most of their backing from), then regular Gazan folks could live better lives, as well as Israeli folks.

So lets focus on how to get rid of Hamas, or at least how to neuter Hamas effectively, instead of hating on Israel.

this thread is about how the government of Israel stole ships from people.  So no, I won't stop hating on the government of Israel.

Start a thread on how members of Hamas attack and kill innocent people, and I'll hate on Hamas there.  You are trying to excuse the government of Israel's attacks on innocent people by pointing Hamas' attacks on OTHER innocent people.

Hamas and the state of Israel are both evil an both should be condemned

Excellent clarification of the real question here.  My answer is yes, I can force you not to give gifts to someone who is throwing explosives in the general vicinity of my home.

The people who are getting the fishing poles are not necessarily the people who are shooting the rockets.

If you can prove to me that an individual shot a rocket at innocent people, then I'd probably agree with you.  But you can't prove that the people getting the fishing rods are the people shooting the rockets.  You are therefore preventing trade between peaceful people.

General / Re: Drama in the Free State
« on: May 27, 2010, 11:09:37 AM »
It's clear as day to me that Mike Barskey -- the guy who got kicked out of Murphy's Taproom and cheated on someone's wife (or whatever the hell that drama was) -- and Russ Kanning have made an extra effort to be really obnoxious to Merle, Babiarz, and other people in town who are basically libertarian.

No, THEY went out of their way to be douchebags.  THEY CAME ONTO MIKE'S PROPERTY.  Remember the NAP?

EDIT: After watching the video I really don't see how Mike "went out of his way" to be obnoxious to the people who came onto his property without his permission.

General / Re: Drama in the Free State
« on: May 16, 2010, 01:44:01 PM »
Dennis, if you ever start having real political success, the statists are going to come out of the wordwork to complain about how you are destroying society too.

The only reason they aren't is because YOU AREN'T SUCCEEDING.

Civil disobedience has led to the de-facto freedom to smoke cannabis in Keene's Central Square   Every day they are showing the people of Keene that cannabis can be consumed peacefully and responsibly, contradicting what they've been taught.

Let me know when the law catches up :not holding breath:

Also, you sound like a crybaby

General / Re: Nut crashes stolen plane into IRS building in TX
« on: March 04, 2010, 11:36:50 AM »
The idea that someone coerced into handing money over to a violent organization somehow makes him responsible for how that money is spent if f***ing ridiculous blackie.

General / Re: Denis Goddard is pissed
« on: December 25, 2009, 11:28:10 PM »
I don't think I suggested that most did.

General / Re: Denis Goddard is pissed
« on: December 24, 2009, 11:21:47 PM »
Keep it up Civ' Dis'ers

Dennis, as wrong as you think they are, and as much as you think they are setting the liberty movement back, they think the same about you and about politics.  I do as well.  The longer you and your ilk try to use politics, the longer it is going to take until people start waking up to the fact that politics will fail to achieve liberty.  All the time, effort, and money spent on politics is flushed down the drain, IMO.

But I am positive that getting all pissy about it isn't going to change your minds.  Liberty means being OK with people doing their own thing.

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