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General / NEED HELP!

« on: September 09, 2006, 10:35:40 AM »

A person I talk with on an internet forum, who is a hardcore conservative, but who recently has indicated some interest in learning more about libertarian and free marketeer ideas, replied when I asked him if I could send him "Why government Doesn't Work", said he would rather that I emailed him something.

So what should I email this person.  I always second guess myself when it comes to these sort of "you get one shot to convince me, but I'll be open-minded".  What do you guys think?

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General / Re: A must for libertarians!

« on: September 08, 2006, 12:27:06 AM »

nm i found it

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General / Re: A must for libertarians!

« on: September 08, 2006, 12:13:37 AM »

I didn't see the XML for this book.

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General / Re: Liberty Dollar Question

« on: September 06, 2006, 03:36:58 PM »

I don't think I was clear.

I wasn't asking, "Why use Liberty Dollars instead of FRN's?"  I was asking "Why use Liberty Dollars instead of actual silver coins?"

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General / Re: Liberty Dollar Question

« on: September 06, 2006, 12:55:00 PM »

The other question is...why would I pay $20 for one ounce of silver?

I have one ounce silver eagles at home....why would I spend an extra 6-7 bucks for a piece of paper?

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General / Liberty Dollar Question

« on: September 06, 2006, 11:28:36 AM »

Ok, so I am interested in liberty dollars and was browsing the website.

I have a question though.  A $20 bill (which costs $20) is only worth one ounce of silver?  I understand that exchange rates vary, but am I going to have to explain to everyone I try to give this too that it is really only worth...what...$13 or so in silver?

I am a bit confused.

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The Polling Pit / Re: DO RIGHTS EXIST?

« on: August 19, 2006, 12:05:37 PM »

communism is based on the collective (joint) ownership of the means of production (land, labor, capital)

where you are restricted in use by having to get prior permission from all the other owners or their delegated authority.

what I argue for is private ownership of capital and the return on capital (economic profits)

Same thing, since the government owns the land, the government necessarily controls what is on the land.

There is no practical difference between collective ownership and individual ownership HELD collectively.  Either way the gubmint controls it all.

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The Polling Pit / Re: DO RIGHTS EXIST?

« on: August 19, 2006, 01:52:29 AM »

the best we can do is this - no matter where anyone else chooses to exist those being excluded (whether they legally occupy land or not) will not economically disadvantage me (tax my labor).

No, I think I'll just shoot your tax collectors if they come on my property.  As producers, my fellows and I will be far better armed than your army of hobos, and we will have the advantage of defense.  I like my odds.

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The Polling Pit / Re: DO RIGHTS EXIST?

« on: August 17, 2006, 08:13:09 PM »

in otherwords no rules (voluntary or otherwise) but the law of the jungle...

if I voluntarily consent to a rule and then am judged (by whom?) to be in violation yet don't consent - it is law of the jungle time.

Do you think that the world does not work this way?  Do "rights" magically jump out and stop people from harming you or something?

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The Polling Pit / Re: DO RIGHTS EXIST?

« on: August 17, 2006, 07:02:12 PM »

A right refers to something to which one is entitled. Even when your rights are violated (such as when someone assaults you or steals your things) you still retain the entitlement to those things.

You are just chaning the word right to entitlemen, but making the xact same argumentt.  In what way are you entitled to somehting if you do not have it?

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General / Re: Looking for libertarian parents

« on: August 13, 2006, 12:51:14 AM »

I liked the adventures of Jonathan gullible.  I think it would be better in a couple of years (9/10 maybe) but keep in in mind.

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The Polling Pit / Re: DO RIGHTS EXIST?

« on: August 12, 2006, 11:40:59 AM »

A right can be violated, but it cannot be taken away. The moment someone infringes on the rights of another, that person has stated that he does not accept the concept of rights. Since he does not accept rights, his own may be violated. A person can only give up their own rights, and does so through their actions.

That is just wordplay.  If someone can violate your rights, in what sense do you actually have them?  If I am taking your property, for example, in what sense do you have a "rihgt" to property.

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The Polling Pit / Re: DO RIGHTS EXIST?

« on: August 12, 2006, 12:35:56 AM »

no government can ever force you to hold your tongue (until they figure out some drug or medical procedure to do so) no matter how many laws they pass, they can only provide a strong incentive through physical coersion to do so...

Sure they can...they can kill you.

They can cut out you tongue

They can gag you or put a muzzle on you.

They can burn out the part of your brain that controls language.

You don't have a right to free speech if your free speech can be stopped.  Hell, I could stop you if I was motivated enough and was willing to suffer the consequences (I'm not on either count)

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General / Re: San Diego Local Group Beach BBQ (8/5/06)

« on: July 22, 2006, 03:56:36 AM »

dude, i'm fuckin drunk

But Im down.  I'm an SD wannabe freestater..(still tryin' ta figure out if I wanna go...and convince my wife.)

I'll let you know about the BBQ....maybe I can geta couple of buddies to come too.

Fuck commiefornia.  Income and sales taxes are bullshit man.