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The Polling Pit / Re: Voting
« on: April 12, 2007, 08:44:14 PM »
Just like stealing from innocent people to mitigate hunger is wrong...using force against innocent people to mitigate government is wrong.

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The Polling Pit / Re: Voting
« on: April 12, 2007, 05:45:39 PM »
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Permitting slavery to proceed unmitigated is almost as much the problem as slavery itself.

Wow.

Is permitting hunger almost as much of a problem as starving someone?  I guess people who don't feed the hungry should get almost as much jail time as people who actively take food from people and starve them.

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The Polling Pit / Re: Voting
« on: April 12, 2007, 04:58:54 PM »
How is a bunch of people who want to leave you free to run your life part of the problem of people trying to run your life?

These are the people who just want to live their own lives and leave everyone else alone.  They are not the problem.  The people who want ro run other people's lives (voters) are the problem.

At any rate, no matter what their reasons for not voting, they are innocent and voters are aggressing against them by voting.

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The Polling Pit / Re: Voting
« on: April 12, 2007, 04:50:18 PM »
No....the 70% of people in this country who don't vote.

Those innocent people.

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The Polling Pit / Re: Voting
« on: April 12, 2007, 04:44:14 PM »
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I'm going to aim for results

And I am telling you that your "going for results" is using force against innocent people, which is the opposite of the "results" you are trying to obtain.

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The Polling Pit / Re: Voting
« on: April 12, 2007, 04:16:43 PM »
Ah.  It's easier to do it that way.

That's what socialists say too....it's too hard to convince people to voluntarily contribute money to this or that cause.  So let's force them to.

I don't care what the easy way is.  If we don't have principles we are no better than our enemies.


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The Polling Pit / Re: Voting
« on: April 12, 2007, 04:10:51 PM »
I'm not sure I understand what you mean?

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The Show / Re: Is it possible to be completely government free?
« on: April 12, 2007, 04:05:09 PM »
I don't think you can be free of government, simply because in some small way, government will affect you.  Butterfly effect and everything.

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The Polling Pit / Re: Voting
« on: April 12, 2007, 04:03:53 PM »
And that is why the country is in the shape it is in now.

Terrible things happen when people say, "My way at any cost".

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The Show / Re: Is it possible to be completely government free?
« on: April 12, 2007, 03:54:21 PM »
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Yep, anarchy is a hoax and a distraction.

What do you mean?

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General / Re: The Alliance of the Libertarian Left
« on: April 12, 2007, 03:50:06 PM »
It sounds to me like they are trying to seperate themselves from the left by calling themselves the "libertarian" left

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The Polling Pit / Re: Voting
« on: April 12, 2007, 02:22:36 PM »
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and somehow making it so everyone is responsible for something that one person does.

I never said everyone is (and I never would).  I said that the people that knowingly and willfully empower people to take action are partly responsible for those actions (and the actor is responsible as well of course).

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The Polling Pit / Re: Voting
« on: April 12, 2007, 02:19:02 PM »
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I can't vote for the question as worded.  "Are you responsible" too strongly covers individual responsibility; "are you partly responsible" or the like would more clearly articulate the concept of shared responsibility.

True, though I think you meant the question as worded conveyed "sole" responsibility.  I didn't intend it to mean that and have changed the wording (and have allowed people to change their votes.

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The Polling Pit / Re: Voting
« on: April 12, 2007, 01:51:36 PM »
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Yes, he absolutely does.  He is the commander in chief of the armed forces.  He's in charge of the entire operation, unfortunately.  He's also trigger-happy.

So, even though George Bush never actually ordered any person to be killed (that we know of of course), he shares responsibility?  Is it because he knows that his orders will LEAD to deaths?

How is that HE is responsible for those deaths, but the voter that puts a politician into power is not responsible, for example, the theft that pays the politicians paycheck, when the voter knows very well will lead to just this happening?

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If you vote someone in to office, you did not give them explicit permission to act in your name either.  You gave them permission to uphold the ideals and values they claimed they would.  You can't control whether or not those ideals and values change.


This is nothing more than willful ignorance.  We both know very well that power corrupts, and that people that get power use it to their advantage.  To use the excuse "Well, how was I supposed to know he wouldn't uphold his campaign promises!" is about the thinnest cover there is.  Bush might as well be shocked to learn that his orders to invade Iraq led to the deaths of Iraqis.

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The Polling Pit / Re: Voting
« on: April 12, 2007, 01:08:20 PM »
Sorry lindsey, cross edit.

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