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General / Re: Free Audiobook: "The Market for Liberty"
« on: February 07, 2008, 02:00:33 AM »
Ian you should probably add a link to the PDF of the book somewhere: http://www.mises.org/books/marketforliberty.pdf

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The Polling Pit / Re: FSP opinions.
« on: February 07, 2008, 01:42:49 AM »
So do I. I believe that you should start the topic. No, no...I insist.

My goal is a genuinely free society. I believe step number one in achieving that goal is increasing the percentage of liberty activists. The FSP, even though by no means perfect, and perhaps having too high of goal (20k), I think is the best chance for accomplishing step number one.

Which points do you disagree with?

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The Polling Pit / Re: FSP opinions.
« on: February 07, 2008, 01:06:02 AM »
An AK-47 works very simply, actually. Pop the mag in, of course you have to tilt it a bit first, but after a couple of tries...hell, even a kid can use it. The kids in Africa can, at least.

So how does one go about using a AK-47 to create a free society?

I just cannot accept an excuse for the FSP intentions, I am sorry.

Why would the FSP intentions need to be excused?

I do believe we've covered this somewhere before.

Well I don't remember it and I find it an interesting and fruitful topic.

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The Polling Pit / Re: FSP opinions.
« on: February 07, 2008, 12:40:26 AM »
I'm funnier, Mobile.

Oh was that what that was? I just thought it was stupid.

Quote from: Mobile Target
So do you have an argument for where that place is?
Yaop. Starts with the letters AK and ends with 47.

So how does that work exactly?

Quote from: Mojo Piglet
You know, understanding issues like Anarcho-Capitalism and Libertarianism is important. Theory dictates action.
Then in this case, you have only nine thousand, nine hundred and ninety eight more theories to interpret until you get to the "action" part.

I disagree that understanding anarcho-capitalism or libertarianism is all that difficult. I was a libertarian after listening to FTL for a few months. Arguing about these issues is hardly a waste of time.

Good luck with everything. Please be sure to let me know how it -oh, nevermind. I'll just "expect you", shall I? Might be a while? ;)

It's just mean and stupid.


Good job trying to make fun of my handle.

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General / Re: Digg! >> Of Primary States, Ron Paul Does Best in NH at 8%
« on: February 07, 2008, 12:27:52 AM »
The American Revolution is a great example of the ability of people to live free. There is no reason why we cannot repeat this.
The British didn't have nukes.
So we are relegated to our current political systems and governments simply because nuclear weapons have become accessible?
You can't fight an oppressor that has one without one.

Why not?

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General / Re: Digg! >> Of Primary States, Ron Paul Does Best in NH at 8%
« on: February 06, 2008, 11:54:24 PM »
The American Revolution is a great example of the ability of people to live free. There is no reason why we cannot repeat this.
The British didn't have nukes.

So we are relegated to our current political systems and governments simply because nuclear weapons have become accessible?

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The Polling Pit / Re: FSP opinions.
« on: February 06, 2008, 11:51:04 PM »
Lobbyists? LOL. They sure stopped that smoking ban.

I don't think a lobbyist is someone that is elected.

Also, comparing today's number of elected libertarians with the amount of influence they have been able to muster to 5 dozen and implying that 5 dozen would not have a significant effect (be able to "shut down the statists entirely" as Denis put it) is absurd.


I've always thought the Free State Project is pretty much the best shot at gaining liberty in our lifetimes...
Yeah...you're new, aren't you? Give it time. No, seriously. A couple years ago there was like...3 less people, and now it's just growing out of control. Hold on. It's coming. No, wait. Yeah, OK. Yeah, we just got this in: there's a rumor about a guy who was evicted in Tulsa and he's looking for a....wait. Oh, damn. Lost another one.

If you're going to make fun of the FSP why don't you share what you think is more effective.

If When the FSP fails...
Uh, lemme help you there.

I don't know, it still might reach 20k.

...it seems like no where else is going to improve in terms of liberty...
"And this is why you fail", said Yoda.

So do you have an argument for where that place is?

Soon you will be pondering the ten thousand varieties of anarchy and tempting anneurisms while offhandedly regurgitating slogans that mean absolutely nothing and having battles of whit that even the special olympics would have a slightly tough time keeping up with.

You know, understanding issues like anarcho-capitalism and libertarianism is important. Theory dictates action.

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The Polling Pit / Re: FSP opinions.
« on: February 06, 2008, 11:27:05 PM »
What do you think of Denis Goddard's prediction:
We need 4-5 dozen more libertarians or libertarian-leaning people in the State House to shut down the Statists entirely.
They have to get elected first.

He elaborates on that:

We need 2-3 dozen more libertarians or libertarian-leaning people in the State House to shut down the Statists entirely.
That ought to be entirely plausible once a few thousand people have moved to NH, right?

For this particular strategy, we don't need a few thousand.
It sure helps, but it certainly doesn't guarantee anything.

What this strategy needs are 4-5 dozen people (assuming half of them never get elected, for whatever reason)
These need to be people who:
1) are able to be at the State House 3 days a week, from 8AM to 4PM, with (basically) no pay
2) when they move to NH, volunteer in the community -- food bank, animal shelter, library, stuff like that
3) not be raging assholes. keep their mouth shut and listen to people, at least as much as they talk. not advocate killing cops. no start talking about legalizing crack cocaine and prostitution, at least not until a lot of their neighbors have come to realize that the person and the ideas are not crackpot

That's 3 hard hurdles to clear. But there are people like that in-state already, and more on the way.
Most of the people like that in-state failed to get elected in 2006 because they ran as Republicans. There was huge backlash against the Iraq war, and people voted (D) because they were pissed off with the (R) brand.

In 2007 we eliminated straight-ticket voting, so that should help somewhat.

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General / Re: Digg! >> Of Primary States, Ron Paul Does Best in NH at 8%
« on: February 06, 2008, 11:25:24 PM »
If the First 1000 fails, what then?

Even if no one shows up for the First 1000 I still want a free society and I think concentrating liberty activists is crucial to making that a reality. I have not heard of a better chance than the FSP to achieve that.

If it completely stalls and all chance of liberty seems grim then I would retire to the freest place and live free there, provided that is profitable.

I am optimistic toward the future of liberty. I do believe change can be enacted. The American Revolution is a great example of the ability of people to live free. There is no reason why we cannot repeat this.

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The Polling Pit / Re: FSP opinions.
« on: February 06, 2008, 11:11:23 PM »
What do you think of Denis Goddard's prediction:

We need 4-5 dozen more libertarians or libertarian-leaning people in the State House to shut down the Statists entirely.

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General / Re: Digg! >> Of Primary States, Ron Paul Does Best in NH at 8%
« on: February 06, 2008, 11:02:47 PM »
What about all those who have had time to move since Oct 2006?

Hopefully they are still coming by this year.

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The Polling Pit / Re: FSP opinions.
« on: February 06, 2008, 10:13:16 PM »
Not enough people.

How many people do you think it would take?

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The Polling Pit / Re: FSP opinions.
« on: February 06, 2008, 10:04:21 PM »
Do you accept that the FSP is the best chance for a free society in our lifetime?
I don't believe state-wide takeover plans will work.

Why not?

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General / Re: Digg! >> Of Primary States, Ron Paul Does Best in NH at 8%
« on: February 06, 2008, 06:52:39 PM »
I understand, but there's no huge influx of any of those 1000. What are they gonna do, show up at the last minute?

It's only been a month. I'm planning on moving at the end of this year.

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The Polling Pit / Re: FSP opinions.
« on: February 06, 2008, 06:47:34 PM »
Anyway, I'll move to Nevada 'cause it's freer right now. It also snows less.

Do you accept that the FSP is the best chance for a free society in our lifetime?

The climate seems to be increasing freedom in NV, while NH has been losing more and more of the special things it had every legislative session.

Different states serve different goals.

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