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General / Re: Ron Paul's FSP Endorsement on Wikipedia
« on: February 12, 2008, 03:45:10 PM »I can't stand mediocrity or centrism. Either I love something or I don't. I can't just AMP a small amount like normal people, and I just don't feel the same way about FSP / FTL as I used to...
Come on, FTL is a great investment for liberty!
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General / Re: Ron Paul's FSP Endorsement on Wikipedia
« on: February 12, 2008, 03:14:48 PM »
When are you going to start AMPing again?
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General / Re: Ron Paul's FSP Endorsement on Wikipedia
« on: February 12, 2008, 04:06:06 AM »I like just being a lurker in some things... I've been a lurker on this BBS for a while before signing up a year and a half ago too...
How long were you a lurker?
I registered just a few days after subscribing to Free Talk Live. I thought it was a good show. I didn't post or go back until after listening to FTL for a few months though.
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General / Re: Ron Paul's FSP Endorsement on Wikipedia
« on: February 10, 2008, 11:45:16 PM »(And, no, I will not edit anonymously. I'll wait until the weight of missing out on countless 1000s of things I could have contributed to Wikipedia overwhelms them and they publicly apologize. Yes sir, any day now...)
Ah, come on. You know you want to.
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General / Ron Paul's FSP Endorsement on Wikipedia
« on: February 10, 2008, 07:25:05 PM »
Someone should add Ron Paul's endorsement of the Free State Project to his main Wikipedia page so that more people will learn of it.
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The Polling Pit / Re: Adults acting like children
« on: February 10, 2008, 07:16:34 PM »gonna get bioshock. ive seen it in stores for about $60, but amazon has it for about $30.
I'll mail you my copy for $25. Box is in good shape, I only played the game once. Are you interested?
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General / Re: BlogAd for FTL on bluehampshire.com
« on: February 08, 2008, 04:11:28 PM »
Sweet. Can you track how many people click it?
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General / Re: Help support candidates supported by Ron Paul
« on: February 08, 2008, 03:22:44 PM »
It seems like a smaller amount would have a better chance of getting pledges.
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The Polling Pit / Re: FSP opinions.
« on: February 08, 2008, 02:35:29 PM »According to Denis Goddard 60 people could entirely shutdown the statists in NH.Denis Goddard is just an FSP douch trying to recruit people to move to NH.
That doesn't mean he's wrong.
No it failed. The FSP is over. It can't succeed.The FSP failed back in 2004.So if it does result in a free society, will it have both failed and succeeded?
If NH gets a free society, it will not be a result of the FSP.
Get over it.
I don't understand your incredible certainty. This anti-FSPism is the true religion seated at this discussion.
Pretty much. The FTP people pissed off a bunch of people in town.Does it outweigh the difference?I think Grafton has a higher than normal percentage of FSP members. So it hasn't totally failed.It also has a higher than normal percentage of FSP haters.
I know I won't vote for any of them, or anything they would like to pass. Fuck them.
How could everything they would like to pass be bad?
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General / Re: Help support candidates supported by Ron Paul
« on: February 08, 2008, 01:53:30 PM »
Do they really think I can afford $100 for 2 people when I only gave $110 to Ron Paul for president?
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The Polling Pit / Re: Adults acting like children
« on: February 08, 2008, 01:38:05 PM »
I don't have a problem with having fun.
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The Polling Pit / Re: Adults acting like children
« on: February 08, 2008, 01:32:31 PM »
I wasn't impressed with Bioshock.
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The Polling Pit / Re: FSP opinions.
« on: February 08, 2008, 01:28:23 PM »Damnit, Digit. If you're gonna construct a series of points using some arcane magickal formula shaken with a mix of poor grammar, you should at least not use the words 'my point', singular in the god forsaken sentence!!!!1!
I think you are mistaken.
And, fuck me sideways, point 3 is just -forget it. No way. I won't, I can't accept point 3.
So why don't you offer some arguments about why it's wrong instead of simply declaring you won't accept it?
Your model for success assumes time is not critical because the FSP has very poor history accumulating adequate numbers to suit your goal before the population is disarmed and dragged off to prison camps. Sorry. I mean, pleasant safety relocation havens.
The FSP is less than a decade old. Forgive me for taking your hyperbole with a ton of salt.
You are constantly fighting an uphill battle. With this will be an increasing amount of pressure from active maneuvers aimed at continuing the current goals which include instituting a police state takeover.
According to Denis Goddard 60 people could entirely shutdown the statists in NH.
Doesn't seem like such an impossible goal to me.
The time for talk has ended, it is no longer free. The time to act is now. If you want to change this tyrannous government, then mobilize a fighting force or shut the hell up already.
Government is an idea.
Attacking an institution that exists only because people believe it is legitimate is absurdly useless.
I don't have a moral problem with violence against government, but I do have a problem with completely useless activity.
Why don't you try striking at the root instead of at the limbs?
Why do you think that you always fail? It is because your enemy is one step ahead of you. Right at this very moment, average citizens are being classified as "domestic terrorists" for committing even the most mundane crimes, we're talking about having a spool of speaker wire in the trunk of your car kind of ridiculous, here. As TIME passes, while some continue to fight with words and picket signs, the path toward revolution is being buried by increased gestapo tactics and brutal efforts aimed at the civilian populace. Let's be completely honest, folks. Your enemy us not stupid. They know very well what an uprising would do, they know that guerilla warfare is a no-win situation. And when your non-violent plan fails, when you have less than a precarious chance of victory, it will be far too late, as the moment has passed. All hopes for a free society will be forever lost due to a few thousand timid spirits who could not accept reality.
Absolute moronic bullshit spouted from the depths of paranoia, fear, and ignorance.
The truth is liberty is ripe for the picking. The minds of men are growing more complex, and ignorance is ceding to reason. Liberty is inevitable.
Time, ladies and gentlemen, is NOT on your side. It truly is a commodity which is quickly running out.
Time is on no one's side.
Goddard, by "fighting force" I mean a well armed and prepared militia. I mean utilizing the application of force against tyranny.
Tyranny is a byproduct of the illogic of the idea of government. Fighting it achieves nothing in the end.
And I am not building an army, I merely suggested this rational, yet radical logical solution for the current problem.
Sorry, it is neither rational nor logical. It is a consequence of a faulty understanding of the problem at hand, and blames the proximate cause for the ultimate cause's problems.
I just don't see any point in discussing the futile attempt of trying to change the system by voting and picketing.
Yes, I can see how if one dismisses ideas out of hand because of preconcieved notions one would be led to this conclusion.
Sure, you can vote for the privilege of raising a militia, but it is counterproductive and doesn't make any sense. What I proposed to discuss is the actual action required to overthrow tyranny, not semantics and blind faith in democracy.
Your inability to grasp how one may successfully utilize the system at hand demonstrates your failure as a thinking individual.
If you want true freedom in this lifetime, or any other for that matter -you must be willing to spill some blood.
Certainly I am. But your ill-conceived reasoning of what works and why leads you down a path of absolute insanity.
Freedoms are sufferable, you cannot expect others to get out of your way simply because you claim to have moral superiority or just cause, without backing your proposal with the intention of force. Dictatorships and mobs do not part way for fanciful slogans and peaceful picketing. End of story.
Dismissing ideas is no way to get to the truth.
The FSP failed back in 2004.
So if it does result in a free society, will it have both failed and succeeded?
I think Grafton has a higher than normal percentage of FSP members. So it hasn't totally failed.It also has a higher than normal percentage of FSP haters.
Does it outweigh the difference?
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General / Re: Digg! >> Of Primary States, Ron Paul Does Best in NH at 8%
« on: February 08, 2008, 01:06:57 PM »I'm glad to see some intelligent debate around here MD, but I would give up trying to get any sense out of that guy. It is clear that his primary motivation for discussion is not clear objective reasoning and debate.
I disagree. I don't think he has dodged any question I've asked so far.
I find his reasoning very intellectually stimulating.
Use logic.You can't fight an oppressor that has one without one.Why not?
Alright, here is the logic for why one can:
1. There exists no magical boundary between nuclear weapons and conventional weapons. Both are weapons with varying degrees of damage causing ability.
2. A man without a gun still possesses the ability to kill a man with a gun, by outsmarting his opponent.
3. Thus the oppressed can still fight and win against the oppressors, even if the oppressors possess nuclear weapons.
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The Polling Pit / Re: FSP opinions.
« on: February 07, 2008, 02:20:07 AM »Well, you only gave me ONE point. And, I disagree with the entire... point.
Actually I gave an argument constructed of 3 points:
1. Goal: Free society.
2. Step number one in achieving that goal: increasing the percentage of liberty activists.
3. The FSP has the best chance of fulfilling #2.
Your model for success is inherantly flawed, both in logic and in primer. It assumes that time is not critical, that an abundance of time is present; this is not realistic nor wise to accept.
How does my model for success assume time is not critical?