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General / Re: Need Some Smoking Ban Help
« on: January 11, 2007, 08:50:23 AM »
Here's my reply. I decided over the top sarcasm was my mood this evening, rather than reasoned rebuttal. The Todd and Jerry comment is an homage to a complaint form the same jackass a few months ago.
You've got an obligation to live the way in which you please.  Anybody who wants to establish cadres is allowed to, I guess, but the club owner is also allow to just get rid of these people.

The problem in this case, as with many clubs, is that it is collectively owned by the members. To join, you pay an initiation fee, and then monthly dues. It has a board of eight members that is elected every three years to make these kind of rules.

I am thinking about bringing a formal complaint (to the club, not to the state) that this guy threatened violence against me by encouraging everyone to rat us out to the state, employing the "gun in the room" argument that has been discussed at length recently.

General / Re: Need Some Smoking Ban Help
« on: January 10, 2007, 07:52:00 PM »
Here's my reply. I decided over the top sarcasm was my mood this evening, rather than reasoned rebuttal. The Todd and Jerry comment is an homage to a complaint form the same jackass a few months ago.

a) Post the attached sign at the front entrance. You will find it posted at my place of business as well.

b) Distribute uniforms to all members for wearing on premises. An armband would probably suffice.

c) Require members to pledge allegiance to the flag of Ohio as they enter the building. Perhaps we could also institute a hand gesture of some kind indicating one's loyalty to the state.

d) Perhaps we could cut out the middle man altogether. Why let the government do our dirty work for us? One could simply hold a gun to the head of anyone found displaying signs of nonconformity. If they do not pay the fine, just pull the trigger. I am sure Todd and Jerry would not mind cleaning up the mess, since they do not have anything better to do than to work on their five iron.

I could make suggestions well into the night, but I will leave it at this.

General / Re: No Smoking Sign
« on: January 10, 2007, 04:16:37 PM »
Here's what I have so far, thanks to MasterShake.

General / Need Some Smoking Ban Help
« on: January 10, 2007, 01:16:00 PM »
Background: I belong to a local private club here in Ohio, where a smoking ban was just enacted. There has been an injunction filed against it for the time being until the legislature finalizes the specifics of the regulations and fines associated with it. I managed to strong-arm the board into continuing to allow smoking in the men's grill room until such time as these specifics are finalized, since I pay for not only my membership but for several of my employees as well.

Now I have to deal with jackasses like this guy, who send around messages like the one I will copy here. If any of you have any free time on your hands today, maybe you could post some clever replies. It is a little like shooting fish in a barrel, but it would be nice to just smack the hammer down in a very decisive manner. Enjoy.

I hope everyone had a very merry Christmas and a happy and safe New Year.
>It has been a while since I felt the need to write to all KCC members.  I
>have tried to just sit back and let the board of directors run the place
>without my help.  Ha Ha.  But, after receiving my bill this month and seeing
>the letter concerning smoking, I just have to speak up.
>It's a sad day when our board of directors decides to allow KCC to openly
>break the law in order to satisfy a very few members of KCC.  Over the past
>three years I may not have voted for all 9 board members but in this last
>election I did vote for all three of the new members.  I thought they were
>the strong leaders that would not allow our country club to lower itself to
>Spanky's.  (For all I know maybe Spank's is obeying the law, I have heard
>that Kissners is.)
>I will tell all KCC members, we were to dinner last night at Charlie's Down
>Under and had an excellent meal as usual.  Pete Lunberg told me his sales
>went up almost 20% when he took the plunge to completely non-smoking.  That
>was before there was an Ohio State Law prohibiting smoking in public places.
>So I guess I would like to ask all board members this question.  WHAT PART
>I would encourage every KCC member to report KCC every time you walk in and
>there is smoking going on inside KCC.  I would also encourage every KCC
>member to forward this e-mail or create your own and send it to every board
>member.  Maybe if we all unite against the blatant act our board will start
>to represent the majority of members rather than a select few.
>If I were a board member, I would be more afraid of an employee who is
>against smoking suing KCC for subjecting them to second hand smoke when
>there is a state law on the books prohibiting it. 
>I could go on well into the night on this subject, but I will leave it at

General / Re: No Smoking Sign
« on: January 05, 2007, 11:01:56 AM »
I appreciate your thoughts, Metroid. I concur that the concept of the corporation is by its nature corrupt. The problem is that you cannot engage in private "business" with anyone in this country over time without the government eventually executing you if they find out. How many stories do we read about little girls with their lemonade stands getting shut down.

Doug Stanhope has a hilarious and true clip on his website that goes something like this: "They say you give a man a fish, he eats for a day. If you teach a man to fish... then he has to get a fishing license, then he has to get himself put into the social security system..."

General / Re: No Smoking Sign
« on: December 28, 2006, 11:49:50 AM »
I havent read this whole topic, so maybe someone has said this already.

But I say if you wanna give a middle finger to the state, don't put up any sign and let people smoke in your restaurant if you want too.

When the state comes to fine you, tell them it's your business and if you wanna let people smoke in it it's your own damn decision.

There is an extent to which I would recommend this strategy to a restaurant owner, but they have made it too expensive. The fines are $2500 per day for extended disobedience.

Fortunately for me, I am not actually in a business where customers come into my building, so it's not like the ban is going to affect revenues directly. We will continue to smoke in the building, since there is security to keep health inspectors from coming in unannounced. We will have to put the sign outside, though, because they are also going to be fining for that as well.

General / Re: No Smoking Sign
« on: December 26, 2006, 10:10:10 AM »
Here's a No Smoking sign I made...


I enjoy that concept a great deal. Thanks for sharing.

General / Re: No Smoking Sign
« on: November 27, 2006, 04:23:26 PM »
Yeah, I'm more interested in having people see something clever that will stick with them and maybe think about the fact that they have created a sick society that has no concept of property rights. It would also be nice to be able to pass out such signs to other businesses to use as well.

General / Re: No Smoking Sign
« on: November 27, 2006, 01:44:29 PM »

I kind of like the bureaucrash slogan, "Smoking is healthier than fascism."

Another take might be, "Your fascism kills more babies than my tobacco."

General / Re: No Smoking Sign
« on: November 27, 2006, 12:17:50 PM »
Luckily not. We are an account-receivables management firm. Other than the fact that I installed an air filtration system and walk-in humidor in my office this year, my business is not directly affected.

General / Re: No Smoking Sign
« on: November 27, 2006, 10:59:19 AM »
We're working on doing just that, though we will have to maintain a presence here to service our Ohio clients.

General / No Smoking Sign
« on: November 27, 2006, 10:40:45 AM »
So here in the fascist state of Ohio, I am required to place signs on my building indicating a) that smoking is prohibited and b) the health department number to report violations.

Are there any imaginative people out there with good ideas for a sign that complies with the regulation but also gives a nice big middle finger to the state?

General / Wolves - Sheep Voting Cartoon?
« on: October 30, 2006, 09:13:55 AM »
I would love to find a cartoon illustrating the principle that democracy democracy is a sheep and a pack of wolves voting on what to eat for dinner. Does anyone have one or would someone with some artistic talent like to draw one?

The Polling Pit / Re: The 6 types of Libertarians, which are you?
« on: July 22, 2006, 02:31:00 PM »
I was just listening to Friday's show and heard Manwich make the claim that those agreeing with him outnumber those agreeing with Ian by twenty times. He even referenced this poll as evidence.

I would like to point out that under 50% of the poll-takers made one of the two statist choices.

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