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The Polling Pit / Re: 311 the most Libertarian mainstream band
« on: January 17, 2007, 01:17:51 PM »
I'll quote an over-quoted Rush song that promotes Libertarian views:
The Trees
There is unrest in the forest,
There is trouble with the trees,
For the maples want more sunlight
And the oaks ignore their pleas.
The trouble with the maples,
(And they're quite convinced they're right)
They say the oaks are just too lofty
And they grab up all the light.
But the oaks can't help their feelings
If they like the way they're made.
And they wonder why the maples
Can't be happy in their shade.
There is trouble in the forest,
And the creatures all have fled,
As the maples scream "Oppression!"
And the oaks just shake their heads
So the maples formed a union
And demanded equal rights.
"The oaks are just too greedy;
We will make them give us light."
Now there's no more oak oppression,
For they passed a noble law,
And the trees are all kept equal
By hatchet, axe, and saw.
Anti authority doesn't equal Libertarian, so far as I'm concerned. Libertarian music should, if written out of a anger, identify and strike at the source of the issues, not just complain about the injustice of it all. Rush has always been good at this. 311 seems to be a bunch of pissing and moaning about problems, which is fine, but not my cup of tea and only half of the equation.
The Trees
There is unrest in the forest,
There is trouble with the trees,
For the maples want more sunlight
And the oaks ignore their pleas.
The trouble with the maples,
(And they're quite convinced they're right)
They say the oaks are just too lofty
And they grab up all the light.
But the oaks can't help their feelings
If they like the way they're made.
And they wonder why the maples
Can't be happy in their shade.
There is trouble in the forest,
And the creatures all have fled,
As the maples scream "Oppression!"
And the oaks just shake their heads
So the maples formed a union
And demanded equal rights.
"The oaks are just too greedy;
We will make them give us light."
Now there's no more oak oppression,
For they passed a noble law,
And the trees are all kept equal
By hatchet, axe, and saw.
Anti authority doesn't equal Libertarian, so far as I'm concerned. Libertarian music should, if written out of a anger, identify and strike at the source of the issues, not just complain about the injustice of it all. Rush has always been good at this. 311 seems to be a bunch of pissing and moaning about problems, which is fine, but not my cup of tea and only half of the equation.
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General / Re: What's the point of the NHFee.com'ers getting arrested all the time?
« on: December 20, 2006, 08:29:18 PM »Criminal trespass, and later, refusal to be fingerprinted.
I stand corrected.
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The Polling Pit / Re: Is the Government monitoring this board?
« on: December 20, 2006, 07:08:50 PM »
Point of information - "Pot smoking Republicans" Is what they think, not what I think.
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General / Re: What's the point of the NHFee.com'ers getting arrested all the time?
« on: December 20, 2006, 07:02:57 PM »
I understood that she was hit for "Vagrancy" ? I'm not sure. I thought they were accusing her of being a squatter.
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The Polling Pit / Re: FSP with Conspiracy Theorists?
« on: December 20, 2006, 02:29:05 PM »[Removed +13 alphabetic rotation cipher]
Please stop. Please. You really really bore the rest of us. No one cares about the lizard people who rule the world but you. Just go to your little conventions, wear your fifty dollar shield hats that make you feel safer than aluminum foil because they cost you fifty bucks, and spare the rest of us your nonsensical garbage unless you actually have something to add to the cause of freedom. (Like taking some sort of action, for instance.) Go to the back of the room and be grateful we let you hang around for chips + dip.
OK, fine. I didn't come here to evangelize on the 9/11 issue, far from it. I just made the mistake of adding my two cents from time to time. I think I'll stop doing that because it's hopeless, polarized between shallow demagogues on both popular sides of the question. What I've come to understand, deep down in my mind, will always stay with me, especially the unambiguous things like Putin's triggers for war in Chechnya. But if I have to choose between the Free State Project and unpopular government-sponsored terrorism investigation movements, I'll choose FSP any day of the week! There is light in the end of the FSP tunnel. I would just really, really hate to see this light extinguished by government's most likely solution to the FSP if it ever goes far enough: blowing up some government buildings in NH and blaming it on the radical Free Staters. This is the only reason why I still care about the matter, and, having said that, I see no reason for me to revisit the issue in the future.
That is a very rational and reasonable response. I hope you understand my little comment was meant partly in good humor. It's just that... We KNOW they're bad. and we KNOW they will do whatever they can get away with to find the means to their ends. It's just that sensationalism detracts from the bigger picture. So please, believe what you want, say what you want, and I'll have your back, but man, keep the "Crazy talk! Crazy talk!" as down low as you can. Even if it ain't so crazy.
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General / Re: New Name for the Libertarian Party
« on: December 20, 2006, 02:20:49 PM »
Dems a lot of quotes goin'round.
I think it's a mistake to rename the party.
Libertarian is a piss poor name, no doubt. It causes confusion. However, the alternative is much worse.
I guarantee you that if a movement starts to change the name of the Libertarian party, a counter movement will start as well.
Do you guys really want to have two Libertarian parties, separated only by name?
How will that clear up confusion? I'll tell you how... It won't.
I sympathize with the need to understand why the freedom movement is so lethargic, but getting lost in the mental masturbation of debating name changes is just a very time consuming and complex way to avoid the issue.
The issue is this:
People aren't getting the message. That's it. They aren't getting it, or they don't want it.
I hate that this is so. I don't know how to change it. It certainly isn't redesigning a sales pitch. Apply this logic to libertarians who are afraid to confront hot button issues like abortion and drug laws as well. They are sellouts who will compromise to get a broken version of the pro freedom message out.
Lets stick with the sucky Libertarian word and worry about the damn message.
I think it's a mistake to rename the party.
Libertarian is a piss poor name, no doubt. It causes confusion. However, the alternative is much worse.
I guarantee you that if a movement starts to change the name of the Libertarian party, a counter movement will start as well.
Do you guys really want to have two Libertarian parties, separated only by name?
How will that clear up confusion? I'll tell you how... It won't.
I sympathize with the need to understand why the freedom movement is so lethargic, but getting lost in the mental masturbation of debating name changes is just a very time consuming and complex way to avoid the issue.
The issue is this:
People aren't getting the message. That's it. They aren't getting it, or they don't want it.
I hate that this is so. I don't know how to change it. It certainly isn't redesigning a sales pitch. Apply this logic to libertarians who are afraid to confront hot button issues like abortion and drug laws as well. They are sellouts who will compromise to get a broken version of the pro freedom message out.
Lets stick with the sucky Libertarian word and worry about the damn message.
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General / Re: College Libertarian Group needs a Name
« on: December 20, 2006, 01:46:48 PM »
Monty Python Reference Ad Nauseum
People's Front Of Libertarianism
Libertarian People's Front
Front Of Libertarianist Peoples
People's Front Of Libertarianism
Libertarian People's Front
Front Of Libertarianist Peoples
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The Polling Pit / Re: FSP with Conspiracy Theorists?
« on: December 20, 2006, 01:17:50 PM »
Every group of people has their set of kooks to deal with. I mean, to most people, we're the kooks. Do people really care if us kooks have a subset of even kookier kooks hanging out with us? The solution is simple, push our kooks to the back of the room, just like the right wing kooks hide their bible thumpers, and the left wing kooks hide their Animal Liberation Front/PETA folks.
Lesson learned: Hide your kooks.
Secret message for the conspiracy folks:
Cyrnfr fgbc. Cyrnfr. Lbh ernyyl ernyyl ober gur erfg bs hf. Ab bar pnerf nobhg gur yvmneq crbcyr jub ehyr gur jbeyq ohg lbh. Whfg tb gb lbhe yvggyr pbairagvbaf, jrne lbhe svsgl qbyyne fuvryq ungf gung znxr lbh srry fnsre guna nyhzvahz sbvy orpnhfr gurl pbfg lbh svsgl ohpxf, naq fcner gur erfg bs hf lbhe abafrafvpny tneontr hayrff lbh npghnyyl unir fbzrguvat gb nqq gb gur pnhfr bs serrqbz. (Yvxr gnxvat fbzr fbeg bs npgvba, sbe vafgnapr.) Tb gb gur onpx bs gur ebbz naq or tengrshy jr yrg lbh unat nebhaq sbe puvcf + qvc.
Oh, and Fnord. For whatever it's worth.
Lesson learned: Hide your kooks.
Secret message for the conspiracy folks:
Cyrnfr fgbc. Cyrnfr. Lbh ernyyl ernyyl ober gur erfg bs hf. Ab bar pnerf nobhg gur yvmneq crbcyr jub ehyr gur jbeyq ohg lbh. Whfg tb gb lbhe yvggyr pbairagvbaf, jrne lbhe svsgl qbyyne fuvryq ungf gung znxr lbh srry fnsre guna nyhzvahz sbvy orpnhfr gurl pbfg lbh svsgl ohpxf, naq fcner gur erfg bs hf lbhe abafrafvpny tneontr hayrff lbh npghnyyl unir fbzrguvat gb nqq gb gur pnhfr bs serrqbz. (Yvxr gnxvat fbzr fbeg bs npgvba, sbe vafgnapr.) Tb gb gur onpx bs gur ebbz naq or tengrshy jr yrg lbh unat nebhaq sbe puvcf + qvc.
Oh, and Fnord. For whatever it's worth.