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General / Re: Moderator Changes
« on: October 23, 2011, 03:57:37 PM »
It is unfortunate that there are so many inter-personal conflicts amongst the moderation staff here. Personally, to me, you all seem like really nice people who have gotten under each others skin in various ways. It is bound to happen in real life, and even more bound to happen with assertive and opinionated people such as we are.
If it is possible to put all that aside and just focus all efforts towards making this community a more enjoyable place for FTL listeners, I am sure the site usage will once again increase. Of course, I believe this will require people to show respect for people they may not personally care for... if for nothing other than the goal of working together to get this place jump started again.
If it is possible to put all that aside and just focus all efforts towards making this community a more enjoyable place for FTL listeners, I am sure the site usage will once again increase. Of course, I believe this will require people to show respect for people they may not personally care for... if for nothing other than the goal of working together to get this place jump started again.
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General / Re: Moderator Changes
« on: October 21, 2011, 12:56:22 AM »Shaw wrote that though, not Ian, right?
Yes.
Well done, sir. I think you modeled it quite well.
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General / Re: Moderator Changes
« on: October 21, 2011, 12:43:06 AM »No, Brasky, you didn't as me. Not once.
The policy was about a day old. I tested it and was Rubber-Roomed by my next visit. It wasn't a big deal then, it isn't now.
And yes, I do understand. Do you recall me saying that I run a BBS myself? I'm the 2nd owner, it's been up since the 90's. It's had seasons of success. It is a model community of like minded people with similar goals. Everyone is polite, there are occasional flare-ups that are dealt with as well as the usual problem of spam and whatnot.
Even considering all of those positives- traffic has dropped drastically. That sucks. But it's more of a personal loss as opposed to a financial one for me, as that BBS has never accepted advertising (I get offers weekly) - not even a loss really as many members have simply rejoined on facebook.
Bullshit. The "policy" has been in effect for years. Its just that we were all on tenderhooks because every asshole with two fingers spent their time worming around it, and bitching to Ian every time someone got banned.
If you admit you were labeled as "racist", and obviously Dragline was spending every day skirting the edge, how is it even a fucking question?
The policy, the one that was about a day old, that I was referring to is the word filter.
I don't even remember why I was labeled racist, but it certainly wasn't because I'd used a naughty word.Well, it isn't my forum, it is Ian's. I just volunteer my time to help him.
What do you mean by reverse racism? Like someone calling a white person a cracker? I would say that qualifies as bigotry.
I think that qualifies as well. It's central to this whole ruckus going on right now, unfortunately.
As a person who speaks fluent legaleeze, I think Ian worded the new policy particularly well:
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F. Chronic expressions of direct abuse toward a collective ethnic group of people will not be tolerated. If you collectivize a group of people by their genotype and make directly negative comments about said group you are treading thin ice. The determination of the words “Ethnic group” and “Chronic” shall be left to the discretion of the moderators.
This allows for discussion of pretty much anything but prohibits the "dragline" pandering that is distasteful, disrespectful, and detracts from the professionalism of the business/community.
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General / Re: Moderator Changes
« on: October 21, 2011, 12:37:33 AM »Highline is now a moderator.
Good.
Well thanks guys.
Perhaps we could all bring our heads together in a private forum where we could discuss how we could improve the community as a whole?
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General / Re: Moderator Changes
« on: October 21, 2011, 12:30:45 AM »Example: Dragline was in the #LRN chat and was tossing the n-word around in every 4th or 5th sentence. He was also throwing in an occasional Jewish insult. During this time, a new LRN listener was in the room... from Ghana.
Yeah, that's the guy I banned and caused this delayed shitstorm with.
This whole thing was about me banning that guy.
Don't even get me started bro.
I don't know if the FTL BBS and the LRN.fm chatroom are exactly the same thing. Here, conversations can be read from a long time ago... the crowd also seems to be fairly constant. In the LRN.fm chat, lots of transients come through. First impression is an important thing and as LRN.fm is a business (one that wants to sell ads to advertisers) that requires listeners... I think it is more important to ensure that rules be a little stricter in the chat so that new people who come to listen to the audio have a good taste in their mouth. Does that make sense?
This is what I have been trying to do there... and I haven't heard any negative feedback from Ian or Johnson. I am sure if they disagreed with my direction of moderation, they would say something.
... and if they did, I would change to what they wanted.
Here we get a lot of "guests", they can be seen browsing the forum. Very few join. And lots of people have left.
Personally, I believe it's because the most current posts are often heavily argumentative.I don't know if the FTL BBS and the LRN.fm chatroom are exactly the same thing. Here, conversations can be read from a long time ago... the crowd also seems to be fairly constant. In the LRN.fm chat, lots of transients come through. First impression is an important thing and as LRN.fm is a business (one that wants to sell ads to advertisers) that requires listeners...
All true apart from the fact that the BBS could be used for the same purpose and with similar levels of success if not for the fact of its current reputation, you know?
Very good points.
I just think that racist rhetoric is like violent rhetoric... something that we who believe in liberty and peace shouldn't want anywhere near us. Just my .02.
Highline - how is reverse racism handled at your forum?
Well, it isn't my forum, it is Ian's. I just volunteer my time to help him.
What do you mean by reverse racism? Like someone calling a white person a cracker? I would say that qualifies as bigotry.
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General / Re: Moderator Changes
« on: October 21, 2011, 12:15:14 AM »Example: Dragline was in the #LRN chat and was tossing the n-word around in every 4th or 5th sentence. He was also throwing in an occasional Jewish insult. During this time, a new LRN listener was in the room... from Ghana.
Yeah, that's the guy I banned and caused this delayed shitstorm with.
This whole thing was about me banning that guy.
Don't even get me started bro.
I don't know if the FTL BBS and the LRN.fm chatroom are exactly the same thing. Here, conversations can be read from a long time ago... the crowd also seems to be fairly constant. In the LRN.fm chat, lots of transients come through. First impression is an important thing and as LRN.fm is a business (one that wants to sell ads to advertisers) that requires listeners... I think it is more important to ensure that rules be a little stricter in the chat so that new people who come to listen to the audio have a good taste in their mouth. Does that make sense?
This is what I have been trying to do there... and I haven't heard any negative feedback from Ian or Johnson. I am sure if they disagreed with my direction of moderation, they would say something.
... and if they did, I would change to what they wanted.
Here we get a lot of "guests", they can be seen browsing the forum. Very few join. And lots of people have left.
Personally, I believe it's because the most current posts are often heavily argumentative.
I don't know if the FTL BBS and the LRN.fm chatroom are exactly the same thing. Here, conversations can be read from a long time ago... the crowd also seems to be fairly constant. In the LRN.fm chat, lots of transients come through. First impression is an important thing and as LRN.fm is a business (one that wants to sell ads to advertisers) that requires listeners...
All true apart from the fact that the BBS could be used for the same purpose and with similar levels of success if not for the fact of its current reputation, you know?
Very good points.
I just think that racist rhetoric is like violent rhetoric... something that we who believe in liberty and peace shouldn't want anywhere near us. Just my .02.
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General / Re: Moderator Changes
« on: October 21, 2011, 12:06:35 AM »Example: Dragline was in the #LRN chat and was tossing the n-word around in every 4th or 5th sentence. He was also throwing in an occasional Jewish insult. During this time, a new LRN listener was in the room... from Ghana.
Yeah, that's the guy I banned and caused this delayed shitstorm with.
This whole thing was about me banning that guy.
Don't even get me started bro.
I don't know if the FTL BBS and the LRN.fm chatroom are exactly the same thing. Here, conversations can be read from a long time ago... the crowd also seems to be fairly constant. In the LRN.fm chat, lots of transients come through. First impression is an important thing and as LRN.fm is a business (one that wants to sell ads to advertisers) that requires listeners... I think it is more important to ensure that rules be a little stricter in the chat so that new people who come to listen to the audio have a good taste in their mouth. Does that make sense?
This is what I have been trying to do there... and I haven't heard any negative feedback from Ian or Johnson. I am sure if they disagreed with my direction of moderation, they would say something.
... and if they did, I would change to what they wanted.
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General / Re: Moderator Changes
« on: October 21, 2011, 12:02:15 AM »
From my point of view (someone who considers Ian to be a friend and wants to help him spread the messages of liberty) I believe that moderation should be done in a manner that reflects professionally upon Ian's business.
Example: Dragline was in the #LRN chat and was tossing the n-word around in every 4th or 5th sentence. He was also throwing in an occasional Jewish insult. During this time, a new LRN listener was in the room... from Ghana. Now, I cannot say with certainty that the new listener was black, but I think it is safe to assume so. Dragline doing this is what caused me to ban him. (I've since unbanned him... a week later.) If nothing had been done and I was that fellow from Ghana, I would probably be thinking that LRN.fm is a group of racist a-holes from the USA. I privately messaged this guy and told him that I was sorry another chatter was behaving that way and that it was something that we certainly do not tolerate. Hopefully, that caused him to eliminate the fact that LRN.fm has anything to do with that type of behavior.
To LRN's new listener, in the chat listening to a LRN broadcast, I believe allowing this type of racist remarking comes off very unprofessional for LRN.fm. We are only as good as the bad conduct we allow others amongst us to get away with... and I for one believe strongly in the message of liberty, peace, and equality.
That's my take
Example: Dragline was in the #LRN chat and was tossing the n-word around in every 4th or 5th sentence. He was also throwing in an occasional Jewish insult. During this time, a new LRN listener was in the room... from Ghana. Now, I cannot say with certainty that the new listener was black, but I think it is safe to assume so. Dragline doing this is what caused me to ban him. (I've since unbanned him... a week later.) If nothing had been done and I was that fellow from Ghana, I would probably be thinking that LRN.fm is a group of racist a-holes from the USA. I privately messaged this guy and told him that I was sorry another chatter was behaving that way and that it was something that we certainly do not tolerate. Hopefully, that caused him to eliminate the fact that LRN.fm has anything to do with that type of behavior.
To LRN's new listener, in the chat listening to a LRN broadcast, I believe allowing this type of racist remarking comes off very unprofessional for LRN.fm. We are only as good as the bad conduct we allow others amongst us to get away with... and I for one believe strongly in the message of liberty, peace, and equality.
That's my take
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General / Re: Moderator Changes
« on: October 20, 2011, 11:47:04 PM »BJ is a quality dude. Nice choice.
I seen you here once or twice, and you always seem like you have your head straight. I don't know who you are, but you don't piss me off. Congrats on that.
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General / Re: Moderator Changes
« on: October 20, 2011, 10:59:06 PM »
As the #LRN lead-mod-dude, I have appointed BJ a +h in #LRN. BJ is always in the room and has been a loyal chatter for years.
We now have a full compliment of good people to keep the peace there. For some reason our trolling factor has increased ten-fold, as of late.
We now have a full compliment of good people to keep the peace there. For some reason our trolling factor has increased ten-fold, as of late.
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General / Re: Ian is Out of Jail
« on: October 06, 2011, 03:31:24 PM »
Given Ian's popularity in the liberty movement I'd suspect his early release is a tactical move designed to keep a large gathering from forming at the jail.
Just a guess.
Just a guess.
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General / Re: Jury Nullification
« on: October 02, 2011, 11:59:56 AM »Who can keep up with the laws......there are so many already and more on the way.
I've read the entirety of the New Hampshire RSA's, a majority of the US Code, and all of the federal rules of criminal/civil procedure.
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General / Re: Jury Nullification
« on: October 02, 2011, 11:52:51 AM »Heh Heh who can make judges enforce it? You have seen how they reacted to the Circuit Court ruling on filming. They ignored it.
I disagree that legally speaking they are ignoring the Glik case.
The Glik case can be compared to the Heller v. DC case. It expands rights in some situations... but not all. To say that Glik automatically overrules court rules in NH, ME, RI, and PR because of the decision would be like saying the intent of Heller was to immediately authorize the permitless carry of firearms in public in DC. In both cases that is not what the court was saying.
I believe that the courts are flagrantly ignoring the 1st and 2nd Amendment in both cases but in legal reality land you need to understand the system and intent of these rulings.
That was because it was not legally binding on them. An RSA would be. It's useful to know why the NH Legislature is called the 'General Court'
Denis is correct about it not being legally binding on them for the aforementioned reasons. I do disagree however that an RSA from the NH General Court would be legally binding on the courts insofar as it pertains to judicial function. Article 73-A and State v. LaFrance are pretty clear that the judicial branch can ignore laws passed that conflict with court rules.
The only way to reverse the camera ban in New Hampshire is to either repeal Article 73-A OR get Glik expanded through litigation in the federal district court. I think the Glik case has little chance of success to expand the recording rights to lobbies and clerks offices, but I think it has ZERO chance of being expanded to courtrooms. The federal judiciary is hugely anti-camera... and for them to impose a decision on themselves which will reverse their own anti-camera rules just defies common sense.
I think also the only way to get a jury nullification bill will be to repeal Article 73-A as well... as I wouldn't put it past the Supreme Court to institute a rule which defies the nullification bill on the grounds that it infringes on the judiciary's ability to dispense "justice" fairly.
............ says the non lawyer Brad.
