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The Polling Pit / Re: Lets play 'Karnak.'

« on: August 06, 2008, 07:28:47 AM »

If you think that machines can somehow possess the same qualities as a human brain, then why is it improbable to think that as with humans if it can attain controlling power that it won't?

That's assuming it will be a singular consciousness alone. Plus, even in the worse case situation such a consciousness will not be all powerful. Smash a few turbines or transformers in key locations across the world and you can black out 2/3's of the world's power grids. It doesn't take lasers or plasma rifles to fuck up a turbine either.

And you haven't given me a real motive as to why such a consciousness would need to attack or lash out. At worse, I believe it will act more like a teenager than a mass murderer (Honestly, I can't say which is worse sometimes...).

You are misguided, and I consider anyone working towards such a goal to be initiating force.

No, you're misguided as you want to disrupt the Pattern.

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The Polling Pit / Re: Lets play 'Karnak.'

« on: August 05, 2008, 11:57:40 PM »

If you think that machines can somehow possess the same qualities as a human brain, then why is it improbable to think that as with humans if it can attain controlling power that it won't?

That's assuming it will be a singular consciousness alone. Plus, even in the worse case situation such a consciousness will not be all powerful. Smash a few turbines or transformers in key locations across the world and you can black out 2/3's of the world's power grids. It doesn't take lasers or plasma rifles to fuck up a turbine either.

And you haven't given me a real motive as to why such a consciousness would need to attack or lash out. At worse, I believe it will act more like a teenager than a mass murderer (Honestly, I can't say which is worse sometimes...).

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The Polling Pit / Re: Lets play 'Karnak.'

« on: August 05, 2008, 11:05:12 PM »

If the singularity happens, I hope someone destroys it. It can only lead to enslavement.

Or evolution.

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The Polling Pit / Re: Lets play 'Karnak.'

« on: August 05, 2008, 10:42:12 PM »

I chose Clash of Fates and Technological Singularity. My reasoning is as follows: several significant discoveries in the natural sciences have happened in particular advancements in neurology and the  other life sciences. On top of that, two major social trends are indeed forming: ours and the neo-collectivists. This sets up a significant precedent not seen probably in thousands of years of recorded history (think real early Mesopotamia history...), so this won't be some easy clash either. I suspect at least one major change will happen: a new 'human' species will evolve due to whatever political, economic, and scientific wrangling that occurs. This species will decide the ultimate fate of itself and our current species. What I do see in the Pattern for this key event is that everything we know today will not exist as it does now. I do mean it, too. It will happen here in the United States only because the elements for social, scientific, and economic changes seem to be converging here for whatever reason. I suspect there are other forces at work, but nothing like what the conspiratards think. Personally, I think it's simply other folks like myself who can see the Pattern as well, but have their own designs for its shaping. They can't be happy with letting it unfold as it will, they wish to be gods, that's all I can guess so far. 

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The Polling Pit / Lets play 'Karnak.'

« on: August 05, 2008, 08:26:36 PM »

I thought this would be a nice game to play with respect to what we know and especially what we don't about the future. If you can come up with more options please offer them.

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General / Re: Explain the Idea that Taxation=Slavery

« on: August 05, 2008, 12:37:39 PM »

I have yet to see voting make a difference.

Then options 2, 3, and 4 might be useful for you.

If only I lived two to three hundred years.

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General / Re: Explain the Idea that Taxation=Slavery

« on: August 05, 2008, 11:07:40 AM »

I have yet to see voting make a difference.

Then options 2, 3, and 4 might be useful for you.

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General / Re: Explain the Idea that Taxation=Slavery

« on: August 05, 2008, 10:48:22 AM »

Do you enjoy faucets and toilets and garbage cans, any packaging whatsoever?

The vast majority of safety and standards testing is privately done. Inspectors are easily bought off by just about anyone. I should know I worked in a kitchen.

Do you make your own clothing?

Same as before, privately tested, inspected by inspectors easily bought off.
 

Were you born in a hospital?

I was born in a private hospital oddly enough. The majority of hospitals in the US are still privately held (by Catholic, Jewish, or Mormon organizations), so the majority of the US population was birthed on private property.

Consider the free state project, once they have all the people moved to New Hampshire, how exactly do they plan to change things? 

Here are the options:
1. Vote.
2. Get in office.
3. Cease collection of taxes.
4. Provide alternatives to state-held services and properties.
5. Ropes and Trees.

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The Polling Pit / Re: What is best in life?

« on: August 05, 2008, 10:35:42 AM »

<Conan> To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their women!</Conan>

The funny thing is: Genghis Khan is the one who stated that. O_O

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The Polling Pit / Re: Should I be allowed to say "wat"?

« on: August 05, 2008, 09:07:44 AM »

Yes, if you follow this key formula: as the degree of obfuscation increases per post the greater degree the wat shall increase proportionally.

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The Polling Pit / What is best in life?

« on: August 05, 2008, 07:57:31 AM »

It's just a random thought stuck in my head this morning.

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General / Re: Explain the Idea that Taxation=Slavery

« on: August 04, 2008, 06:06:40 PM »

Cyro, while I understand your underlying logic, the idea of a functioning society
is often one of compromise, and services we enjoy would not be paid if taxes
did not exist.

This is your more in-grained error: compromise. Do I compromise when I order a burger at McD's? Do I compromise when I find out when a movie theater will be open? Do I compromise when I ask for something and the other person or people offering me that something give me their requirements in kind? No. Compromise means literally giving up something you wanted for something you really did not. I don't compromise when I pay for products or services. And even if the product or service isn't exactly what I wanted, I often am allowed to state what I did want, and most likely what I want will be offered next time. There's no such thing as a real compromise in society, rather there are those that think they can have their cake and eat it too. Know the difference and you'll understand how the marketplace really works.

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General / Re: Explain the Idea that Taxation=Slavery

« on: August 04, 2008, 05:33:00 PM »

Taxation is a form of slavery since no mechanism is accepted by you to end the obligation to pay for them. Whether I live in the icy north or the sweltering equatorial regions, governments always stake claims to land they cannot truly defend. Also, governments by their existence suggest people do not believe they own their right of way (of use of land and common paths), even though common law often errs on the side of the individual and not the group for two reasons: the individual can labor to make the infrastructure(s) we all use and the individual can be held morally responsible for any and all transactions related to said infrastructure(s). The implications of such premises are two-fold: no one owns you and no one owes you anything in kind. This means the State cannot exist as a morally acceptable, nor economically feasible, instrument for which civilization can be maintained. Because when an organization like the State takes, by force, the resources necessary to maintain the infrastructure(s) it's 'charged' to provide and maintain it invariably consume more so the resources for its own survival and not that of its composing members for beneficial use.

If the State continues to exist as our technologies grow in demand for resources, I can promise you that a dark age unlike any of the others recorded will happen because of the added inefficiencies that the State provides, on top of its immorality. If you care about your future and that of your children's children, then consider the alternative of the Wisdom of the Crowds aka the Marketplace to ensure their survival, and yours.

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The Polling Pit / Re: What is your Religion

« on: August 04, 2008, 08:50:31 AM »

Other: I believe my peanut butter and jelly sandwiches are gods.

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General / Re: DNC Disruption 2008

« on: August 03, 2008, 09:08:42 PM »

Some how I read it as hit'n'nut job.