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The Show / Global Climate Change
« on: March 22, 2010, 09:03:22 PM »
So I called in about this tonight. My main points are that in order to understand the science that we need to see what the people doing the actual research are saying. Ziggy got it somewhat right when he followed after my call, in that scientists publish their research papers and other scientists try and falsify or verify those results. BUT, after the testing is done a majority trend can be seen and that's when we get consensus.

Here are some of the rebuttals to the objections that Mark and Ian brought up during my and Ziggy’s calls, taken from this webpage.


BTW, I'm not "sacred", I don't advocate government intervention, I just care about acurate information going out over the airwaves.

"It's the sun" In the last 35 years of global warming, the sun has shown a slight cooling trend. Sun and climate have been going in opposite directions.

 "Climate's changed before" Natural climate change in the past proves that climate is sensitive to an energy imbalance. If the planet accumulates heat, global temperatures will go up. Currently, CO2 is imposing an energy imbalance due to the enhanced greenhouse effect. Past climate change actually provides evidence for our climate's sensitivity to CO2.

"There is no consensus" That humans are causing global warming is the position of the Academies of Science from 19 countries plus many scientific organisations that study climate science. More specifically, 97% of climate scientists actively publishing climate papers endorse the consensus position.

"It's cooling" Empirical measurements of the Earth's heat content show the planet is still accumulating heat and global warming is still happening. Surface temperatures can show short term cooling when heat is exchanged between the atmosphere and the ocean, which has a much greater heat capacity than the air.

 "Ice age predicted in the 70s" 1970s ice age predictions were predominantly media based. The majority of peer reviewed research at the time predicted warming due to increasing CO2.

"Mars is warming" Martian climate is primarily driven by dust and albedo and there is little empirical evidence that Mars is showing long term warming.

"It's just a natural cycle" The 1500 year cycles, known as Dansgaard-Oeschger events, are localized to the northern hemisphere and accompanied with cooling in the southern hemisphere. In contrast, current global warming is occuring in both hemispheres and particularly throughout the world's oceans, indicating a significant energy imbalance.

"Other planets are warming" There are three fundamental flaws in the 'other planets are warming' argument. Not all planets in the solar system are warming. The sun has shown no long term trend since 1950 and in fact has shown a slight cooling trend in recent decades. There are explanations for why other planets are warming.

"Scientists can't even predict weather" Weather is chaotic, making prediction difficult. However, climate takes a long term view, averaging weather out over time. This removes the chaotic element, enabling climate models to successfully predict future climate change.

"Pluto is warming" Pluto's climate change over the last 14 years is likely a seasonal event. Pluto experiences drastic season changes due to an elliptical orbit (that takes 250 Earth years). Any Plutonian warming cannot be caused by solar variations as the sun has showed little to no long term trend over the past 50 years and sunlight at Pluto is 900 times weaker than it is at the Earth.

"Animals and plants can adapt to global warming" A large number of ancient mass extinction events have been strongly linked to global climate change. Because current climate change is so rapid, the way species typically adapt (eg - migration) is, in most cases, simply not be possible. Global change is simply too pervasive and occurring too rapidly.

"Humans are too insignificant to affect global climate" Atmospheric CO2 levels are rising by 15 gigatonnes per year. Humans are emitting 26 gigatonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere. Humans are dramatically altering the composition of our climate.

"Climate is chaotic and cannot be predicted" Weather is chaotic because air is light, it has low friction and viscosity, it expands strongly when in contact with hot surfaces and it conducts heat poorly. Therefore weather is never in equilibrium and the wind always blows. The climate is mostly explained by equilibrium radiation physics, which puts the brakes on variations in global temperatures. Effects from weather, the Sun, volcanoes etc. currently only causes a small amount of chaotic behavior compared to the deterministic, predictable greenhouse gas forcing for the next 100 years"

The Show / Re: The Nut Job that runs NaturalNews.com
« on: February 01, 2010, 04:08:18 PM »
And of course the geniuses at NaturalNews.com are anti-vacination, even in the face of a massive amount of evidence as to the efficacy of vacines, such as this...


The Show / Re: The Nut Job that runs NaturalNews.com
« on: February 01, 2010, 04:05:58 PM »
Accusing sellers of homeopathic solutions of fraud is no different than accusing necktie manufacturers of fraud because neckties provide no warmth!

If you claim that your product produces effect A when it has been proven to not, that is fraud.

The Show / Re: The Nut Job that runs NaturalNews.com
« on: February 01, 2010, 11:02:31 AM »
Fraud is a serious allegation.  Do you have a single nanogram of evidence to back it up?

Mike Adams and his NaturalNews website advocate homeapathy, that's enough evidence right there.

The Show / Re: The Nut Job that runs NaturalNews.com
« on: January 29, 2010, 01:01:00 PM »
People like that kill others by spouting their nonsense.

Only the deserving.

No, people don't deserve to be defrauded.

The Show / Re: The Nut Job that runs NaturalNews.com
« on: January 29, 2010, 12:32:14 AM »
I never implied that Mike Adams was a saint, but I do agree with his "Health Tips" on most issues,

Really? Like these gems.?

Take absolutely no prescription drugs or pharmaceuticals whatsoever

Yeah, who needs antibitocis to clear up infections? Or insulin for your diabetes, it's drugs after all.

No visits to M.D.s or western medical doctors (visit naturopathic physicians only)

And what the hell will a naturopath do for you when you have a gunshot wound? Or cancer? Any any real medical condition?

There is so much more bullshit on that list I can't even stomach it. People like that kill others by spouting their nonsense.

The Show / Re: The Nut Job that runs NaturalNews.com
« on: January 25, 2010, 11:32:34 PM »
Try not paying PZ Myers' salary and you'll be Ed Brown'd, possibly to death or for the rest of your miserable caged life!

That doesn't make his statements incorrect. Your whole position (he's wrong/advocated violence because he's paid by the state) is an ad homenim and invalid. Move on

The Show / Re: The Nut Job that runs NaturalNews.com
« on: January 25, 2010, 02:16:44 PM »
All I see in the article you've linked to is further evidence that government worshipers use violence and fraud against anyone who disobeys.
Yep, exactly. 

Really? Which part, specifically that supports the state. Huh? I'm not going to apologize for the politics of P.Z. Myers, that post is about the bullshit that the fellow that runs NaturalNews.com spouts, that is all.

The Show / The Nut Job that runs NaturalNews.com
« on: January 24, 2010, 10:44:04 PM »
NaturalNews.com is the site that Wayne often mentions. It's run by a naturopath who's a bit of a nut. Here's the proof.


The Show / Re: FTL is becoming anti-science
« on: December 30, 2009, 10:04:21 PM »
Faith healers suck.  So does tyrannical rule.  You can hold and espouse both views simultaneously-- try it!  If it seems hard, try watching Penn and Teller for a bit.


The Show / Re: Missing Mark
« on: December 30, 2009, 02:23:45 PM »
Ian and Mark compliment each other very nicely.
I think you meant complement
I don't recall an honest, non-snide, non-backhanded compliment exchanged between them in ... years.  :cry:

Yes, that's what I meant :)

The Show / Re: FTL is becoming anti-science
« on: December 30, 2009, 02:22:30 PM »
After my experience on the James Randi forums, I believe they expose quacks for the same reason the Catholic Church or the Communists exposed quacks - to gain credibility for a new generation of quackery that they're pushing.  They love to bully harmless "faith healers" while doing nothing to discourage -- and thus encouraging -- people's blind faith in government instead!

If you think "faith healers" are harmless then you have a problem.

The Show / Re: Missing Mark
« on: December 29, 2009, 08:15:40 PM »
Ian and Mark compliment each other very nicely. Mark has a log of clever things he says, seemlingly off the cuff.

The Show / Re: FTL is becoming anti-science
« on: December 29, 2009, 08:05:59 PM »
The James Randi Education Foundation had a blip about the fire burn healing on their blog today.


The Show / Re: What's the Harm
« on: December 21, 2009, 05:01:10 PM »
Baloney Detection Kit - Michael Shermer

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