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General / Re: Tired of juvenile stunts misrepresenting the FSP. Canceled my AMP.
« on: June 03, 2012, 06:47:35 PM »
After supporting FK financially, I've come to the same conclusion as many others that much of the FK activism will not be effective in achieving the end goal of liberty. I don't think anybody here will be able to convince Ian of this though. Many people have presented a lot of valid arguments against this type of activism, but he has rejected them.
I think he and some other FK activists are missing a crucial point in their line of thinking. Just because you are engaging in activism that is completely moral and just does not mean that you are furthering the end goal of achieving a voluntary society. There seems to be an idea that because all of the activism that has been performed in accordance with the NAP, that it is all great in advancing the cause of liberty and shouldn't be criticized. Or there is the notion that because some people are going to get upset no matter what, you shouldn't judge or plan activism with public perception in mind.
However, civil disobedience, while completely right and moral, by itself does not necessarily advance the cause and may actually set it back. Effective activism must take into account public perception to some extent if you want more people to embrace the ideas of liberty. There is obviously no hard and fast rule about what is "good" vs. "bad" civil disobedience, but I don't think these questions are seriously considered by many of the activists.
Free Talk Live is still invaluable to the liberty movement though. It gets the ideas of liberty out there to a huge number of people and attracts many people to the FSP. It is a huge net benefit for the liberty movement. I AMP at $50 a month and hope to up this in the future. If you disagree with Ian on FK activism, don't let that dissuade you from AMPing. In my opinion, FTL does a ton of good and is one of the best things to fund in the liberty movement.
I think he and some other FK activists are missing a crucial point in their line of thinking. Just because you are engaging in activism that is completely moral and just does not mean that you are furthering the end goal of achieving a voluntary society. There seems to be an idea that because all of the activism that has been performed in accordance with the NAP, that it is all great in advancing the cause of liberty and shouldn't be criticized. Or there is the notion that because some people are going to get upset no matter what, you shouldn't judge or plan activism with public perception in mind.
However, civil disobedience, while completely right and moral, by itself does not necessarily advance the cause and may actually set it back. Effective activism must take into account public perception to some extent if you want more people to embrace the ideas of liberty. There is obviously no hard and fast rule about what is "good" vs. "bad" civil disobedience, but I don't think these questions are seriously considered by many of the activists.
Free Talk Live is still invaluable to the liberty movement though. It gets the ideas of liberty out there to a huge number of people and attracts many people to the FSP. It is a huge net benefit for the liberty movement. I AMP at $50 a month and hope to up this in the future. If you disagree with Ian on FK activism, don't let that dissuade you from AMPing. In my opinion, FTL does a ton of good and is one of the best things to fund in the liberty movement.
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General / Re: Double Your AMP Challenge
« on: June 30, 2010, 11:46:18 PM »
Thanks to those who said they would chip in. Unfortunately we didn't get to 10, but I'll double my AMP regardless.
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General / Re: Double Your AMP Challenge
« on: June 29, 2010, 10:27:50 PM »
One more day and we still need 5 more to reach 10. Anybody else in?
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General / Re: Double Your AMP Challenge
« on: June 27, 2010, 12:29:22 PM »any no how the "manage your own damn amp account" thing works. Do I just click on the amount I want to change it to? It doesn't seem to be acknowledging the fact that I already amp. What do?
Not sure, I was having trouble with that as well. You can always cancel and then re-subscribe at the higher level.
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General / Re: Double Your AMP Challenge
« on: June 17, 2010, 02:00:54 PM »I'm in if 10 people are in
Awesome, 8 more to go.
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General / Double Your AMP Challenge
« on: June 17, 2010, 12:27:10 AM »
It looks like the monthly AMP total has been declining recently so I want to see if we can give it a little bump. I recently increased my monthly contribution to $25 a month, but I am willing to double it to $50 if 9 other people will agree to double their current contributions by the end of the month if we reach this 10 person total.
Who else wants to chip in? It would be great to see FTL get a couple extra hundred a month right now.
Who else wants to chip in? It would be great to see FTL get a couple extra hundred a month right now.
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General / Free State Project Money Bomb - October 1st
« on: August 23, 2009, 11:02:27 PM »
Please help us reach our goal of raising $20,000 for the October 1st Free State Project Money Bomb. The FSP is funded solely on volunteer donations and if we are able to reach the $20k goal, the FSP would not have to worry about funding for advertising or events. The goal is less than 5% of what we raised for the Rand Paul Money Bomb so I think this is very attainable with your help.
Donations should be made to http://www.freestateproject.org/volunteer/donate Even $5 will help. Please also help us spread the word.
You can pledge your support here - http://wheresliberty.org/?q=20k_for_20k
Facebook Event if you would like to add it - http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=162322516744
Donations should be made to http://www.freestateproject.org/volunteer/donate Even $5 will help. Please also help us spread the word.
You can pledge your support here - http://wheresliberty.org/?q=20k_for_20k
Facebook Event if you would like to add it - http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=162322516744
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General / Re: What are you drinking tonight?
« on: August 07, 2008, 08:58:33 PM »
Captain and water. I've got nothing to mix it with.
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General / Re: Free Audiobook: "The Market for Liberty"
« on: June 02, 2008, 01:12:26 AM »I still need to check this shit out.
What are the chances I'll become an anarchist after listening?
Very likely. I was not converted by that book but many I know have been. The Market for Liberty is a masterpiece in anarchist thought.
Okay, cool. I'm already teetering on the edge anyway.
If this doesn't do it for you. Read some Rothbard (there are also audio books for some of his stuff) and I'm sure you'll be convinced. I was.
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General / Re: Free Audiobook: "The Market for Liberty"
« on: June 02, 2008, 01:10:36 AM »
One of the best books I've ever read. Thanks for doing this Ian.
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