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General / Re: What to do with intolerant people in the liberty movement?
« on: January 05, 2011, 04:28:02 PM »
I find your issues with this bizarre given your post about MA.
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General / Re: Mama Ally rebuttle.
« on: December 04, 2010, 11:33:41 AM »
http://www.facebook.com/freetalklive/posts/461319249071
the FTL fb page post by Ally talking about her stance on aggression.
It looks like she doesn’t understand that self defense is ok for those who abide by the NAP and that as activists we DONT seek permission from the state to do what we are doing. To a certain extent she is confusing the NAP with pacifism. This is understandable to someone new to the movement as it takes time to distinguish exactly what non-aggression is. But, her threats, derogatory language and insults are a clear indication that she is not willing to learn at this time. Catering to her behavior will only reinforce it. She looks down on us “peace pushers” as she calls us. It is clear that at this time she rejects the NAP.
The derogatory speech, the insults and the threats have been evident all along (prior to her daughter being taken). See here where in person and online I have witnessed aggressive and threatening behavior repeatedly. Her original racist comment was posted on September 22, before she was taken back down to SAV for jumping bail and before her daughter was taken by the state. http://blog.xaqfixx.com/?p=154
Even if you think her racist comments are okay at this time (due to stress), she doesn’t support the NAP and that removes her from this community that we are striving so hard to establish based on those principles.
Dissent should never lead to threats. How would you react if you or your spouse were threatened? Especially given the previous encounters I have had with this person.
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0BwiK7pjJI6ejNmQ0MmQzM2ItMWNkZC00M2ZhLWFiZjktYjA2ZDc2ZWQ0ZDdm&hl=en
My discussion with Ally. Her response to why Xaq wasn’t responding to her threatening message:
Specifically -
Momma Ally -“I am down to talk it out anytime but as of yet he hasn’t given me the opportunity. It took YOU posting on my wall for me to be able to defend myself against it. He won’t even answer my messages. I am always up for learning and productive relationships. Anytime he is ready to be real he obviously knows where to find me
”
(Xaq at this point has blocked her because “her messages” was actually the threat I posted before.)
Me - “with such phrases as:
dirty dog piece of shit
snake bastard
"i will show you no mercy"
"remember all the shit you talk on here will have to be answered for in person some day"
no reasonable conversation can be expected by a response to a message like this. i prefer to keep my interaction with you public so as to keep this type of threatening language to a minimum.”
(to which she responded)
“Those comments were sooooo warranted....” which you can read the rest on that link.
At the very least, stop calling her an Agorist. The business might be counter economic but she is not a counter economist bc she has expressed her rejection of the NAP.
http://agorism.info/ Definitions
Agorism
the ideology which asserts that the Libertarian philosophical position occurs in the real world in practice as Counter-Economics.
Agorist
advocate or conscious practitioner of Counter-Economics, older terms include Left Libertarian and New Libertarian.
Counter-Economics
the study and/or practice of all peaceful human action which is forbidden by the State.
the FTL fb page post by Ally talking about her stance on aggression.
It looks like she doesn’t understand that self defense is ok for those who abide by the NAP and that as activists we DONT seek permission from the state to do what we are doing. To a certain extent she is confusing the NAP with pacifism. This is understandable to someone new to the movement as it takes time to distinguish exactly what non-aggression is. But, her threats, derogatory language and insults are a clear indication that she is not willing to learn at this time. Catering to her behavior will only reinforce it. She looks down on us “peace pushers” as she calls us. It is clear that at this time she rejects the NAP.
The derogatory speech, the insults and the threats have been evident all along (prior to her daughter being taken). See here where in person and online I have witnessed aggressive and threatening behavior repeatedly. Her original racist comment was posted on September 22, before she was taken back down to SAV for jumping bail and before her daughter was taken by the state. http://blog.xaqfixx.com/?p=154
Even if you think her racist comments are okay at this time (due to stress), she doesn’t support the NAP and that removes her from this community that we are striving so hard to establish based on those principles.
Dissent should never lead to threats. How would you react if you or your spouse were threatened? Especially given the previous encounters I have had with this person.
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0BwiK7pjJI6ejNmQ0MmQzM2ItMWNkZC00M2ZhLWFiZjktYjA2ZDc2ZWQ0ZDdm&hl=en
My discussion with Ally. Her response to why Xaq wasn’t responding to her threatening message:
Specifically -
Momma Ally -“I am down to talk it out anytime but as of yet he hasn’t given me the opportunity. It took YOU posting on my wall for me to be able to defend myself against it. He won’t even answer my messages. I am always up for learning and productive relationships. Anytime he is ready to be real he obviously knows where to find me
” (Xaq at this point has blocked her because “her messages” was actually the threat I posted before.)
Me - “with such phrases as:
dirty dog piece of shit
snake bastard
"i will show you no mercy"
"remember all the shit you talk on here will have to be answered for in person some day"
no reasonable conversation can be expected by a response to a message like this. i prefer to keep my interaction with you public so as to keep this type of threatening language to a minimum.”
(to which she responded)
“Those comments were sooooo warranted....” which you can read the rest on that link.
At the very least, stop calling her an Agorist. The business might be counter economic but she is not a counter economist bc she has expressed her rejection of the NAP.
http://agorism.info/ Definitions
Agorism
the ideology which asserts that the Libertarian philosophical position occurs in the real world in practice as Counter-Economics.
Agorist
advocate or conscious practitioner of Counter-Economics, older terms include Left Libertarian and New Libertarian.
Counter-Economics
the study and/or practice of all peaceful human action which is forbidden by the State.
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General / Re: Mama Ally rebuttle.
« on: November 29, 2010, 04:15:31 PM »
so my options are be an enabler or be a hater. cant it just be a matter of supporting the principals of liberty even if it isnt a cop or politician?
or i guess i should shut my mouth and let her run people over and continue posting harassing comments about unrelated people to my friends wall's and pages asking for harassment without any supporting evidence of wrongdoing.
what do you tell your children about online bullying? i am very sorry her life is in shambles....whether it is from the state or her own doing. however, voicing dissent should never lead to threats.
i guess we will let people really decide if they want their biscuits made with love or hate. thats what the free market is about, informed decision making. she is a business that wants me, and my friends to support her. as such it is my responsibility to make sure people are informed. guess i am a doer too....
or i guess i should shut my mouth and let her run people over and continue posting harassing comments about unrelated people to my friends wall's and pages asking for harassment without any supporting evidence of wrongdoing.
what do you tell your children about online bullying? i am very sorry her life is in shambles....whether it is from the state or her own doing. however, voicing dissent should never lead to threats.
i guess we will let people really decide if they want their biscuits made with love or hate. thats what the free market is about, informed decision making. she is a business that wants me, and my friends to support her. as such it is my responsibility to make sure people are informed. guess i am a doer too....
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General / Hi, I'm Garland and I don't like racist speech or spamming for family drama.
« on: November 29, 2010, 02:13:44 PM »
my experience with her business and her has been less than pleasant and includes threatening language, racist remarks, and a resounding sense of unabashed and unapologetic behavior.
xaq recounts our experience here: http://blog.xaqfixx.com/?p=154
most notably he recieved a message after posting on youtube (which she deleted) regarding her video that she spammed on everyone's page:
title: you dirty dog piece of shit!
remember all the shit you talk on here will have to be answered for in person some day you snake bastard and I will show you no mercy just as you have shown me and my family with your meddlesome ignorance!
Get a life of your own and quit adding negativity to mine!
-Momma Ally
(screen cap is in the blog post)
we spoke last night via facebook here: http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=180979441915890&id=638303082¬if_t=share_reply
she has deleted her comments and/or profile since and i didnt screencap it before i went to bed.
and for the record, i didn't cry.
xaq recounts our experience here: http://blog.xaqfixx.com/?p=154
most notably he recieved a message after posting on youtube (which she deleted) regarding her video that she spammed on everyone's page:
title: you dirty dog piece of shit!
remember all the shit you talk on here will have to be answered for in person some day you snake bastard and I will show you no mercy just as you have shown me and my family with your meddlesome ignorance!
Get a life of your own and quit adding negativity to mine!
-Momma Ally
(screen cap is in the blog post)
we spoke last night via facebook here: http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=180979441915890&id=638303082¬if_t=share_reply
she has deleted her comments and/or profile since and i didnt screencap it before i went to bed.
and for the record, i didn't cry.
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