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The Chick-fil-A commentary on your show (and everywhere else) seems more than a bit odd to me. I love the show, but I feel like you guys are missing a big part of the controversy. I keep hearing/reading, “The CEO of Chick-fil-A is anti-gay. He wants marriage to be between one man and one woman! What a hateful man. Bigot!”

Ok, fair enough. But what else is this person against? Who else does he apparently hate? What are the other lifestyle choices he doesn't support? Anyone? Helloooooooooooooooo? (Crickets)

If you guessed polygamy/polyandry, you’d are right. Honestly, it makes me sad. People with multiple spouses are so discriminated against that they aren’t even mentioned at all in relation to this story. Their rights just don’t matter because only gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and transgender people have rights. Oh and straight people with one spouse.

If the CEO said he was against black people marrying black people and white people marrying white people, would you only say he’s against white marriage? That would be really fucking weird, right?

And it’s not just this CEO who is “hateful” either. Out of all of the pro LBGT people that I’ve read about online who’ve been protesting/blogging against Chick-fil-A, not one mentioned they support one man marrying seven women. (Yes, I know there must be some who do, but it seems to me they are few and far between.) But let’s say we did find those few gay-rights activists who do support plural marriage….Do they support marriage between a 30 year-old man, his 50 year old mother, and her 80 year-old neighbor? We know the vast, vast majority of them don’t. 

Yet, when do gay rights groups get called “hateful” for not supporting all marriages between consenting adults? Almost never. If this CEO is a bigot, then so are the pro-gay people who don’t support polyandry, right? Those gay anti-plural marriage people are hate-filled bigots! (That’s how I communicate when I “come from a position of love,” by the way.)

My point is that the CEO wasn’t just bashing LGBT people. He was bashing other lifestyle choices too. But most individuals in our “society” are so openly against all marriages outside of the sacred gay and traditional versions that almost no one even recognized the CEO was speaking out against them. Or if they did recognize it, they failed to mention it because they agreed with most of his position. IMO, the people who support gay marriage but don’t support plural marriage are just as wrong as those who only “traditional” marriage.

Thanks for reading. Love the show.

The Show / Re: No Historical Evidence of a Free Society
« on: May 06, 2012, 12:10:33 AM »
Oh and Murray Rothbard has written a lot about historical societies that shared many of the same characteristics he argued in favor of.

But obviously, from our perspective, they eventually failed because they no longer exist. Anyways............

The Show / No Historical Evidence of a Free Society
« on: May 06, 2012, 12:07:35 AM »
I loved the discussion you guys had with the lefty radio host a few days ago. During the discussion, Dr Knows Whats Best mentioned something like..."there is no evidence that society can exist without monopolist government."

While its been a long time since I've read rebuttals to this criticism, one of the responses I remember finding interesting is that at one point in time there was no evidence that a large prosperous society could exist without a king/queen. Think about it from their pre-democracy perspective.....how in the world can society function without a central ruler who can make all decisions? If people could vote, wouldn't all of the competing interests create complete chaos that would result in the utter destruction of civilization itself? Wouldn't all of the laws change every election? And aren't people too stupid to pick the correct ruler?

And since most of the people who argue against liberty are huge fans of "democracy," you can remind them that their beloved institution took thousands and thousands of years to blossom.

Plus, people said the same stuff about abolition. "We have always had slaves. How could we have a functioning economy, peace & tranquility, and the rule of law without slavery? I mean, its in the bible isn't it?" Again, same argument.

As Roderick Long once said on this very topic, "The night is young." (Meaning, modern civilization is brand new and human beings have a long future ahead were social structures can change.)

General / Re: Cults...AHHHHHH!
« on: April 26, 2012, 02:26:26 AM »
Just for clarification since it seems you never read Tolkein - the Shire is where all the Hobbits live.


I have the Lord of the Rings books on the shelf, but I've only read about half of the first one. I need to get back to it, but I want to continue reading Game of Thrones prior to my finishing LOR.

General / Re: Cults...AHHHHHH!
« on: April 26, 2012, 02:23:18 AM »
And how about all of the free keeners who've changed their name to Freeman, Lawless, or Voluntaryist?

Lawless is actually his real name. How cool is that?!

I stand corrected. Thanks.

General / Cults...AHHHHHH!
« on: April 25, 2012, 01:34:35 PM »
Whats going on with Ian and his new tactic of calling everyone but Free Staters cult members? From an outside perspective, it looks like Ian got tired of being called a cult leader and started leveling the same charge against everyone else.

On the show, Ian was continually mentioning "jargon." Which, according to dictionary.com, means, "the language, especially the vocabulary, peculiar to a particular trade, profession, or group." Don't Free Keeners use all kinds of jargon? I'm not against using these terms but I think they definitely constitute jargon. Things like....

Man in the robe/man in a dress=judge
Criminal gang=government, especially police
Peaceful Person=person not in government
Gang member=police officer
Cult members=citizens who believe in government
Indoctrination camps=school
Extortion= taxes
The Shire=something hard for me to define

Again, I don't disagree with these terms, not one bit, but how are they not examples of jargon?

And how about all of the free keeners who've changed their name to Freeman, Lawless, or Voluntaryist? Think about how weird it is to people who don't know much about the free state project to read something like, "Ian Freeman, Derrick Freeman, and Kelly Voluntaryist were peacefully protesting the criminal gang's putting peaceful persons in cages for being peaceful peaceful peaceful peaceful." Sounds pretty damn culty, right?

I love this show and I love the FSP, but how about we stop calling people cult members? To an outsider, it may sound like a closeted homosexual calling everyone gay.

General / Re: PayPal and Rape Books
« on: March 02, 2012, 03:23:50 PM »
It is censorship that Paypal is doing.  The difference(s) is it is voluntary censorship and if you don't like it you can go to a competitor.  Gubmint censorship uses force in a monopolistic environment.

I want you to hire me to write a book about kittens. Whats that? Oh, you don't want to hire me to write that book? I guess you are censoring me. Damn you!

General / Re: PayPal and Rape Books
« on: February 29, 2012, 09:42:20 PM »
I am trying to distinguish between what I think is real "censorship" and what I think is just not associating with people.

General / Re: Ian arrested, probably going back to the pokey for 270 days
« on: February 29, 2012, 09:39:47 PM »
They're just pissed they didn't get their silly little tank.

They didn't? Thats awesome.

I thought the protests were great, but I didn't think they would stop the BEARCAT.

Great job, guys.

The vote on the BEARCAT is tomorrow.

Thanks for the info. I guess the other guy didn't know what was going on.

Well....I hope they don't get the BEARCAT

General / Re: PayPal and Rape Books
« on: February 28, 2012, 11:51:51 PM »
I still think we need to distinguish between Dale not hiring gay haters to write anti-gay blogs on his website and the government outlawing books.

General / Re: Can procreation be justified?
« on: February 28, 2012, 11:35:31 PM »
It was never my argument that I preferred death over life; but that life presents no redeeming experience that justifies forcing anyone else into existence. 

What? Life...redeeming existence.....what?

What is your problem with your life? That you didn't, as a nonexistent nothingness not floating in the ether of nowhere, give your consent to be born?

General / PayPal and Rape Books
« on: February 28, 2012, 03:48:03 PM »
I don't know why some people have a problem with PayPal not wanting to do business with publishers who sell "rape books." I guarantee that if PayPal stopped doing business with people who write pro-white pride/racist books, Ian and others would be really happy about it. They'd be cheering "the market's" ability to deal with social taboos.

Oh, and private companies don't "censor" anyone as the caller claimed. They choose not to associate with people and its totally legitimate. Thankfully, Ian did bring that point up.

General / Re: Can procreation be justified?
« on: February 28, 2012, 01:13:27 PM »
I don't get it, either.

I strongly prefer life over death. If I didn't, I'd end my life. And you would too.
Thats not true. 

Yes, it is. Some people call it "demonstrated preferences" in economics. If you prefer death over life (a little simplified), you'd end your life. Its not complicated.

General / Re: Can Someone Please Explain the Name Change Thing?
« on: February 28, 2012, 01:04:48 PM »
Some of them are starting to wear the same hat...

Really or are you kidding?

Next, they'll start wearing some approved "liberty minded" uniform. (I'm kidding).

General / Re: Update on Julian Heicklen
« on: February 28, 2012, 01:03:17 PM »
Was the first paragraph one long sentence?

Anyways, I hope all ends well for him.

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