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General / Re: $1.50 a gallon gasoline
« on: February 02, 2011, 06:44:38 PM »
Yeah, maybe I should have been more clear about that...
I'm not saying that it takes 10 years to physically build a plant.
The physical build of a plant can be done in anywhere between 6 months and about 2.5 years, depending on how complicated the plant is.
It's the permits, the plans, the terrain research, the social impact studies, the traffic studies, the environmental studies and so on that causes what should be a year to become a decade.
I'm not saying that it takes 10 years to physically build a plant.
The physical build of a plant can be done in anywhere between 6 months and about 2.5 years, depending on how complicated the plant is.
It's the permits, the plans, the terrain research, the social impact studies, the traffic studies, the environmental studies and so on that causes what should be a year to become a decade.
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General / Re: $1.50 a gallon gasoline
« on: January 31, 2011, 06:19:24 PM »
Euhm, yeah.... I said it would take quite a while... a decade or so.
A decade is 10 years, you claim it would be anywhere from 6 to 29 years...
10 years fall in between 6 and 29 years, so are you actually disagreeing with me on that point?
Having chemical plants in place does not mean that those chemical plants are actually able to produce this new fuel.
Most chemical plants make very very specific things and can't just randomly be switched to making other things.
Most chemical plants also already have high profiting output markets which won't just be given up on because the new thing comes along.
Companies rarely want to decrease their market, even if they've got a new "goose with golden eggs".
It's therefore much more likely that plants will be added than that current plants will take over full responsibility for the production of this stuff.
Building a new plant is a 10 year process from plans to full production, so that's going to take a while.
Seeing that building a plant takes 10 years, at the very least it will be 10 years before they can produce this stuff at the rate that we currently use oil and this new stuff takes over the market from oil.
A decade is 10 years, you claim it would be anywhere from 6 to 29 years...
10 years fall in between 6 and 29 years, so are you actually disagreeing with me on that point?
Having chemical plants in place does not mean that those chemical plants are actually able to produce this new fuel.
Most chemical plants make very very specific things and can't just randomly be switched to making other things.
Most chemical plants also already have high profiting output markets which won't just be given up on because the new thing comes along.
Companies rarely want to decrease their market, even if they've got a new "goose with golden eggs".
It's therefore much more likely that plants will be added than that current plants will take over full responsibility for the production of this stuff.
Building a new plant is a 10 year process from plans to full production, so that's going to take a while.
Seeing that building a plant takes 10 years, at the very least it will be 10 years before they can produce this stuff at the rate that we currently use oil and this new stuff takes over the market from oil.
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General / Re: $1.50 a gallon gasoline
« on: January 31, 2011, 01:58:25 PM »
How much would the stuff actually cost after the government is done taxing it to death?
Oil prices are artificially high, in part, because the government taxes all through the system, that all get calculated back to the end user, on top of the 10% or something that's directly taxed.
The oil companies would make less, but the industry wouldn't just disappear, most of our modern day plastics and polymers are based on oil, along with a shit load of other products.
Further, even if this new fuel is actually produceable on a large enough scale, which is going to take at least a decade (it takes quite a while to build a large scale chemical plant, and even longer than it should thanks to Uncle Sam) it still needs to be distributed.
The oil companies already have the infrastructure in place for that and can easily make a lot of profit just from doing that.
If the price quoted is correct for large scale production, the fact that it's produced so much cheaper will recoup for a lot of their losses in the oil industry, seeing that oil has a high production cost.
I don't think it would meet much resistance from becoming our next fuel, considering all things involved... IF the stuff actually works, and IF it can easily and cheaply be produced.
Oil prices are artificially high, in part, because the government taxes all through the system, that all get calculated back to the end user, on top of the 10% or something that's directly taxed.
The oil companies would make less, but the industry wouldn't just disappear, most of our modern day plastics and polymers are based on oil, along with a shit load of other products.
Further, even if this new fuel is actually produceable on a large enough scale, which is going to take at least a decade (it takes quite a while to build a large scale chemical plant, and even longer than it should thanks to Uncle Sam) it still needs to be distributed.
The oil companies already have the infrastructure in place for that and can easily make a lot of profit just from doing that.
If the price quoted is correct for large scale production, the fact that it's produced so much cheaper will recoup for a lot of their losses in the oil industry, seeing that oil has a high production cost.
I don't think it would meet much resistance from becoming our next fuel, considering all things involved... IF the stuff actually works, and IF it can easily and cheaply be produced.
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