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Re: What'd you add to *your* version of the Anarcho-Capitalist flag?
« Reply #90 on: April 07, 2009, 06:23:40 AM »

I like the snake on the M16 design, and besides, who doesn't love Steel Reserve?

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Re: What'd you add to *your* version of the Anarcho-Capitalist flag?
« Reply #91 on: April 07, 2009, 06:34:38 AM »

Can you get that bird to carry an iPod that's playing Free Talk Live?  :lol:
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Re: What'd you add to *your* version of the Anarcho-Capitalist flag?
« Reply #92 on: April 10, 2009, 10:51:44 AM »

Flag idea from novel i am writting

http://img6.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flagi.jpg

the gold coins were suppsoed to be gold in a rocky form, but i couldn't find an image for that.

space represents the only place where anarcho-capitalism could in fact flourish

about yin yang symbol, critique of a friend:

"symbology of the yin-yang ancap, that the dollar represents property, while peace represents non initiation of force, and that the mechanism of the market (property), balances non initiation of force, and that the combination of both dollar and peace sign, serves to distinguish between seperate philosophies.

Peace symbols are often seen as symbol for socialism and other hippy philosophies, and capitalism is often seen by hippies as a system of force, that, america is capitalist, and they have wars and oppressive police, so thats what capitalism is.

By merging the two symbols, it will not allow either side to make false assumptions, and will peak there interest, as it is widely viewed that the main distinctions are between big government that looks after the poor, and big government that defends borders, starts wars, fights drugs etc."

of course this flag is not suited as a symbol flag, merely as a curiosity, since its visual is too complex to be a proper flag
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Re: What'd you add to *your* version of the Anarcho-Capitalist flag?
« Reply #93 on: April 11, 2009, 03:44:10 PM »


Very interesting.  A few random thoughts:

I like the symbolism of peace, and I understand the intended use of the 阴阳 symbol, but the whole image could be misinterpreted to mean "mixed economy" (which is an even greater enemy of liberty than totalitarian collectivism, which rejects capitalism outright and is thus weak and dysfunctional).  Someone would look at it and say: "capitalism balanced by altruism through government regulations" ...  :x

Maybe we need a peace symbol of our own?  How about a peace pipe:lol:


[...]  that the dollar represents property  [...]

I just wish there was a symbol for value that wasn't tied to nationalism (i.e. the U.S. dollar sign).  Maybe we could try to broaden the popularity of the "seven dots in circle" symbol used in the ISIL flash?


[...]  space represents the only place where anarcho-capitalism could in fact flourish

I agree that space is what holds the most promise in the long term (and don't think we won't nudge this stupid little planet toward or away from the sun for a while if you don't leave us alone, socialist moochers!)...  but...  saying that it's the "the only place" for AnCap is defeatist.  Our enemies will use that against us: "you're still here on earth, so your butt is ours".  Never yield an inch!
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Re: What'd you add to *your* version of the Anarcho-Capitalist flag?
« Reply #94 on: April 11, 2009, 04:20:49 PM »


Very interesting.  A few random thoughts:

I like the symbolism of peace, and I understand the intended use of the 阴阳 symbol, but the whole image could be misinterpreted to mean "mixed economy" (which is an even greater enemy of liberty than totalitarian collectivism, which rejects capitalism outright and is thus weak and dysfunctional).  Someone would look at it and say: "capitalism balanced by altruism through government regulations" ...  :x

Maybe we need a peace symbol of our own?  How about a peace pipe:lol:


[...]  that the dollar represents property  [...]

I just wish there was a symbol for value that wasn't tied to nationalism (i.e. the U.S. dollar sign).  Maybe we could try to broaden the popularity of the "seven dots in circle" symbol used in the ISIL flash?


[...]  space represents the only place where anarcho-capitalism could in fact flourish

I agree that space is what holds the most promise in the long term (and don't think we won't nudge this stupid little planet toward or away from the sun for a while if you don't leave us alone, socialist moochers!)...  but...  saying that it's the "the only place" for AnCap is defeatist.  Our enemies will use that against us: "you're still here on earth, so your butt is ours".  Never yield an inch!


oh pardon me, i didn't actually mean that in space was the only place where ancap could in fact flourish. in fact, i believe it can flourish naturally and gradually in current countries besides on seasteading experiments (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasteading)

but i think that in the long run, [space] is the only place where there can be no one submitting the entire human and alien beings into rules because we would be so dispersed among so many planets and galaxies that it would be highly costly and most unprofitable for a group to try and achieve that.

i believe i mentioned space with ym novel in mind, but i dont wish to get into more details concerning that.

about your other points, you can try and photoshop some of your ideas to share with us. i also dont like the idea that the dollar is tied with nationalism. but every currency that is widespread is tied with some nation. it is only until we start seeing more competition between actual money (eg liberty dollar) and their symbol that we can adopt them as a part of the flag. havign said that, the liberty dollar also is represented as $, so when people ask we can just say its liberty dollar instead of normal dollar.
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Re: What'd you add to *your* version of the Anarcho-Capitalist flag?
« Reply #95 on: April 11, 2009, 05:13:05 PM »

by the way, here is an hypothetical image of what you described, featuring the peace pipe and the property symbol used in the philosophy of liberty flash

http://img12.imageshack.us/my.php?image=libertarianism2.gif

i apologize for the bad quality of the property symbol, but i had to do it manually on point for lack of better programs. anyway, im sure someone with more skills can easily improve on that.

the problem with this is that its symbols have ever been seen before and are, therefore, wildly unnoticed in contrast with the more commonly known dollar and peace sign int he previous ying yang symbol

anyway, enjoy
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Re: What'd you add to *your* version of the Anarcho-Capitalist flag?
« Reply #96 on: April 11, 2009, 05:17:13 PM »


Heh, thanks for trying those out, but I don't think my ideas work out in this B&W context.  The property symbol probably needs to be shown in reference to the human figure, like maybe hovering over a human hand...  And the peace pipe could be mistaken for a weapon...  :lol:
« Last Edit: April 11, 2009, 05:29:20 PM by Alex Libman »
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Re: What'd you add to *your* version of the Anarcho-Capitalist flag?
« Reply #97 on: April 13, 2009, 05:55:58 AM »



The yellow part of Roger needs cleaned up though . . .could someone help with this?
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Re: What'd you add to *your* version of the Anarcho-Capitalist flag?
« Reply #98 on: April 13, 2009, 08:41:58 AM »

I love the three symbols on the right, but the skull doesn't look good in the center.  Maybe I'd put those symbols in the top left (black on gold), arranging them in a triangle to represent that each has a relationship to the other two ("life" in the very corner, "liberty" to the right of it, and "property" below "life").  And then I'd put the skull (one symbol sized to balance the other three) in the bottom right corner (gold on black) to tell people what happens when you try to take life / liberty / property away.  (What's Latin for "live free or die"?  And why are we using Latin again?)  I'd put the text tilted along the line in the center, "Life, Liberty, Property" on top (black on gold), and "Live Free Or Die" (both in English) just below that line (gold on black), possibly up-side-down like a reflection - then you could fly it black side up in times of distress.  Maybe drop a little shadow (silver?) from text / symbols toward the diving line.
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Re: What'd you add to *your* version of the Anarcho-Capitalist flag?
« Reply #99 on: April 13, 2009, 10:22:24 AM »

I love the three symbols on the right, but the skull doesn't look good in the center.  Maybe I'd put those symbols in the top left (black on gold), arranging them in a triangle to represent that each has a relationship to the other two ("life" in the very corner, "liberty" to the right of it, and "property" below "life").  And then I'd put the skull (one symbol sized to balance the other three) in the bottom right corner (gold on black) to tell people what happens when you try to take life / liberty / property away.  (What's Latin for "live free or die"?  And why are we using Latin again?)  I'd put the text tilted along the line in the center, "Life, Liberty, Property" on top (black on gold), and "Live Free Or Die" (both in English) just below that line (gold on black), possibly up-side-down like a reflection - then you could fly it black side up in times of distress.  Maybe drop a little shadow (silver?) from text / symbols toward the diving line.


That's quite alot to do in MS Paint XD
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Re: What'd you add to *your* version of the Anarcho-Capitalist flag?
« Reply #100 on: April 13, 2009, 10:52:35 AM »

Do you mean the old one or Paint.NET (freeware)?

I suck at graphics - the program I've used the most was PaintShop Pro, and I don't even bother installing it anymore.  I've always thought I'd give Gimp another try once they dump the ancient interface ideas, but now I'm not so sure.  I'm a coder, not an artist.  Division of labor FTW!
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Re: What'd you add to *your* version of the Anarcho-Capitalist flag?
« Reply #101 on: April 13, 2009, 11:39:28 AM »

The old one, I installed gimp and made this:


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« Reply #102 on: April 13, 2009, 11:58:21 AM »

Awesome!  :D

Very minor tweaks to the size / positioning of the symbols could be beneficial.  For a small readable avatar, one could make those symbols bigger and use the text "LIVE FREE" on top with "OR DIE!" on the bottom
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Re: What'd you add to *your* version of the Anarcho-Capitalist flag?
« Reply #103 on: April 13, 2009, 01:25:46 PM »

I still stand by my own, personal flag:

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« Reply #104 on: April 13, 2009, 02:04:39 PM »

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