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Free Talk Live => Photoshops => Topic started by: JKMP on November 14, 2007, 05:00:09 PM
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(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d4/JoeKeller/hilary08.jpg)
need I say more?
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ha. i had a t-shirt concept idea alot like tha drift into my head a few weeks ago....the che-style hillary in profile; and of course, complete with the commie beret.
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ha. i had a t-shirt concept idea alot like tha drift into my head a few weeks ago....the che-style hillary in profile; and of course, complete with the commie beret.
ah man. I would so buy that t-shirt.
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Same here.
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i would actually be somewhat suprised if there aren't any being sold somewhere in the internets.
i just did a quick google search, but havn't found a shirt quite like it...
but i did find this one:
(http://www.autodogmatic.com/images/lolkittehzeke.jpg)
:lol:
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haha, sweet.
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You're really making me reconsider Hillary.
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You're really making me reconsider Hillary.
how come? you dig communism?
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You're really making me reconsider Hillary.
how come? you dig communism?
DoucheFromMI is a troll. Please ignore for the good of the BBS.
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You're really making me reconsider Hillary.
how come? you dig communism?
DoucheFromMI is a troll. Please ignore for the good of the BBS.
ok.
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You're really making me reconsider Hillary.
how come? you dig communism?
DoucheFromMI is a troll. Please ignore for the good of the BBS.
ok.
And I'm proud to be an American, where at least I know I'm free!
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And I'm proud to be an American, where at least I know I'm free!
Freedom isn't free
It costs folks like you and me
And if we don't all chip in
We'll never pay that bill
Freedom isn't free
Now there's a hefty in' fee
And if you don't throw in your buck 'o five
Who will?
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You're really making me reconsider Hillary.
how come? you dig communism?
No, but when someone misrepresents an idea in order to attack it I am drawn to that idea. Criticize her based on her merits, don't make up some fake hyperbolic shit.
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You're really making me reconsider Hillary.
how come? you dig communism?
No, but when someone misrepresents an idea in order to attack it I am drawn to that idea. Criticize her based on her merits, don't make up some fake hyperbolic shit.
It's all over folks, the flaw in the philosophy.
http://zena.secureforum.com/cartoons/show_toon.cfm?toonID=85&toonList=85&index=display.cfm
like that?
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You're really making me reconsider Hillary.
how come? you dig communism?
No, but when someone misrepresents an idea in order to attack it I am drawn to that idea. Criticize her based on her merits, don't make up some fake hyperbolic shit.
It's all over folks, the flaw in the philosophy.
http://zena.secureforum.com/cartoons/show_toon.cfm?toonID=85&toonList=85&index=display.cfm
like that?
Who said I agreed with that cartoon?
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You're really making me reconsider Hillary.
how come? you dig communism?
No, but when someone misrepresents an idea in order to attack it I am drawn to that idea. Criticize her based on her merits, don't make up some fake hyperbolic shit.
It's all over folks, the flaw in the philosophy.
http://zena.secureforum.com/cartoons/show_toon.cfm?toonID=85&toonList=85&index=display.cfm
like that?
Who said I agreed with that cartoon?
no one...but aren't you starting to reconsider libertarianism?
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You're really making me reconsider Hillary.
how come? you dig communism?
No, but when someone misrepresents an idea in order to attack it I am drawn to that idea. Criticize her based on her merits, don't make up some fake hyperbolic shit.
It's all over folks, the flaw in the philosophy.
http://zena.secureforum.com/cartoons/show_toon.cfm?toonID=85&toonList=85&index=display.cfm
like that?
Who said I agreed with that cartoon?
no one...but aren't you starting to reconsider libertarianism?
I'm quite solid in my views. I will vote for Hillary in the general, and Ron Paul in the primary. My only point is that hyperbolic attacks push people further in the other direction. You're preaching to the choir, and pissing everyone else off.
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You're really making me reconsider Hillary.
how come? you dig communism?
No, but when someone misrepresents an idea in order to attack it I am drawn to that idea. Criticize her based on her merits, don't make up some fake hyperbolic shit.
It's all over folks, the flaw in the philosophy.
http://zena.secureforum.com/cartoons/show_toon.cfm?toonID=85&toonList=85&index=display.cfm
like that?
Who said I agreed with that cartoon?
no one...but aren't you starting to reconsider libertarianism?
I'm quite solid in my views. I will vote for Hillary in the general, and Ron Paul in the primary. My only point is that hyperbolic attacks push people further in the other direction. You're preaching to the choir, and pissing everyone else off.
Most political cartoons exagerate a certain quality or issue. I dont see how pointing out that her socialist positions are closer to a Communist could push people away. I made it because I am not a fan of her views and it expresses the direction I believe they will take the country.
as far as pushing people in the other direction... if your swayed by a novices political cartoon you really need to figure out what you stand for and start forming your own opinion instead of taking things over-literally or for face value.
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he's just being incendiary...
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he's just being incendiary...
oh well, I need to work on some new material, any ideas?
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he's just being incendiary...
oh well, I need to work on some new material, any ideas?
Giuliani with a Swastika?
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he's just being incendiary...
I'm being incendiary? I'm not the one falsely accusing people of being communists. If being moderate is incendiary, I'm on fire.
Most political cartoons exagerate a certain quality or issue. I dont see how pointing out that her socialist positions are closer to a Communist could push people away. I made it because I am not a fan of her views and it expresses the direction I believe they will take the country.
This is hyperbole, and it pushed me away. The simple fact is that she is not a communist, or anything even remotely close to it. It's not satire, it's just incorrect.
as far as pushing people in the other direction... if your swayed by a novices political cartoon you really need to figure out what you stand for and start forming your own opinion instead of taking things over-literally or for face value.
Then what audience are you playing to, moronic liberty advocates who lap up everything they're told?
he's just being incendiary...
oh well, I need to work on some new material, any ideas?
Giuliani with a Swastika?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zR0TJi3Sw4
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Then what audience are you playing to, moronic liberty advocates who lap up everything they're told?
No its simply a statment on hilarys socalist views. its not ment to sway your view. its my oppinion. do you just wanna argue or do you think communists are on to somthing?
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Then what audience are you playing to, moronic liberty advocates who lap up everything they're told?
No its simply a statment on hilarys socalist views. its not ment to sway your view. its my oppinion. do you just wanna argue or do you think communists are on to somthing?
So it's your misunderstanding of communism that caused you to make this shop. That's fine.
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Then what audience are you playing to, moronic liberty advocates who lap up everything they're told?
No its simply a statment on hilarys socalist views. its not ment to sway your view. its my oppinion. do you just wanna argue or do you think communists are on to somthing?
So it's your misunderstanding of communism that caused you to make this shop. That's fine.
I wouldnt call in misunderstanding. I think it will always fail and has many more problems than those we deal with now. but you didnt answer my question.
So am I to take it that you are a communitst or have some sort of leaning in that direction?
If so, let me know what it is you think Im misunderstanding.
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Then what audience are you playing to, moronic liberty advocates who lap up everything they're told?
No its simply a statment on hilarys socalist views. its not ment to sway your view. its my oppinion. do you just wanna argue or do you think communists are on to somthing?
So it's your misunderstanding of communism that caused you to make this shop. That's fine.
I wouldnt call in misunderstanding. I think it will always fail and has many more problems than those we deal with now. but you didnt answer my question.
So am I to take it that you are a communitst or have some sort of leaning in that direction?
If so, let me know what it is you think Im misunderstanding.
Socialism and communism are different. You've probably never read any Marx beyond the Manifesto (if that) or done much research on the topic. Calling Hillary a communist is similar to calling Paul a baby killer for trying to remove welfare and medicare. It's not true, its hyperbole, and it will scare off more people than it attracts.
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Then what audience are you playing to, moronic liberty advocates who lap up everything they're told?
No its simply a statment on hilarys socalist views. its not ment to sway your view. its my oppinion. do you just wanna argue or do you think communists are on to somthing?
So it's your misunderstanding of communism that caused you to make this shop. That's fine.
I wouldnt call in misunderstanding. I think it will always fail and has many more problems than those we deal with now. but you didnt answer my question.
So am I to take it that you are a communitst or have some sort of leaning in that direction?
If so, let me know what it is you think Im misunderstanding.
Socialism and communism are different. You've probably never read any Marx beyond the Manifesto (if that) or done much research on the topic. Calling Hillary a communist is similar to calling Paul a baby killer for trying to remove welfare and medicare. It's not true, its hyperbole, and it will scare off more people than it attracts.
I read some of "society and social change"in college. never did more than glance at Manifesto.
"The goal of Socialism is Communism" -Vladimir Lenin
Yes they are different but the further you go into socialism the closer you get to communism. Hilarys views are in that direction and opposite of mine, hence the idea of this post. I dont like where socialism goes, hence the point Im making.
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." I dont see it ever working.
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Yes they are different but the further you go into socialism the closer you get to communism. Hilarys views are in that direction and opposite of mine, hence the idea of this post. I dont like where socialism goes, hence the point Im making.
Communism is the abolition of property, wealth and status in favor of making all things universal. Socialism is the more equitable sharing of these things. They are VERY different from each other.
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Yes they are different but the further you go into socialism the closer you get to communism. Hilarys views are in that direction and opposite of mine, hence the idea of this post. I dont like where socialism goes, hence the point Im making.
Communism is the abolition of property, wealth and status in favor of making all things universal. Socialism is the more equitable sharing of these things. They are VERY different from each other.
I dont see them so different.
"The goal of socialism is communism" -Viadimir Lenin.
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Please just stop.
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Yes they are different but the further you go into socialism the closer you get to communism. Hilarys views are in that direction and opposite of mine, hence the idea of this post. I dont like where socialism goes, hence the point Im making.
Communism is the abolition of property, wealth and status in favor of making all things universal. Socialism is the more equitable sharing of these things. They are VERY different from each other.
I dont see them so different.
"The goal of socialism is communism" -Viadimir Lenin.
Yes it is. How does this mean that they are equivalent?
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Yes they are different but the further you go into socialism the closer you get to communism. Hilarys views are in that direction and opposite of mine, hence the idea of this post. I dont like where socialism goes, hence the point Im making.
Communism is the abolition of property, wealth and status in favor of making all things universal. Socialism is the more equitable sharing of these things. They are VERY different from each other.
I dont see them so different.
"The goal of socialism is communism" -Viadimir Lenin.
Yes it is. How does this mean that they are equivalent?
I have been informed by multiple sources that you are a dumbass who excretes bullshit orally.
I have decided not to fuel your drivel.
I end with this.
you are a commie.
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I take your petty insults as an admission of the fact that you really don't know anything about communism.
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I take your petty insults as an admission of the fact that you really don't know anything about communism.
Oh shut the fuck up, Mao Zedong! Put on your box rimmed EMO glasses, your Che shirt, and shove a dildo up your ass while playing the hymn of the USSR.
The fact that understanding something before rejecting it is completely foreign to you speaks volumes.
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The fact that understanding something before rejecting it is completely foreign to you speaks volumes.
No, it doesn't.
There are millions of products for sale online, from Anglo-Saxon manuscripts to airplane parts, many of which I'm not familiar with and won't know what to do with. The fact that I don't want to buy them even though I don't understand them does not make me ignorant. The same applies to whatever government programs you want to buy with my money. No deal.
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The fact that understanding something before rejecting it is completely foreign to you speaks volumes.
No, it doesn't.
There are millions of products for sale online, from Anglo-Saxon manuscripts to airplane parts, many of which I'm not familiar with and won't know what to do with. The fact that I don't want to buy them even though I don't understand them does not make me ignorant. The same applies to whatever government programs you want to buy with my money. No deal.
Not buying something isn't rejecting it. Hating those plane parts like JKMP hates communism without understanding it is beyond ignorance, it is prejudice.
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The fact that understanding something before rejecting it is completely foreign to you speaks volumes.
No, it doesn't.
There are millions of products for sale online, from Anglo-Saxon manuscripts to airplane parts, many of which I'm not familiar with and won't know what to do with. The fact that I don't want to buy them even though I don't understand them does not make me ignorant. The same applies to whatever government programs you want to buy with my money. No deal.
Not buying something isn't rejecting it. Hating those plane parts like JKMP hates communism without understanding it is beyond ignorance, it is prejudice.
I never said I hated it, It is against the constitution and what I want to see my country become, I think it would lead to more coruption than we already have. I dont think socialist or communist programs or laws will take this country in the direction it needs to go.
youve repeatedly said Im misunderstanding communism. Fine, I dont think I am.
Explain your point. Prove me wrong... no, better yet. Educate me on how communism(or socialism your choice) will help put this country back on track.
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I never said I hated it, It is against the constitution and what I want to see my country become, I think it would lead to more coruption than we already have. I dont think socialist or communist programs or laws will take this country in the direction it needs to go.
Right, but you don't understand it so you have no basis on which to make that claim.
Explain your point. Prove me wrong... no, better yet. Educate me on how communism(or socialism your choice) will help put this country back on track.
I won't argue that point, but you misunderstand what communism is. I can't explain the entire system to you, you will have to study the works of Marx to grasp that concept. I can elucidate the difference between socialism and communism though-
Socialism is the equitable distribution of wealth via the government
Communism is the abolition of property, money, and social classes in order to allow men to self actualize (do all of the things that they see fit, be it painting, carving, making cars, etc) via free conscious production, and to act in concert to produce more than is possible in any other society, thus producing a utopia based on logic, reason, and brotherhood, without gods, countries, property or forced labor to create divisions between men.
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Not buying something isn't rejecting it. Hating those plane parts like JKMP hates communism without understanding it is beyond ignorance, it is prejudice.
I do hate communism for many reasons, not the least of which is what it did to three generations of my family. But I'm not saying I want to seek it out and destroy it wherever it may hide - quite to the contrary, I am highly critical of all efforts to do so, from even before Nam to Chavez in 2002. Communist regimes collapse a lot faster when they can't blame the CIA for their misery. And suppressing their free speech only gives idiots like yourself credibility.
Socialism is the equitable distribution of wealth via the government
In other words, armed robbery from the producers of wealth to the mob of your political supporters.
Communism is the abolition of property, money, and social classes in order to allow men to self actualize (do all of the things that they see fit, be it painting, carving, making cars, etc) via free conscious production, and to act in concert to produce more than is possible in any other society, thus producing a utopia based on logic, reason, and brotherhood, without gods, countries, property or forced labor to create divisions between men.
You can abolish your own property and money if that's what you want, reject whatever classes you see yourself having belonged to, and self-actualize until your balls glow in the dark, but don't expect me to pay your bills while you're doing so.
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Communism is the abolition of property, money, and social classes in order to allow men to self actualize (do all of the things that they see fit, be it painting, carving, making cars, etc) via free conscious production, and to act in concert to produce more than is possible in any other society, thus producing a utopia based on logic, reason, and brotherhood, without gods, countries, property or forced labor to create divisions between men.
and that will work like it dide in cambodia? or mabye russia? what about cuba?
I understand all that. I dont think its possible in our society or in any to maintain it. I think it goes against mans natural insticts. I dont think a "utopia" is possible outside fiction.
I think socialist (which lets say are closer to communist than we are now but they are not the same.) programs that try to bring everyone equal whatever (healthcare, income, whatever) put more government into power.
I see more government as a problem
I get it. You dont see it as that bad.
To be honest I thought you knew somthing I didnt... disapointed me man..
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You can abolish your own property and money if that's what you want, reject whatever classes you see yourself having belonged to, and self-actualize until your balls glow in the dark, but don't expect me to pay your bills while you're doing so.
I see the problem now. You can't separate learning about something from advocating something. That's a very unhealthy belief to hold.
I understand all that. I dont think its possible in our society or in any to maintain it. I think it goes against mans natural insticts. I dont think a "utopia" is possible outside fiction.
No, you don't understand all of that because you couldn't differentiate communism from socialism until I explained it to you. Even my rudimentary explanation leaves you in the dark about most of the theory and philosophy of communism. I just want you to better grasp the philosophy before you out and out reject it.
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I see the problem now. You can't separate learning about something from advocating something. That's a very unhealthy belief to hold.
you gonna nitpick or you gonna tell me if you think its good for our country?
If it will make the USA a utopia.
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I see the problem now. You can't separate learning about something from advocating something. That's a very unhealthy belief to hold.
You "learn" about something by mindlessly parroting its propaganda? Good thing you're not "learning" about ancient Mesopotamia, or you'd be trolling the NASA forums ranting about how the giant turtle on whose back the flat earth is rested will eat us if we don't pay homage to the high priest!
(Or something like that.)
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I see the problem now. You can't separate learning about something from advocating something. That's a very unhealthy belief to hold.
you gonna nitpick or you gonna tell me if you think its good for our country?
If it will make the USA a utopia.
As someone who has studied communism, I don't think it is tenable. Same goes for anarchocapitalism, in my opinion.
You "learn" about something by mindlessly parroting its propaganda? Good thing you're not "learning" about ancient Mesopotamia, or you'd be trolling the NASA forums ranting about how the giant turtle on whose back the flat earth is rested will eat us if we don't pay homage to the high priest!
God you missed the point by fucking a mile. Modern communism was defined by a single man, Marx. It was redefined multiple times by multiple men, but to understand communism you must understand Marx. You don't study communist theory by studying the effects of revisionist communism under Mao or Stalin for instance.
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Maybe I should also limit my study of history to the writings of Herodotus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herodotus)?
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you gonna nitpick or you gonna tell me if you think its good for our country?
If it will make the USA a utopia.
As someone who has studied communism, I don't think it is tenable. Same goes for anarchocapitalism, in my opinion.
my question is if you think communism or communist like legislature is good for the country.
if its not possible in your view to have your commie utopia than the question is do you think socialist(which is closer to communist ie. Lenin quote), legislature is good for our countrys current situation?
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Socialism is the equitable distribution of wealth via the government
No, socialism is the society (defined as the "state" in communism and "race" in nazism) owning the means of production.
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I think this falls under a "Feeding the troll" thread. That being said...this is awesome:
You can abolish your own property and money if that's what you want, reject whatever classes you see yourself having belonged to, and self-actualize until your balls glow in the dark, but don't expect me to pay your bills while you're doing so.
This is why I wish karma was still around.
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I think this falls under a "Feeding the troll" thread. That being said...this is awesome:
You can abolish your own property and money if that's what you want, reject whatever classes you see yourself having belonged to, and self-actualize until your balls glow in the dark, but don't expect me to pay your bills while you're doing so.
This is why I wish karma was still around.
I wanna stop but I cant...
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I think this falls under a "Feeding the troll" thread. That being said...this is awesome:
You can abolish your own property and money if that's what you want, reject whatever classes you see yourself having belonged to, and self-actualize until your balls glow in the dark, but don't expect me to pay your bills while you're doing so.
This is why I wish karma was still around.
God damn phant...
well said.
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Maybe I should also limit my study of history to the writings of Herodotus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herodotus)?
Terrible analogy. A more accurate description would be studying the Bible if you want to know about Christianity rather than going to a priest to hear his interpretation.
No, socialism is the society (defined as the "state" in communism and "race" in nazism) owning the means of production.
It can be defined many ways. Both of our definitions are accurate.
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does he win if he posts last?
that would mean I win now!
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Terrible analogy. A more accurate description would be studying the Bible if you want to know about Christianity rather than going to a priest to hear his interpretation.
So you're saying Communism is a closed system, Marx was divinely inspired and infallible in defining it, and all human attempts to follow in his teachings will fail because we're all born with the "original sin" of individual thought and self-interest?
:lol:
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The reason this bbs is so awesome is because there are so many people here that can see through the deceptive, obfuscating and misleading rhetoric of the bureaucrats and bring to light the fact that they are simply protecting and maintaining their positions:
I've settled into a political position where I'm fairly comfortable right now
Man, this 'being positive' stuff is hard in the face of the bureaucrat-mole and his brainwashing techniques! :?
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Socialism is the equitable distribution of wealth via the government
No, socialism is the society (defined as the "state" in communism and "race" in nazism) owning the means of production.
Socialism is the collective ownership of the means of production with the collective being the state.
Communism is the collective ownership of the means of production with the collective being the commune (the lowest ubiform level of administrative division at a village, town, or municipality level).
Governance is not the state. In anarchism there are no rulers but there are rules, there are no orders but there is order, there is no illegitimate authority but there is legitimate agency.
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Terrible analogy. A more accurate description would be studying the Bible if you want to know about Christianity rather than going to a priest to hear his interpretation.
So you're saying Communism is a closed system, Marx was divinely inspired and infallible in defining it, and all human attempts to follow in his teachings will fail because we're all born with the "original sin" of individual thought and self-interest?
:lol:
No, you tool, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that Marx's writings are the bible upon which all modern communism is based, and you can't understand the later iterations of communism if you don't understand that base.
The reason this bbs is so awesome is because there are so many people here that can see through the deceptive, obfuscating and misleading rhetoric of the bureaucrats and bring to light the fact that they are simply protecting and maintaining their positions:
I've settled into a political position where I'm fairly comfortable right now
Man, this 'being positive' stuff is hard in the face of the bureaucrat-mole and his brainwashing techniques! :?
Anything I can say you can misinterpret better.
Governance is not the state. In anarchism there are no rulers but there are rules, there are no orders but there is order, there is no illegitimate authority but there is legitimate agency.
An unrelated and ridiculous proposition. If anarchism meant "without illegitimate authority" any society, regardless of how oppressive or governmental, could be considered anarchistic so long as most people felt that it was a legitimate authority. Anarchism means without leaders, not "without governmental leaders" as you modern revisionist anarchists would change it to.
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No, you tool, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that Marx's writings are the bible upon which all modern communism is based, and you can't understand the later iterations of communism if you don't understand that base.
Speaking of the bible, I'm pretty sure that even Jesus (and a number of subsequent Christian thinkers) had a way bigger influence on modern communism than Marx did, even though ideas got unrecognizably twisted. But why is passing your Karl Marx 101 exam a prerequisite to arguing for individual freedom? Maybe I should come over and kick you repeatedly until you pass my Bruce Lee 101 exam?
And how in the world can YOU call ME a "tool", an instrument in the hands of others? You're the collectivist, remember. I'm an individualist. You are arguing that the political elite should control the majority of your wealth and tell you what's in your best interest. I am arguing for freedom. You got it perfectly backwards!
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Terrible analogy. A more accurate description would be studying the Bible if you want to know about Christianity rather than going to a priest to hear his interpretation.
So you're saying Communism is a closed system, Marx was divinely inspired and infallible in defining it, and all human attempts to follow in his teachings will fail because we're all born with the "original sin" of individual thought and self-interest?
:lol:
No, you tool, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that Marx's writings are the bible upon which all modern communism is based, and you can't understand the later iterations of communism if you don't understand that base.
The reason this bbs is so awesome is because there are so many people here that can see through the deceptive, obfuscating and misleading rhetoric of the bureaucrats and bring to light the fact that they are simply protecting and maintaining their positions:
I've settled into a political position where I'm fairly comfortable right now
Man, this 'being positive' stuff is hard in the face of the bureaucrat-mole and his brainwashing techniques! :?
Anything I can say you can misinterpret better.
Governance is not the state. In anarchism there are no rulers but there are rules, there are no orders but there is order, there is no illegitimate authority but there is legitimate agency.
An unrelated and ridiculous proposition. If anarchism meant "without illegitimate authority" any society, regardless of how oppressive or governmental, could be considered anarchistic so long as most people felt that it was a legitimate authority. Anarchism means without leaders, not "without governmental leaders" as you modern revisionist anarchists would change it to.
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GAZE INTO MY EYES! You WILL love the state! It is your answer! It is your SAVIOUR! You will believe.... You MUST believe!!!
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No, you tool, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that Marx's writings are the bible upon which all modern communism is based, and you can't understand the later iterations of communism if you don't understand that base.
Speaking of the bible, I'm pretty sure that even Jesus (and a number of subsequent Christian thinkers) had a way bigger influence on modern communism than Marx did, even though ideas got unrecognizably twisted. But why is passing your Karl Marx 101 exam a prerequisite to arguing for individual freedom? Maybe I should come over and kick you repeatedly until you pass my Bruce Lee 101 exam?
And how in the world can YOU call ME a "tool", an instrument in the hands of others? You're the collectivist, remember. I'm an individualist. You are arguing that the political elite should control the majority of your wealth and tell you what's in your best interest. I am arguing for freedom. You got it perfectly backwards!
Marx's influence on communism is unparalleled. You are arguing (knowingly or otherwise) that the economic elite should control the majority of people. You are indeed a tool.
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Nah, communism was better before Marx. And before St Benedict. And before Plato. And before the invention of fire. The more wealth a society has, the more damaging communism is.
And I'm pretty sure I'd be a part of that "economic elite". I'd be a king - on my own property that is. And so would the more capable 80% of the population, roughly speaking. There'd be lots of people wealthier than myself, of course, but they would have no real power over me the way the government does now. No one will rat me out to Bill Gates for not "paying my fair share" to him in taxes!
The most useless 20% -- people who can't seem to do anything of value or even get any more credit -- would be in the same position as they are now, only of course private charity would require them to be less annoying, at least any charity that I'd donate to. So, yes, my elite status over you would be in my ability to call your welfare bureaucrat and threaten to stop supporting their particular organization because of your behavior. Mindless trolling of forums - no soup for you! :lol:
And, before you whine, yes, I will assume you are on welfare until proven otherwise. People who are confident of their ability to contribute to society and pull their own weight don't spend that much time licking the asshole of the nanny state for its benefit! Deep down in your soul you must know that you're useless, that your survival must depend on mooching off others.
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It isn't a matter of better. You are evidently incapable of grasping this concept.
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Yes, your idea of a just society is the one where all people must have their eyes gouged out because one man is blind. That system of values is far beyond me...
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Yes, your idea of a just society is the one where all people must have their eyes gouged out because one man is blind. That system of values is far beyond me...
It is not "my system" as I am not a communist. Simply because I am trying to understand something doesn't mean I follow it. Perhaps this is why you are so hopelessly ignorant.
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Yes, I am completely ignorant of the communist political theory. It's not like I was born in the capital of the original communist superpower and had to learn it at school or anything... It's not like my father remained a diehard communist even after living in America for 14 years. I'm just your typical American kid mindlessly quoting the first political idea I came across to show this girl I like I'm all sophisticated and compassionate and stuff...
:lol:
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Yes, I am completely ignorant of the communist political theory. It's not like I was born in the capital of the original communist superpower and had to learn it at school or anything... It's not like my father remained a diehard communist even after living in America for 14 years. I'm just your typical American kid mindlessly quoting the first political idea I came across to show this girl I like I'm all sophisticated and compassionate and stuff...
:lol:
Stunning that you lived in socialism/communism and still don't understand it.
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Yes, I am completely ignorant of the communist political theory. It's not like I was born in the capital of the original communist superpower and had to learn it at school or anything... It's not like my father remained a diehard communist even after living in America for 14 years. I'm just your typical American kid mindlessly quoting the first political idea I came across to show this girl I like I'm all sophisticated and compassionate and stuff...
:lol:
Stunning that you lived in socialism/communism and still don't understand it.
Those who've lived there and managed to escape tend to be the ones who dislike that shit the most. Just look at countries like Estonia. Their tax rate is approaching their economic growth. Almost two decades ago, they had your precious communist/socialist regime.
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Stunning that you lived in socialism/communism and still don't understand it.
Yes, you're not driving on the wrong side of the road, everyone else is.
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Stunning that you lived in socialism/communism and still don't understand it.
Yes, you're not driving on the wrong side of the road, everyone else is.
Don't lump yourself in with "everyone else", that's far too kind. You're a very foolish and uneducated person on this topic, and you believe that anyone who has studied it is a hardcore Red.
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I've studied Esperanto, for example, and I've liked it, but I don't want to hold a gun to everyone's head and make them switch to it.
I've studied communist political theory, and I passionately hate it, and anyone who wants to put a gun to my head and make me switch to it will be resisted with extreme prejudice.
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I've studied Esperanto, for example, and I've liked it, but I don't want to hold a gun to everyone's head and make them switch to it.
No do I, but you can't recognize this fact.
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I've studied Esperanto, for example, and I've liked it, but I don't want to hold a gun to everyone's head and make them switch to it.
No do I, but you can't recognize this fact.
I think Eric is an idiot.
and I go further and say anyone who devotes themselves to Marx like Eric does is an idiot.
Marx is a dumbass.
commies suck balls and eric is a commie bastard.
eric, if you have any backbone reply to me.
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Freedom isn't free
It costs folks like you and me
And if we don't all chip in
We'll never pay that bill
Freedom isn't free
Now there's a hefty in' fee
And if you don't throw in your buck 'o five
Who will?
That song is talking about military intervention. Not taxation.